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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-11-2018

Washington Herald, June 11, 1918:

An extraordinary baseball catching feat was accomplished when Corp. Michael Bessolo, a soldier on [Kelly] field, established a new world record by catching a baseball dropped from an airplane, 700 feet in the air.
...
It was the first time a successful attempt ever has been made to catch a baseball from an airplane. The fact that the baseball cas caught with an infielder’s glove, instead of the heavier catcher’s mitt, makes it all the more remarkable.

Back in 1915, Wilbert Robinson thought he was trying to catch a baseball dropped from a plane, but it was a grapefruit. It splattered all over him.

Also in the news 100 years ago today, the Southern Association decides to suspend play and not finish the season.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:04 AM | 65 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:07 AM (#5689461)
Today's Birthday Team has an impressive collection of position players and an unimpressive collection of pitchers. The pitching staff admittedly becomes much more impressive if a football game breaks out.

C/Manager: Roger Bresnahan (41.71 WAR)
1B: The Other Frank Thomas (18.5 WAR)
2B: Dave Cash (25.57 WAR)
3B: Jose Reyes (35.75 WAR)
SS: Charlie Hollocher (23.23 WAR)
LF: Brock Holt (6.07 WAR)
CF: Ezequiel Carrera (0.05 WAR)
RF: Mike Davis (14.48 WAR)

SP: Odalis Perez (8.95 WAR)
SP: Wheezer Dell (3.11 WAR)
SP: John Doherty (2.91 WAR)
SP: Ernie Nevers (1.25 WAR)
SP: Tom Baker (0.8 WAR)
RP: Bobby Keppel (0.22 WAR)

Coiner of "Pronk": Bill Selby
Fun name: Pop Joy
Not that one: Jimmy Stewart
Owner: Dan Topping
Umpires: Brian Gorman, Al Smith
   2. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:22 AM (#5689465)
Bobby Keppel won exactly one game in MLB - game 163 of the 2009 Twins season, the tiebreaker game to decide the AL Central Champion, that the Twins won 6-5 in 12 innings. Keppel was the Twins' eighth pitcher of the game. I wonder how many other pitchers got their only career win in a game of that magnitude.
   3. mathesond Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5689489)
Sure, Zeke Carrera's 0.05 WAR doesn't look impressive, but he really picked it up in the playoffs!
   4. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:19 AM (#5689495)
Most times going 2-for-4 without scoring (ab/r/h/bi, regular season since 1908). Trivia in bold:

4 0 2 1 : 54 times, by a recently-deceased member of the HOVG

4 0 2 2 : three men did this 22 times each: a HOVG (48 WAR) AL LHB outfielder of late-deadball/early-lively days; an All-Star AL RHB third baseman of the '30s and '40s who later managed; and a HOF RHB NL 3B/1B of the 1960s & '70s

4 0 2 3 : eight times by one of the 4022 leaders

4 0 2 4 : three times each by four long-career players. Chronologically: a superior AL gloveman at 3B; a HOF shortstop; an AL 1B with a lot of HR and 3 career WAR; an NL 1B with a lot of HR and 10 career WAR. All batted RH

4 0 2 5 : 44 have done this once, most lately by Carlos Gomez in 2015

4 0 2 6 : this has been done twice. Washington catcher Patsy Gharrity did it in a game in 1921 against the A's; the other notable thing about the game is that the CG winning pitcher was Al Schacht, future Clown Prince of Baseball.

And Houston pitcher Dave Giusti did it against the Reds in 1966, while pitching a 6-hit shutout. Giusti's day at the plate had a nice symmetry. He led off the 3rd popping out to 2B. He hit a bases-loaded double in the fourth. He hit a bases-loaded double in the fifth. And in the 7th, he led off and popped out to SS.

Giusti batted only .187 for his career, but given that he played during a very low-offense era, that was quite acceptable for a pitcher at the time.
   5. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5689496)
Francisco Rodriguez could have been something like Bobby Keppel if he'd decided to retire after the 2002 playoffs instead of making tens of millions of dollars.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5689504)
an All-Star AL RHB third baseman of the '30s and '40s who later managed;


Jimmie Dykes?

and a HOF RHB NL 3B/1B of the 1960s & '70s


Sounds like Tony Perez.
   7. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5689506)
Perez is correct! But not Jimmie Dykes; our guy was more exclusively a third baseman.

