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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-22-2014

Seattle Star, May 22, 1914:

Texas university owns a baseball player to whom a “sensational one-hand catch” is a daily occurrence. To go further still, he has never been known to use two hands in catching a fly, and he works in the outfield, too.

The reason is he is a one-handed player, and he’s the star of the club at that. His name is Dick Hooper, his home is at Conroe, Tex., and he always plays center field for his team.

Hooper, who handles himself surprisingly well in the garden, is a wonder. He is a fair batter also. In spite of his empty sleeve, he has a batting average of .282 for 25 games this season.

The article goes on to discuss Hooper’s technique for catching a ball in his glove, then throwing it back to the infield.

It’s tough to tell if he ever played pro ball. Someone named Hooper played in the Interstate League in 1916, but it’s clearly not our man because this guy was a catcher. There was a Hooper in the 1917 Blue Ridge League, but BB-Ref doesn’t list a position and it’s entirely possible (probable?) that’s the same guy as the 1916 Hooper.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4711387)
Despite the presence of Bucketfoot Al, the Birthday Team's going to need a Herculean effort from Hriniak and a bunch of blown home run calls from Garcia if it's going to make much of an impact.

C: Al Shaw
1B: Hooks Cotter
2B: Eric Sogard
3B: Chad Tracy
SS: Jose Valdivielso
LF: Mark Brouhard
CF: Al Simmons
RF: Ed Morgan

SP: Tommy John
SP: Jim Colborn
SP: Julian Tavarez
SP: Bill Lohrman
SP: Pinky Woods
RP: Jose Mesa

Umpire: Rich Garcia
Hitting Coach: Walt Hriniak
Designated Dutchman: Rick van den Hurk
   2. BDC Posted: May 22, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4711393)
Milestone Watch: with two hits yesterday, Adrian Beltre ties Lloyd Waner for 107th, career, with 2,549. That is the less impressive Waner to pass on a leaderboard, naturally, but you have to pass him on your way to Paul :)

Meanwhile, my Twitter feed informed me that Jimmy Rollins had tied Richie Ashburn for second on the Phillies' career hits leaderboard with 2,217. It took me a few minutes to realize who must be first (Mike Schmidt), but Rollins will pass Schmidt soon enough, because he retired with 2,234.
   3. Batman Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4711411)
Beltre passed the birthday team's centerfielder for 110th in plate appearances yesterday. The next two were almost teammates of his in LA. Number 109 is a player whose first year with the Dodgers was the year after Beltre's last one there and number 108 is a player whose last year with LA was the year before Beltre's first.
   4. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4711414)
The Royals have demoted their leading home run hitter to AAA.
   5. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4711419)
That really needed to happen. Who's the third baseman now? Valencia? He's not all that good, but at least he's not an automatic out.
   6. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4711423)
Mike Trout is on pace to hit .270 with 202 strikeouts and 18 steals this year. I know it’s early, but that still makes me want to vomit. Why can't we have nice things???
   7. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: May 22, 2014 at 11:47 AM (#4711425)
#5--Yeah. They replaced him on the 25-man with Jimmy Paredes, so I imagine he and Valencia will split time there.
   8. Astroenteritis Posted: May 22, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4711509)
They replaced him on the 25-man with Jimmy Paredes


This is where the tired joke about, "players the Astros couldn't use," goes, but I always like Paredes, and there are actually quite a few ex-Astros on MLB rosters.
Saw J.D. Martinez hit a game-tying homer recently.
   9. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 22, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4711713)
The Game of May 21, 1984 was not exactly a great game, but it was arguably the best offensive performance in the career of a Hall of Famer who participated, and it had some other weird stuff (a couple of long relief appearances, including what I think is the second-longest save you can get without the assistance of an official scorer's judgment call, and an unusual sequence involving triples).
   10. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 22, 2014 at 05:05 PM (#4711717)
Question for the Dugout: In preparation for tomorrow's 1984 Game of the Day post, I have been looking for any list available of the all time leaders in reaching on catcher's interference. It does not appear to be on B-R or Retrosheet, at least not that I'm able to easily locate. Can anyone recommend a source?
   11. bunyon Posted: May 22, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4711723)
I played against a one-armed guy in high school. It was a small school but he was still clearly their best player. They had a really good basketball team but several of the good basketballers didn't play baseball (they'd have been much better if they had). Anyway, Chris was really good. He pitched and played CF. He hit really well. No power, obviously, but incredible skill at making contact. If you pulled the OF in far enough to catch the looping liners he often hit over the infield, he was liable to gap you and get a double. He had a great arm (ha!) and good control.

