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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-2-2014

Pittsburgh Gazette Times, May 2, 1914:

Three Japanese entered the offices of the Pirates in the Farmers’ Bank Building yesterday and inquired of Assistant Secretary Sam Watters if it was the Japanese consul’s office.

“No, sir,” replied Watters. “This is the office of the Pittsburgh Baseball Club.”

“But, sir,” responded the spokesman, “on the roof of this building is the flag of our country, and when we asked below where the office of the flag was they sent us here.”

Then Sam tumbled. The flag this year has a big red figure of a baseball in the center with white all around it. From the street it is a duplicate of the Japanese flag. The matter was explained and the three Japs were guests of the management at yesterday’s game between the Pirates and Reds.

As a result, they changed the flag. The new flag had two horizontal stripes - black on top, yellow on the bottom.

You should have seen all the confused Austrians.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 08:01 AM | 52 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 08:03 AM (#4698698)
Cue up Yakity Sax. Today's Birthday outfield is going to be provide of the finest slapstick you've ever seen.

C: Jarrod Saltalamacchia
1B: John Leary
2B/Manager: Eddie Collins
3B: Ollie Beard
SS: Eddie Bressoud
LF: Gates Brown
CF: Felix Jose
RF: Keith Moreland

SP: Larry Cheney
SP: Clay Carroll
SP: Bill Piercy
SP: Erasmo Ramirez
SP: Luke Hudson
RP: Neftali Feliz

Owner: Bing Crosby
Dead Milkmen Devotee: Jim Walewander
Fun Names: Brick Smith, Skinny O'Neal
Fun Name, Minor League Division: Miles Head
   2. BDC Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:30 AM (#4698734)
Another "lineage": the last pitcher faced by Ted Williams (Jack Fisher), the last batter he faced, etc. Pitchers indented and a player's final year given,

Ted Williams 1960
   Jack Fisher 1969
Norm Miller 1974
   Jim Barr 1983
Rafael Landestoy 1984
   Joe Niekro 1988
Wade Boggs 1999
   Dave Burba 2004
Jay Payton 2010
   Fernando Salas ACTIVE 


How serendipitous that Ted Williams should get one to Wade Boggs. Both Joe Niekro and Boggs are players you'd expect to appear in a lot of lineages, and since they're themselves linked, the Burba-Payton-Salas lineage has a noble origin :)

I like serendipity, Even though he played till pretty recently, I haven't thought about Jay Payton in a while. A good-looking ballplayer and quite a good one for a while, very commendable career.
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4698745)
Curt Simmons aside, I was unimpressed with Ty Cobb's lineage...until I hit the fourth batter. Serendipity, indeed.

Ty Cobb 1928
   Hank Johnson 1939
Bennie Warren 1947
   Curt Simmons 1967
Dick Tracewski 1969
   Eddie Watt 1975
Pete Rose 1986
   Rich Gossage 1994
Jose Canseco 2001
   Eddie Guardado 2009
Robb Quinlan 2010
   Andrew Cashner 
   4. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4698746)
Looking at the 2014 leaderboards, I see the top three in Batting Average all play for the White Sox--Tyler Flowers, Alexei Ramirez, and Dayan Viciedo.

Obviously, this won't continue all year, but it did make me wonder--has any team ever had the top three hitters in the league? I remember the Boston Red Sox were close in ~2002 or so, when Bill Mueller and Manny Ramirez finished #1-#2, but #1-#2-#3--has any team ever dominated to that level?
   5. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4698752)
So, last night, listening to the Twins game, I learned that Joe Mauer has exactly one walk-off hit in his career. I assumed at first the announcers were mistaken, but looked it up on the BB-Ref Play Index and, much to my surprise, they were correct--it happened in this game.

I then did some more digging, where I discovered that Tony Gwynn is NOT the San Diego Padres all-time leader in walk-off hits. Anyone want to guess who is? (Loungers, stay out!)
   6. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4698755)
Wild guess based on length of time with the franchise: Phil Nevin.
   7. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4698760)
Nate Colbert is generally the go-to guy in Padres trivia questions, but since Padres victories were rather scarce in the Nate Colbert era, that's probably not the answer.


Completely random guess - Garry Templeton.

By the way, Gwynn's absence probably isn't that shocking, if only because most situations where Tony is up with the winning run in scoring position are ones that beg for a Tony Gwynn intentional walk (or at least UIBB).