   8. Dreadful Foie Gras Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5689509)
Red Rolfe. I just remember that name because it's awesome.
   9. Tom T Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5689513)
Given his greater career RBI total, I'd lean toward Pinky Higgins.
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5689520)
4 0 2 1 : 54 times, by a recently-deceased member of the HOVG
Rusty Staub?
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5689521)
4 0 2 4 : three times each by four long-career players. Chronologically: a superior AL gloveman at 3B; a HOF shortstop; an AL 1B with a lot of HR and 3 career WAR; an NL 1B with a lot of HR and 10 career WAR. All batted RH
Hmmm...(1) Adrian Beltre; (2) Cal Ripken; (3) Richie Sexson; (4) Dave Kingman
   12. Tom T Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5689524)
@11
Wow, I guess Adrian is old, but I've never thought of him as being THAT old! ;)

("Chronologically...")
   13. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5689528)
Higgins is correct for one of the 4022 guys, and Staub holds the 4021 record.

None of the guesses in #11 are correct. The chronology goes the other way, the gloveman earliest and the 10-WAR guy most recent.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5689530)
("Chronologically...")
Er...nevermind.
   15. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:01 AM (#5689532)
Red Rolfe was an awesome name and an excellent player, but he was more of a run-scorer, as Tom notes, and also batted LH.
   16. Tom T Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5689533)
an NL 1B with a lot of HR and 10 career WAR. All batted RH


Okay, has to be someone recent to be listed last here, so thinking '90s I'll go with Karros.
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5689534)
Eric Karros?

   18. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5689536)
None of the guesses in #11 are correct. The chronology goes the other way, the gloveman earliest and the 10-WAR guy most recent.


In that case:

Clete Boyer
Ozzie Smith
Franklin Stubbs
Eric Karros
   19. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5689537)
I never would have guessed the three older 4024 guys.
   20. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5689542)
Karros is correct, indeed. And Batman's right: the three older 4024 leaders were not obscure players at all BITD, but they are no household names anymore either. They are earlier players than Misirlou's other guesses.
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5689553)
Ohtani to have TJ surgery

Shohei Ohtani's rookie season is likely over.

ESPN's Pedro Gomez reported early Monday morning the Los Angeles Angels expect Ohtani to undergo Tommy John surgery and miss the remainder of the 2018 season and the entire 2019 season.

"Everything I'm hearing is that the reality is, he probably will need Tommy John surgery. ... The earliest we might see him, should he have TJ surgery, would be the 2020 season."


That's a damned shame.

Assuming he would have suffered this injury had he remained in Japan, does this make his decision to come over early a good one or bad one in retrospect, from a financial POV?
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5689556)
That sucks. We really can't have nice things.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5689558)
Ohtani to have TJ surgery
Man, that's just...deflating for MLB as a whole and of course especially the Angels. What are the kanji for TINSTAAPP?
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5689571)
Terrible for Ohtani, the Angels and their fans, and MLB as a whole, but LOLing at the investors suckers who were paying ridiculous amounts of money for any of the dozens of Ohtani alternate-back die-cut alternate-background-color alternate-pose short-print error autographed relic 1-of-1 baseball cards lottery tickets as recently as a week ago.
   25. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5689585)
Even worse for the three remaining 4024 guys, stealing their thunder.
   26. PreservedFish Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5689591)
This is basically the worst news in the history of baseball.
   27. SandyRiver Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:54 AM (#5689602)
Even worse for the three remaining 4024 guys, stealing their thunder.

Keltner? Pee Wee? (no idea on 3-WAR 1B. I think Dr. Strangeglove had more, plus playing in both leagues.)
   28. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5689607)
Earlier than Keltner or Reese. The 3-WAR first baseman was not quite as good as Dick Stuart (8 WAR) but a similar type; each won a single RBI title. (The 3-WAR guy did play 89 games in the NL towards the end of his career, but 1,199 in the AL).
   29. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5689610)
LOLing at baseball card collectors? Is there even a double-digit number of the people described in #24?
   30. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5689612)
The 3-WAR first baseman was not quite as good as Dick Stuart (8 WAR) but a similar type; each won a single RBI title

Walt Dropo
   31. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5689613)
Dropo is correct!
   32. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5689615)
Ok then. For HOF SS I'll go with Joe Cronin
   33. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5689623)
Is there even a double-digit number of the people described in #24?