All that is to say, it was incredible playing against him. The first time we all had a laugh at the poor guy trying to play and then he struck you out. Or doubled off you. And was a really nice guy doing it. I've always wondered what he could have done with a full set of arms. Their basketball team probably would have won state. He was 6'5" and really athletic. Obviously, not a basketball player, though.

People are, sometimes, awesome.
   12. esseff Posted: May 22, 2014 at 05:38 PM (#4711731)

Question for the Dugout: In preparation for tomorrow's 1984 Game of the Day post, I have been looking for any list available of the all time leaders in reaching on catcher's interference. It does not appear to be on B-R or Retrosheet, at least not that I'm able to easily locate. Can anyone recommend a source?


According to this six-year-old article, Pete Rose is the all-time leader with 29, though the data was available only for the seasons from 1956-2007.
   13. AndrewJ Posted: May 22, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4711756)
my Twitter feed informed me that Jimmy Rollins had tied Richie Ashburn for second on the Phillies' career hits leaderboard with 2,217. It took me a few minutes to realize who must be first (Mike Schmidt), but Rollins will pass Schmidt soon enough, because he retired with 2,234.

IMHO Rollins is no Hall of Famer, but he's going to own several of the Phillies all-time career records before he's done.
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 22, 2014 at 07:04 PM (#4711792)
According to this six-year-old article, Pete Rose is the all-time leader with 29, though the data was available only for the seasons from 1956-2007.

Thanks! That means the player I'm looking at didn't come especially close to the record, but did get over halfway there in far less playing time than Rose had.

The Game of May 21, 2014 was pretty much absolutely nuts, featuring a Cy Young winner who got knocked around but stayed in forever, an entire bullpen being emptied (not for a fight), and multiple comebacks of multiple runs, one of which came at the last moment. Then there was the come-from-behind win in extras, which solidified the game in its position as #2 so far this year.

And that's WITHOUT any extra credit for one of the most brilliantly ridiculous endings possible.
   15. bobm Posted: May 22, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4711794)
Per BR PI event finder:

All of MLB: 1174 [Reached on Catcher] Interferences in 1938-2014
12 leading off game, 1 game-ending, 8 go ahead, 1 tying, 1 walk-off
(50 plays are missing play-by-play details)


553 Batters
Pete Rose 29
Dale Berra 18
Julian Javier 18
Roberto Kelly 17
Andy Van Slyke 17
Bob Stinson 16
Carl Crawford 14
Darin Erstad 13
Ryan Ludwick 13
Hector Torres 12


826 Pitchers
[Name missing] 50
Phil Niekro 13
Chris Short 6
Nolan Ryan 6
Bob Hendley 5
Bob Forsch 5
Eric Show 5
Wayne Twitchell 5
Greg Minton 4
Kevin Gross 4
   16. bobm Posted: May 22, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4711803)
http://baseballhistorydaily.com/2012/08/06/before-pete-gray-2/

While neither played pro ball, two other players with arm made headlines playing college baseball between 1910 and 1920. Outfielders Dick Hooper of Texas and Eddie Ash of Wabash were both highly touted players, but neither made the jump to pro ball. [... Comment: ...] William Newton “Dick” Hooper, one-armed outfielder with the University of Texas and Baylor University, actually did play professionally – although very briefly. He was signed by the Lufkin franchise of the Class D East Texas League in 1916. He mostly coached on the bases, but he did appear in several league games as a pinchrunner. The ETL in 1916 lasted only about a month before folding. No stats were submitted.


