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Tuesday, June 10, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-10-2014

Washington Times, June 10, 1914:

By getting a safety in the game which Philadelphia won from Pittsburgh by 3 to 1, John Henry Wagner, the grand old man of baseball, registered his 3,000th base hit as a major league player. Wagner’s 3,000th bingle was for two bases, and it came in the ninth inning, and resulted in a run for the Pirates.
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The [Philadelphia] crowd cheered with as much honest vim and delight as if the hit had been a homer made by Cravath, Luderus, or Magee, of the home club. And Wagner was as happy as a boy with a new toy.

Please don’t build a time machine, go back in time, and ruin the moment for those folks, but Retrosheet and BB-Ref show June 28 as the date Honus got his 3,000th hit.

And Wagner’s middle name was Peter. So there.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:18 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:26 AM (#4722350)
Cromulent pitching staff on today's Birthday Team, though it would be much better if they had the right Randy Johnson.

C: Johnny Edwards
1B: Carlos Rivera
2B: The Other Randy Johnson
3B: Jap Barbeau
SS: Pokey Reese
LF: Frank Demaree
CF: Mike Kreevich
RF: Ken Singleton

SP: Floyd Bannister
SP: Danny MacFayden
SP: Francisco Barrios
SP: Garland Braxton
SP: Rick Camp
RP: Elias Sosa

General Manager: Gerry Hunsicker
Fourth Outfielder/Play-By-Play: Jack Graney
A Real Person: Al Alburquerque
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4722351)
And Wagner’s middle name was Peter. So there.


Makes you wonder if the reporter was familiar with John Henry Lloyd.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 10, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4722358)
It would also be better if they had the right P. Reese playing shortstop.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 10, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4722436)
Well, with Alburquerque on your team, you're bound to take at least a couple wrong turns.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: June 10, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4722457)
Tony Cingrani started his career with 22 consecutive starts in which he allowed 5 or fewer hits, which was a rare feat. He has followed this up with 7 consecutive starts of allowing 6 or more hits.
   6. Ziggy: The Platonic Form of Russell Branyan Posted: June 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM (#4722519)
Any idea what's in Joc Pederson's future? He's hitting well in AAA (it is the PCL, but even so, 327/437/615 is a good line), but he is so wildly blocked in LA. They already have $42M worth of left fielders (neither of whom are playing well, but you can't sit forty two million dollars on the bench), Ethier is playing well, and Puig is hitting baseballs like it's going out of style. Is he trade bait? Are they going to swallow a lot of the money due to Kemp/Crawford or Gonzalez and move one or more of them? Or is he just going to spend a really long time in AAA?
   7. JJ1986 Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4722595)
There's a scheduled day game today. That seems incredibly rare for a Tuesday.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4722597)
I think the Dodgers will end up trading Ethier because he's the only one who teams would want. They'll platoon Pederson/Kemp in center and Crawford/Van Slyke in left when everyone is healthy.
   9. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 10, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4722606)
I think the Dodgers will end up trading Ethier because he's the only one who teams would want.

You don't think anyone would want Puig? :)
   10. dr. scott Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4722614)
You don't think anyone would want Puig? :)


Far too much trouble... but maybe if they threw in Either too, teams may be willing to consider.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4722627)
Please don’t build a time machine, go back in time, and ruin the moment for those folks,


Especially as it's the last documented incident of a Philadelphia crowd cheering with honest vim and delight for anyone doing anything.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4722653)
Wow, RIP Bob Welch, dead at 57.
   13. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: June 10, 2014 at 02:57 PM (#4722673)
Bingle? Never heard that one before.
   14. Betts, Bogaerts, and D Price(GGC) Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4722734)
Bingle was common in old timey baseball but is a pretty archaic term.

The language in those old stories is something else. They still believed that Jupiter Pluvius was responsible for rain.
   15. Astroenteritis Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:27 PM (#4722771)
Sad news about Welch. Have a lot of memories of watching him pitch. Condolences to family, friends, fans. Always sobering when someone about my age dies suddenly.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 10, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4722798)
The Game of 6/9/84 was a good one, featuring starters who got off to similar starts but had appearances differing in length by over 6 innings. More interestingly, it featured a complete freak of a walkoff play - to such an extent that it would not surprise me to learn that there hasn't been one like it since. (It wouldn't surprise me if there has either. I doubt this specific play is P-I searchable, but would be hugely curious to hear if anyone is aware of a more recent instance.)
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4722877)
The Game of 6/9/14 included five runs in the first inning, three runs in the ninth, and only one in the seven innings between. The three-run ninth featured a game-tying rally and a game-winning rally. And the road team reached the maximum possible number of outs between scoring runs in a nine-inning game.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: June 10, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4722906)
Bingle was common in old timey baseball but is a pretty archaic term.

Ahh, we were still using it on our softball team in the 80s ... but then we were nerds. Never used it to refer to anything but a single though.

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