According to eBay and posts in the baseball card Facebook groups I'm in, yes.
   34. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5689632)
LOLing at baseball card collectors? Is there even a double-digit number of the people described in #24?

I'm one of those guys, and let me tell you Ohtani fever has gripped the card industry this spring. Prices have been insane on basically every product where he's got an autograph in it. Someone offered to pay $100K for a particular card (which was pulled late last week, and you have to feel for that guy).

I had a couple of Ohtani autographed cards and a whole bunch of non-autographs. I unloaded basically everything on eBay for about $4K last month (I still have a pile of basic cards left, which I guess will go into my shoebox until 2020).

ETA: People are really hoping that the silver lining of this (from the baseball card side of things at least) is that card prices come way down from where they are now. Between Judge/Bellinger last year and Ohtani this year, you can't find even a halfway cheap box of cards anymore. Basic stuff that would have sold for $50 a box a couple of years ago is now $150/box and sold out everywhere.

According to eBay and posts in the baseball card Facebook groups I'm in, yes.

My Facebook feed is now full of posts of people desperately trying to salvage top value for their Ohtani autos. These are cards that were going for $15-20K as recently as a couple of weeks ago, they're going to be lucky to get 1/10th of that now.
   35. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:45 PM (#5689647)
Between Judge/Bellinger last year and Ohtani this year, you can't find even a halfway cheap box of cards anymore. Basic stuff that would have sold for $50 a box a couple of years ago is now $150/box and sold out everywhere.
Is it still the case that the base cards are essentially worthless? Or have they just done away with the "base set" concept entirely now, and every card is a chase card or a refractor or a relic or a parallel or a short print or an intentional error or variation?
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5689662)
People are really hoping that the silver lining of this (from the baseball card side of things at least) is that card prices come way down from where they are now. Between Judge/Bellinger last year and Ohtani this year, you can't find even a halfway cheap box of cards anymore. Basic stuff that would have sold for $50 a box a couple of years ago is now $150/box and sold out everywhere.

Why doesn't Topps just print more?
   37. PreservedFish Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5689664)

My Facebook feed is now full of posts of people desperately trying to salvage top value for their Ohtani autos. These are cards that were going for $15-20K as recently as a couple of weeks ago, they're going to be lucky to get 1/10th of that now.


That's pretty stupid. Every part of it. Including that you are Facebook friends with these people.
   38. BDC Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5689685)
Joe Cronin is also correct.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5689689)
Why doesn't Topps just print more?
Worked great in the late '80s!
   40. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:40 PM (#5689707)
Why doesn't Topps just print more?

Topps already prints about 25 different product "sets" every year, from the low-end, base-heavy stuff to ultra-high end ultra-short printed cards. Some of these sell for over $1000/box (sometimes for only 7 or 8 cards in the box).

In addition, Topps prints 3-5 new cards every day, available on-demand for 24 hours, highlighting the biggest things that happened in the previous day's games. For example, today (and today only!) you could buy cards commemorating:

* Paul Goldschmidt becoming the first player with multiple RBI/XBH in 4 straight cames in 50 years
* Curtis Granderson's career high 6 RBI game
* Clayton Richard taking a no-hit bid into the 7th inning

From Saturday, you had:

* Aaron Judge hits a go ahead HR
* Pujols passes Musial in career RBIs
* Jeimer Candelario hits his first career walk-off HR
* Goldschmidt's first back-to-back multi-HR games
* Michael Wacha allows 2 ER or fewer in 10 straight starts

Often, for major events, these cards come in not only the base versions (which sell for $9.99 a card, plus shipping), but also low-numbered variations, autographed variations, etc., that can sometimes sell for $2K+.

Topps is churning out an insane amount of product (and that's not even counting other companies, like Panini, which release almost as much unlicensed product), and people are buying it all.
   41. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5689720)
Is it still the case that the base cards are essentially worthless? Or have they just done away with the "base set" concept entirely now, and every card is a chase card or a refractor or a relic or a parallel or a short print or an intentional error or variation?