http://www.mocavo.com/University-of-Texas-1916-Austin-Tx/537337/96

Yearbook page with photo:
WILLIAM NEWTON HOOPER. LL.B.
Conroe
Baseball '14-15, Captain ‘16.
Dick—We honestly didn’t know that Dick's real
name was William Newton. William Newton is a
pretty name, but it would be an awful big mouthful to
holler out every time Dick came to bat. and then, too,
it doesn't sound natural Dick Hooper is Dick Hooper
and William Newton Hooper is some stranger who never
came to Varsity at all.

   17. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: May 22, 2014 at 09:12 PM (#4711850)
Great stuff, bobm, thanks.
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: May 23, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4711912)
553 Batters
Pete Rose 29
Dale Berra 18
Julian Javier 18
Roberto Kelly 17
Andy Van Slyke 17
Bob Stinson 16
Carl Crawford 14
Darin Erstad 13
Ryan Ludwick 13
Hector Torres 12


1. Thanks!
2. I never thought I would see a top 10 list that not only includes Dale Berra, but which has multiple MORE obscure players. Bob Stinson?! Hector Torres?!
   19. Hank G. Posted: May 23, 2014 at 12:35 AM (#4711918)
I've always wondered what he could have done with a full set of arms. Their basketball team probably would have won state. He was 6'5" and really athletic. Obviously, not a basketball player, though.


Why obviously?
   20. Walt Davis Posted: May 23, 2014 at 01:46 AM (#4711936)
Class D East Texas League

For those not familiar with minor-league history, this is the sort of thing to keep in mind. There used to be bajillions of leagues. Peak number of teams was around 425 just after WW2 if I remember right.

Note, that was a league for just East Texas. At the same time (1912 at least) you had the Illinois-Iowa-Indiana League, the Illinois-Wisconsin League, the Illinois-Missouri League, the Kentucky-Illinois-Tennessee League ... and the Iowa State League, Missouri-Iowa-Nebraska-Kansas (MINK) League, and the Iowa League of Pro Baseball Clubs. How about the Northern State of Indiana League and the Central Kansas League.

If you didn't look like a dork in a baseball cap and lived somewhere with a population density above 1 person per 100,000 sq. miles you were playing minor-league ball.
   21. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2014 at 02:36 AM (#4711940)
The Game of May 21, 1984 was not exactly a great game, but it was arguably the best offensive performance in the career of a Hall of Famer who participated, and it had some other weird stuff (a couple of long relief appearances, including what I think is the second-longest save you can get without the assistance of an official scorer's judgment call, and an unusual sequence involving triples).


In the article you say that "On the pitching side, DiPino was especially impressive, as he threw 3.2 innings (2 hits, 1 walk, 7 K's), thereby recording what I believe is the second-longest save you can have (anything longer than 4 innings and the starter didn't last 5, so you probably get the win)."

That's not true; if the starting pitcher leaves early (gets knocked out, ejected, etc.), and the first relief pitcher comes in while the game is tied or his team is behind, and his team takes the lead while he is pitching, he becomes the pitcher of record, and can get the win if the lead is not lost, no matter how many innings he (or another reliever) pitches.

In this game Carl Mays started, and gave up four runs in the bottom of the first. He was pinch hit for in the top of the second, and King Bader came in in the bottom of the second, with the score 4-4. He became pitcher of record. Bader pitched two innings, giving up two runs. Bader was pinch hit for in the top of the fourth, when the Red Sox scored two runs to break a 6-6 tie, and took a lead they wouldn't relinquish. Bader was credited as being in the game when the runs were scored, and so left with an 8-6 lead, according to the scoring rules. Ernie Shore then came in, and threw six innings to finish the game, allowing just one run. Bader got the win, and Shore was (retroactively) credited with a six-inning save. I don't know if it's the longest save, but it's up there.
   22. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2014 at 02:38 AM (#4711941)
Damn, now it won't let me edit. Here's the Ernie Shore six-inning save.