   8. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4698787)
7--Yep, and that also explains why Joe Mauer only has one, too. It was just a little surprising when I heard it--I mean, gun to head, I'd have told you Joe Mauer had about a dozen walk-off hits, ya know? He's been on the team for ten years!
   9. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4698788)
No to Nevin and Templeton.
   10. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4698792)
Let's see, who was a Padre for a long time, and would never be intentionally walked. Benito Santiago?
   11. Rob_Wood Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4698797)
Enzo Hernandez
   12. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4698801)
Haha. Poor Enzo!

(He is not correct, since, as he never had any RBI, he never had any walk-off hits either.)
   13. John Northey Posted: May 02, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4698830)
Jays in 1993 had the top 3 batting average guys in Olerud, Molitor and Alomar.
   14. mathesond Posted: May 02, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4698832)
Dang, John beat me to it. Of course, after reading his work at battersbox for the past few years, I'm not surprised he was the first to come up with the '93 Jays
   15. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4698833)
Damn--thanks, John!
   16. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: May 02, 2014 at 11:41 AM (#4698843)
Jays in 1993 had the top 3 batting average guys in Olerud, Molitor and Alomar.


Notable for sparking a mini-controversy in the World Series when Cito sat .363-hitting Olerud for game 3 when they went to Philly and lost the DH. It turned it okay, as Molitor played first and went 3-4 with a triple and homer.
   17. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 02, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4698873)
This is the first I've heard of the "lineage" thing, so pardon me if this is already known, but if you start with Babe Ruth, and you follow one part of his lineage*, you end up wit...Mike Trout:

Babe Ruth 1935
   Jim Bivin 1935
Johnny McCarthy 1948
   Vern Bickford 1954
Chico Carrasquel 1959
   Jerry Casale 1962
Bobby Del Greco 1965
   Warren Spahn 1965


From here, you have to do a small jump, as the last batter Warren Spahn faced was Sammy Ellis...a pitcher. His last matchup was as a pitcher, not a hitter, so I went with that instead:

   *Sammy Ellis 1969 (as a pitcher)
Bobby Murcer 1983
   Bob Gibson 1987
Ken Caminiti 2001 (NLDS)
   Octavio Dotel 2013
Mike Trout (active)


If you follow it from Sammy Ellis (the batter), it's Curtis Granderson:

*Sammy Ellis 1969 (as a batter)
   Jim Hannan 1971
Ken Berry 1975
   Jim Todd 1979
Darrell Porter 1987
   Jerry Reed 1990
Dick Schofield 1996
   Bobby Witt 2001 (World Series)
Shane Spencer 2004
   Chad Cordero 2010
Colin Curtis 2010
   Andy Sonnanstine 2011
Curtis Granderson (active)
   18. esseff Posted: May 02, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4698886)
Jays in 1993 had the top 3 batting average guys in Olerud, Molitor and Alomar.


The only other team to do it was the '93 Phillies. The 1893 Phillies. Billy Hamilton I, Sam Thompson, Ed Delahanty.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: May 02, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4698902)
The Rockies came close in aught-uno with Walker and Helton 1-2 and Pierre not far from 3rd.
   20. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4698905)
it's not batting average but in 1982 the brewers had the top 3 guys in hits. yount, cooper and molitor

for those not aware county stadium was a pitchers park back in the day. yet the brewers as a team scored 892 runs

and this with getting almost nothing from right field and a left handed side of a dh platoon that was equally bad.

but they hit homers, didn't strike out and didn't hit into double plays. it was one of the more curious offensive collections one could imagine. the team had contact power hitters in yount, cooper and oglivie. they avoided dps because almost everyone else hit the ball in the air. they were also last in the league in getting hit by pitches which for a team that led the league in homers is kind of curious.

and there form of team building was to be slobs.
   21. JustDan Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4698909)
I never heard of the lineage either. I wonder if there are any dead ends, ie, a batter-pitcher matchup was the last appearance for both players.
   22. DA Baracus Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4698912)
The Braves gave Chris Johnson a three year extension with a 4th year option, no word on if his BABIP was also signed.
   23. BDC Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4698913)
Interesting, RTG. When I did Ruth I missed that Witt's last BF was in the World Series, so went down a different path that reached Grant Balfour.
   24. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4698915)
Wrt to this lineage stuff: how many instances can people of find a line that terminates on both ends - where it was the first/last appearance for both pitcher and batter? Most of these would be guys who only played the one game, I'd think.
EDIT: Coke to JustDan.
   25. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4698916)
22--What about his grit?
   26. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4698918)

and there form of team building was to be slobs.