They're not worthless, but they're worth much less than the rest of all of it. I've got cases of unsorted base cards upstairs that I might be able to sell (if I were lucky) for maybe $20 for 5000 cards. Odds are I will donate it all to a children's hospital or Goodwill instead.

I do wish that Topps would make one product that was just a throwback to the 70s-80s - 800-card set, no autos, no relics, no parallels, just a basic set of cards that has most of the MLB players in it and sells for a reasonable price that some kid could go out and buy at 7-11 or Target. Even their most basic set (which is probably Topps Opening Day at this point) has a limited number of players and an insane number of hits and parallels.

This is like the late 80s again - people are looking at this as an investment, and I've already seen posts from people despairing over Ohtani saying that their Ohtani cards were going to pay for their kids' college and what will they do now? It's been this way for the last 4-5 years, because it seems like every year there's some big rookie coming up who drives the market prices higher and higher. I though it was nuts last year with Judge, but Ohtani was Judge with international buyers also interested.
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5689736)

Topps already prints about 25 different product "sets" every year, from the low-end, base-heavy stuff to ultra-high end ultra-short printed cards. Some of these sell for over $1000/box (sometimes for only 7 or 8 cards in the box).

In addition, Topps prints 3-5 new cards every day, available on-demand for 24 hours, highlighting the biggest things that happened in the previous day's games. For example, today (and today only!) you could buy cards commemorating:

* Paul Goldschmidt becoming the first player with multiple RBI/XBH in 4 straight cames in 50 years
* Curtis Granderson's career high 6 RBI game
* Clayton Richard taking a no-hit bid into the 7th inning

From Saturday, you had:

* Aaron Judge hits a go ahead HR
* Pujols passes Musial in career RBIs
* Jeimer Candelario hits his first career walk-off HR
* Goldschmidt's first back-to-back multi-HR games
* Michael Wacha allows 2 ER or fewer in 10 straight starts

Often, for major events, these cards come in not only the base versions (which sell for $9.99 a card, plus shipping), but also low-numbered variations, autographed variations, etc., that can sometimes sell for $2K+.


OK, that's insane.
   43. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:01 PM (#5689744)
OK, that's insane.

You are not wrong. The highest-end set that Topps printed last year was called Topps Transcendent. They printed only 87 boxes. Each box included about 200 cards, including around 60 autographed cards and some various artist's original sketches and things. It also included an invitation to a VIP meet and greet with Hank Aaron (at which meet and greet you received a gift bag with additional cards and whatnot). You had to pay your own travel and hotel expenses if you wanted to go.

Total price: $26000 per box.
   44. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5689748)
I'm still waiting for my Ernest Riles Sportflics card to go up in value enough to pay off my mortgage.
   45. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5689754)
Odds are I will donate it all to a children's hospital
If you find a children's hospital willing to take donations of junk wax era cards, let me know. I think there is a concern that exposure to 1990 Topps could be really bad for kids with compromised immune systems.
   46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5689755)
Total price: $26000 per box.

Yeesh. For $26,000 I bet I could get Hank Aaron to come to my house and play catch.
   47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5689757)
I'm still waiting for my Ernest Riles Sportflics card to go up in value enough to pay off my mortgage.
Er, I think you were doing it wrong, even in 1986.
   48. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:14 PM (#5689761)
If you find a children's hospital willing to take donations of junk wax era cards, let me know. I think there is a concern that exposure to 1990 Topps could be really bad for kids with compromised immune systems.

1991 Fleer has been known to cause blindness if you look directly at it.

(Someone would probably take that stuff. I know schools sometimes use cards to help teach little kids about numbers and math. But it's hard to find a home for it. I ended up throwing about 50K cards into a dumpster maybe 15 years ago. I got sick of moving them.)
   49. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5689771)
I ended up throwing about 50K cards into a dumpster maybe 15 years ago. I got sick of moving them.)
I think if I were to do that, I would first have to have some sort of requiem for the dreams of Gregg Jefferies, Ricky Jordan, Sam Horn, Kevin Maas, Billy Jo Robidoux, Tim Pyznarski, Mike Harkey...
   50. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5689833)
Ah Gregg Jefferies. Man, if he came along today the hobby would go nuts for him, especially if he had another crazy September like he did in 1988 as a 20-year-old.