It would be possible to get an eight-inning save:

Starting pitcher pitches top of first, gets injured with two out and no runs scored. Relief pitcher comes in, gets third out without allowing run. His team scores one run in bottom of first, making reliever pitcher of record. Reliever gets hurt warming up for second inning, leaves game. Second reliever comes in, throws eight shutout innings, team wins 1-0. First reliever throws 1/3 of an inning, gets win; second reliever throws eight innings, gets save.
   23. bobm Posted: May 23, 2014 at 06:16 AM (#4711943)
From 1914 to 2014, Recorded Save, sorted by greatest IP

                                                                      
Rk            Player          Date  Tm Opp   Rslt  IP  H R ER BB SO HR
1          Dick Hall 1961-06-18(2) BAL CLE W  8-5 8.0  2 0  0  0  6  0
2         Guy Morton    1920-09-01 CLE WSH W  9-5 8.0  5 2  1  3  4  0
3           Jim Shaw    1920-05-18 WSH SLB W 17-8 8.0 16 5  5  0  2  0
4        Bill Snyder    1920-05-03 WSH PHA W 11-6 7.1  5 1  0  0  3  0
5     Joaquin Benoit    2002-09-03 TEX BAL W  7-1 7.0  1 1  1  0  4  0
6         Bill Zuber    1942-04-23 WSH BOS W 10-5 7.0 12 5  4  4  3  0
7     Claude Passeau 1939-09-15(2) CHC PHI W  6-1 7.0  2 0  0  0  1  0
8         Jim Weaver    1938-08-24 CIN PHI W  3-1 7.0  5 1  1  2  4  0
9      Roy Wilkinson    1922-04-28 CHW DET W  9-6 7.0  9 4  4  5  2  0
10    Stan Coveleski    1922-04-13 CLE DET W  8-3 7.0  8 2  2  3  2  0
11      Doug McWeeny    1921-10-02 CHW CLE W  7-4 7.0  5 1  1  1  8  1
12   George Mogridge    1920-08-06 NYY DET W 11-7 7.0  8 3  3  3  4  0
13        Dolf Luque    1920-05-25 CIN BSN W 11-2 7.0  4 2  2  1  3  0
14         Red Faber    1918-05-06 CHW CLE W  6-4 7.0  6 2  1  2  5  0
15      Rube Schauer    1917-07-12 PHA SLB W  5-2 7.0  4 1  1  2  3  0
16       Eddie Plank    1915-10-03 SLM KCP W  6-2 7.0  5 0  0  1  0  0
17         Carl Mays 1915-07-06(2) BOS WSH W  4-1 7.0  5 0  0  0  2  0
18         Pug Cavet    1914-08-16 DET CLE W 13-6 7.0  4 1  1  3  2  0
19    Weldon Wyckoff    1914-07-23 PHA CLE W  9-2 7.0  9 2  2  2  1  0


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 5/23/2014.
   24. bobm Posted: May 23, 2014 at 06:25 AM (#4711944)
The play-by-play of the 1961 8 IP SV is interesting.

        1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
        - - - - - - - - - - - - 
Orioles 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 7 1 
Indians 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 7 0


http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE196106182.shtml
   25. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: May 23, 2014 at 07:17 AM (#4711950)
I imagine that most are pretty interesting. An 8 inning save in a 17-8 game?
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4712339)
I imagine that most are pretty interesting. An 8 inning save in a 17-8 game?


Shaw would have received the win, not a save, under todays scoring rules. Al Schacht pitched the first, and gave up three runs. He was pinch hit for in the bottom of the first, when the White Sox scored five to take a lead they never relinquished. Shaw then came in in the second, and pitched eight innings (giving up 16 hits and five runs). The rule that a starting pitcher had to go five innings in a nine-inning game to get a win was not introduced until 1950, so the scorer of the time was perfectly within his rights to credit Schacht with the win, but today it would have gone to Shaw.

25 runs, 41 hits, 7 walks, 8 errors, game time 2:12.

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