Dirtiest team ever, best exemplified by Mike Caldwell and that disgusting hat.

It may not have been the most exciting 7-gamer, but the teams themselves were about as interesting a WS pair as I've seen.

   27. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4698924)
Wrt to this lineage stuff: how many instances can people of find a line that terminates on both ends - where it was the first/last appearance for both pitcher and batter? Most of these would be guys who only played the one game, I'd think.


That's what I said yesterday. Apparently Jesse Orosco and Warren Morris came close, but a double dead-ender seems like it would feature at least one late-season call-up who never sniffed the big leagues again.

   28. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4698927)
Sorry, missed that SoSH.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4698930)
26

most folks point to vukovich as the most foul.

and caldwell's hat was filthy due to the substance of choice needed to generate this spitball
   30. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4698936)
The San Diego Padres all-time leader in walk-off base hits is....

Kurt Bevacqua!

(Well, he's actually tied for first with Bip Roberts, but I'm giving the nod to Bevacqua, for obvious reasons.)
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4698937)
most folks point to vukovich as the most foul.


For the total package, he probably was. Hiring him on to play the villainous Yankee slugger in Major League was spot-on casting.

That Brew Crew was delightfully gross.
   32. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4698943)
(Well, he's actually tied for first with Bip Roberts, but I'm giving the nod to Bevacqua, for obvious reasons.)


Now, bubblegum blowing champion Kurt is going to win tiebreakers with most former Padres, but that's a pretty damn close call with Bip. He's called Bip for crying out loud. He had a baseball card that looked like this.
   33. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4698956)
Pete Vuckovich supposedly puked on the mound once.
   34. JJ1986 Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4698959)
Signs that you think too much about baseball stats:

I had a dream last night that I looked up the stats from Quilvio Veras's last season and thought that they were perfectly decent (he hit .252/.330/.357), then realized that they were only decent by 2014 standards and then translated them from 2001 to 2014 which made them look much worse.
   35. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4698970)
I loved Bip.
   36. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4698977)
Even if you told me the guy's name was "Kurt" I probably would have guessed Kurt Stillwell.

Apparently he was only on the Padres for a year and a half.
   37. TerpNats Posted: May 02, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4698985)
So, last night, listening to the Twins game, I learned that Joe Mauer has exactly one walk-off hit in his career. I assumed at first the announcers were mistaken, but looked it up on the BB-Ref Play Index and, much to my surprise, they were correct
Ryan Zimmerman has nine walk-off home runs for the Nats -- believe it or not, nine more than Frank Howard hit in his entire seven-year career with the Senators. (Howard may have done it with other teams, and I can guess that if Hondo represented the Senators' potential winning run, opposing managers probably walked him.)
   38. DA Baracus Posted: May 02, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4698992)
22--What about his grit?


It was traded to Arizona for future considerations.
   39. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 02, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4699002)
Wait a minute, Bip Roberts is 50???

When we were in KC, my wife loved Bip. I don't think it was so much his baseball prowess but that there was a Major Leaguer who went by the moniker of "Bip".
   40. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4699034)
Eddie Collins:

Eddie Collins 1930
   Danny MacFayden 1943
Howie Schultz 1948
   Tiny Bonham 1949
Richie Ashburn 1962
   Bob Buhl 1967
Hank Aaron 1976
   Dave A
Roberts 1981
Davey Lopes 1987
   Tom Browning 1995
Terry Steinbach 1999
   James Baldwin 2005
Bernie Williams 2006
   Scott Downs 


Thing I learned while doing this: Richie Ashburn's final game was as a second baseman for the '62 Mets. So that's sort of a great second baseman who played in Philadelphia.
   41. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 02, 2014 at 03:22 PM (#4699077)
#40
You have a slight mistake at the end of the Eddie Collins lineage.

Bernie Williams played in the playoffs that year, and the last pitcher he faced was Kenny Rogers.