Card collectors remember Jefferies as one of the great busts, but the guy put up 19.6 career WAR, made 2 All-Star teams and got MVP votes in 2 seasons. He even got 2 votes for the Hall of Fame in his only eligible season. And he made $34 million, retiring after his age 32 season.

All in all not too bad.
   51. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 03:25 PM (#5689839)
I bought a pack of cards at a shop in Chicago in 1990 and the guy running the store told me he would give me $20 for an Eric Anthony rookie card if I got one. I did, and I used the money to get pizza for lunch that day.
   52. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 03:34 PM (#5689842)
I bought a pack of cards at a shop in Chicago in 1990 and the guy running the store told me he would give me $20 for an Eric Anthony rookie card if I got one. I did, and I used the money to get pizza for lunch that day.
That's fitting - the pizza and Eric Anthony's career ended up in the same place.
   53. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5689851)
I bought a pack of cards at a shop in Chicago in 1990 and the guy running the store told me he would give me $20 for an Eric Anthony rookie card if I got one. I did, and I used the money to get pizza for lunch that day.

That's easily the most successful junk wax era baseball card story I've heard.
   54. Dreadful Foie Gras Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5689855)
So baseball cards still exist and people still buy them? That is wild. Is this another old white dude thing that continues because old white dudes care and have the money or it's been reborn because of some other group getting interested?
   55. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5689859)
I might be getting interested in old cards. Looking at auctions for John Titus, Sherry Magee, Fred Luderus, that kind of person. Not that I know how I would display them.

Anyway, I quickly learn that there seem to be a million card lines back then. They are all listed as "Close Candy", "Nadja Caramel", "American Caramel", "Old Judge", "Allen & Ginter", etc etc. Is there a list of all these lines and the specifications of their cards?
   56. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:38 PM (#5689882)
Guide to Various Olde Timey Cards

There were a million different lines, and they included more than just baseball players. But the old cards can be very interesting, and if you're not picky about grade you can pick up some significant Hall of Famers relatively cheaply.

Caveat - if you're interested in buying on eBay, it's always best to buy something that has already been graded and authenticated. There were lots of reprint sets made through the years (particularly for the T-206 line), and people are shrewd about weathering them to look authentic. I read an estimate that between 75-90% of "raw" (meaning ungraded) tobacco cards listed for sale on eBay are fakes.
   57. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 04:41 PM (#5689886)
Is this another old white dude thing that continues because old white dudes care and have the money or it's been reborn because of some other group getting interested?
Baseball cards are apparently all the rage among teenage Inuit girls.
   58. Batman Posted: June 11, 2018 at 05:43 PM (#5689889)
Baseball cards are apparently all the rage among teenage Inuit girls.
That's the old cliche- if you want old white guys to like something, you have to get the teenage Inuit girls to like it first.
   59. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 07:23 PM (#5689930)
Are we picking this one apart anywhere yet?

Mensa Member Ideas For Baseball
   60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 11, 2018 at 08:14 PM (#5689952)
Are we picking this one apart anywhere yet?

Mensa Member Ideas For Baseball
Oh, man. I was going to be an enthusiastic subscriber to his newsletter...right up until I started reading about his actual ideas.
   61. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:20 PM (#5689981)
Oh, man. I was going to be an enthusiastic subscriber to his newsletter...right up until I started reading about his actual ideas.

you're being too kind
   62. PreservedFish Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:26 PM (#5689983)
An annual day of 15 doubleheaders would be ####### awesome.
   63. Hank G. Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:30 PM (#5689985)
Topps is churning out an insane amount of product (and that's not even counting other companies, like Panini, which release almost as much unlicensed product), and people are buying it all.


Is there any other company that just creates value out of nothing? Why isn’t Topps the most valuable company in the world?
   64. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:43 PM (#5689994)
Thanks, PreservedFish for submitting the article I linked. You did a much better job at titling it than I would have.
   65. PreservedFish Posted: June 11, 2018 at 09:55 PM (#5690007)
Thanks. I thought the original Yahoo headline was lacking.

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