So it should end like:
Bernie Williams 2006 (ALDS)
   Kenny Rogers 2008
Ken Girffey Jr. 2010
   Jon Rauch 2013
Cody Ross (active)


I found this out because the Eddie Collins lineage and the Babe Ruth (as a pitcher) lineage meet up on Hank Aaron.
(only if you split off on Red Ruffing as a pitcher instead of as a hitter (which he was the last one that Gordon Rhodes faced)):

   Babe Ruth 1933 (as a pitcher) (a complete game win against, yes, the Boston Red Sox)
George Stumpf 1936
   Gordon Rhodes 1936
*Red Ruffing 1947 (as a batter)
   Fritz Dorish 1956
Andy Carey  1962 
   Billy O'Dell 1967
Leo Cardenas 1975
   Bob McClure 1993
Lenny Dykstra 1996
   Pedro Astacio 2006
Shane Victorino (active)


If you split off at Red Ruffing and record his last appearance in the majors as a pitcher instead of as a hitter:

   *Red Ruffing 1947 (as a pitcher)
Sam Mele 1956 
   Tommy Byrne 1957 (World Series)
Hank Aaron 1976
   Dave Roberts 1981
Davey Lopes 1987 
   Tom Browning 1995
Terry Steinbach 1999
   James Baldwin 2005
Bernie Williams 2006 (ALDS)
   Kenny Rogers 2008
Ken Girffey Jr. 2010
   Jon Rauch 2013
Cody Ross (active)

   42. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 02, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4699085)
Thanks, RTG!
   43. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 02, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4699095)
#42, it makes the Eddie Collins list look amazing:
Eddie Collins
Richie Ashburn
Hank Aaron
Ken Griffey Jr.
   44. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 02, 2014 at 04:13 PM (#4699123)
Wrt to this lineage stuff: how many instances can people of find a line that terminates on both ends - where it was the first/last appearance for both pitcher and batter? Most of these would be guys who only played the one game, I'd think.


It almost happened in the famous Bill Bevens near no-hitter in the 1947 World Series. Neither Bevens nor Cookie Lavagetto played in the regular season again, but they both appeared again in the World Series.
   45. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 02, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4699203)
The Game of May 1, 1984 was all about weird stuff from pitchers. It was started by two pitchers who were relievers almost all season (which branches off into a brief discussion of decimals that repeat in three-digit periods), and the win was earned by a soon-to-be starter pitching in relief. That win was the second of the starter's career, and the subsequent save was the last of that reliever's career. And the other team had no pitching appearances that were either short or long.

Also, some hitters were involved, I think.
   46. esseff Posted: May 02, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4699224)
I mentioned Bevens-Lavagetto in yesterday's discussion. Another similar near double-ender: Enos Slaughter made his final trip to the plate in the second game of the 1959 Braves-Dodgers pennant playoff against a pitcher named Chuck Churn, whose remaining career consisted of one more inning in that game and a disastrous two-thirds of an inning in the ensuing World Series.
   47. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 02, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4699275)
In yesterday's Game of the Day, which was the best of three excellent Game 2's of doubleheaders, both teams used a starter who was apparently called up for doubleheader duty, which went about as well as you'd expect except for the lack of runs allowed. The game was eventually decided by a player who spent most of his career playing for the now-opposing team, and has apparently made a successful transition from "nemesis when on the team" to "nemesis when playing against the team."
   48. puck Posted: May 02, 2014 at 08:53 PM (#4699295)
He's called Bip for crying out loud. He had a baseball card that looked like this.


Plus, he had this cool ad about his baseball card.
   49. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:02 PM (#4699303)

Plus, he had this cool ad about his baseball card.


I'd never seen that. Just one more reason to love Bip.
   50. Walt Davis Posted: May 02, 2014 at 09:57 PM (#4699339)
Did we get an answer on the Twins? Mauer probably not the best guess (though I'd have guessed more than one) if only because historically they've had a lot of long-serving players. Killer had nearly 9500 PA -- not a great BA and a guy you might walk but that's a lot of PA to make up ground. Puckett's at 7800 (an obvious candidate) and Hrbek at 7100. Oliva (another good candidate) and Carew (same) were nearly 7000. Being a C also hurts Mauer's PAs and he's only around 5200. Add in the mostly lousy teams he's been on ... not a lot of opportunities.

But just one? Sheesh. Dave Owen had at least that many walk-off hits.
   51. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:14 PM (#4699344)
50--

Twins walk-off hit leaders:

Kirby Puckett 11
Kent Hrbek 10
Harmon Killebrew 9
Tom Brunansky 9
Rod Carew 8
Jacque Jones 8
Larry Hisle 8
Justin Morneau 7
Tony Oliva 7
George Mitterwald 7
   52. Davo Dozier Posted: May 02, 2014 at 10:27 PM (#4699352)
Also, #50, I have to defend my hometown team!

Joe Mauer has played in 1,204 games for the Twins in his career, and has has won 606 of them--606 wins, 598 losses.

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