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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-13-2018

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, June 13, 1918:

Babe Ruth Looks Like Cobb’s Successor

...to return to King Tyrus and his most logical successor, George Sisler, although a wonderful player, will not do, because of that same colorless stuff and lack of personality which characterizes the standing of Eddie Collins…The slugger always is popular with the masses, and the boy who can slam the pellet out of the lot or knock down a couple of infielders in every combat will get the big majority in the race for the nomination.

George Ruth, the slugging southpaw of the Red Sox, is that sort of a guy. He is hitting so well that Manager Barrow has slipped him into the regular line-up and forgotten all about his pitching Ruth recently tied the big league record with four home runs in four successive games, and if he continues to slap the spheroid with the same intensity crowds will turn out to see him in action.

That’s an impressive prediction and more or less exactly what happened.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:14 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:18 AM (#5691085)
Not a good Birthday Team today. Only two position players with 4+ career WAR.

C: Ernie Whitt (18.31 WAR)
1B: Jonathan Lucroy (20.19 WAR)
2B: Hal Luby (0.9 WAR)
3B: 1952 White Sox Hector Rodriguez (0.98 WAR)
SS: Henry Baldwin (0.04 WAR)
LF: Bobby Clark (-1.05 WAR)
CF: Charlie Malay (-0.43 WAR)
RF: Marty Kavanagh (3.51 WAR)

SP: Mel Parnell (27.23 WAR)
SP: Drew Smyly (9.6 WAR)
SP: Fred Klobedanz (6.25 WAR)
SP: Darrell May (5.65 WAR)
SP: Emilio Palmero (-0.87 WAR)
RP: Pedro Strop (7.81 WAR)

-13.53 career WAR: Bill Bergen (-13.53 WAR)
Manager: Jim Mutrie
Not that one: Jason Thompson, Billy Williams
Pitching coach: Marcel Lachemann
Play-by-play: Tom Cheek
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5691092)
Not a good Birthday Team today. Only two position players with 4+ career WAR.


And since Lucroy is a catcher, he's probably a 10 WAR first baseman at best.
   3. BDC Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5691095)
I only remember seeing two of today's Birthdayers: Lucroy and Strop, in their brief stops in Texas. I probably saw Ernie Whitt, but I started going to AL games late in his career, and I only remember him as a name in the box scores.

Drew Smyly is somebody I probably saw start a game and then forgot the existence of. And might see again; he is apparently nearly all the way back from Tommy John surgery.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5691105)
I only remember seeing two of today's Birthdayers: Lucroy and Strop, in their brief stops in Texas. I probably saw Ernie Whitt, but I started going to AL games late in his career, and I only remember him as a name in the box scores.


I was sitting in the rightfield corner at Fenway in 1983 when Ernie Whitt hit a line drive that caught the very bottom of Pesky's Pole. The bonk it made on contact was fittingly unimpressive.

   5. stanmvp48 Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5691126)
Mel Parnell used to attend SABR meetings in New Orleans. I believe he shut out the Yankees five times in one season or something.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: June 13, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5691143)

Mel Parnell used to attend SABR meetings in New Orleans. I believe he shut out the Yankees five times in one season or something.


Four times in 1953.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5691155)
-13.53 career WAR: Bill Bergen (-13.53 WAR)

Least valuable career of all time. A full 6 wins worse than the next closest position player Jim Levey, SS (1930-33). Bill Stearns, SP (1871-75) managed a combined -9.5 WAR (-7.5 pitching, -2.0 batting).
   8. eric Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5691172)
Bill Bergen is the answer to one of my favorite obscure trivia questions. Usually presented in two steps:

1) Which player holds the record for most career PAs without ever having an HBP?

A: Mark Lemke

2) Whose record did he break?

A: Bill Bergen
   9. eric Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5691184)
Also, just noted that with his second consecutive 2-HR night last night, Mike Trout just cleared 60 career WAR. He has a shot at the HOF.
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 13, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5691212)
Also, just noted that with his second consecutive 2-HR night last night, Mike Trout just cleared 60 career WAR. He has a shot at the HOF.


And 6.0 for the season.

Trout is 10th among active players in career WAR. He's 0.6 behind Verlander, and as good as Verlander has been this year, he's likely to pass him this year. Next up is Sabathia, 0.8 ahead. That seems likely as well. If Kershaw at 1.9 ahead is done for the year, he will fall. Greinke is 2.6 ahead. At current trends, Trout will pass him, but I'm not sure even Trout can keep up this pace. Say 50/50 to pass him. Utley is 5.5 ahead and seems cooked. If Trout gets another 6 and passes Greinke, he passes Utley, so 50/50 as well. Cano is 4th, 7.5 ahead. Trout won't pass him this year.
   11. Batman Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5691241)
Trout is 26, and the most WAR for any hitter who's not in the Hall and isn't on the ballot anymore is Vada Pinson. Trout will be 20 WAR ahead of Pinson's through-age-26 WAR soon. Trout passed Pinson's career number early this year.

Other non-HOFers who are ahead of Pinson (but still behind Trout) but will be on future ballots are A-Rod (55.2 WAR through 26), Pujols (46.1), Andruw Jones (42.5), and Bonds (41.3.)
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM (#5691255)
SP: Emilio Palmero (-0.87 WAR)
Didn't he do a duets album with Enrico Palazzo?
   13. eric Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5691258)
Miggy is third on the active list with 69.3 WAR, but he's apparently done for the year. That means by the end of next season Trout might be 28 and third on the active career WAR list, behind only Pujols and Beltre who are far ahead. And if either of those two crater hard in that time period and retire, Trout could be even higher.

The only other player in the top 30 in active career WAR who is under 30 is Chris Sale, who is at #30.
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:40 PM (#5691259)
-13.53 career WAR: Bill Bergen (-13.53 WAR)

Least valuable career of all time. A full 6 wins worse than the next closest position player Jim Levey, SS (1930-33). Bill Stearns, SP (1871-75) managed a combined -9.5 WAR (-7.5 pitching, -2.0 batting).


I have a tray that I picked up many years ago. It's titled "Our National Game", and is illustrated with reproductions of baseball cards from the early 20th Century. Most of the stars of the era are there - Cobb, Speaker, Wagner, Mathewson, Lajoie, McGraw, Wheat, Chance, Baker...pretty much every great player from that era except Walter Johnson. And then it has Bill Bergen. I've always wondered if the person who designed the tray knew how bad a player Bergen was, and put him on it as an inside joke that only true fans would get.
   15. Batman Posted: June 13, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5691267)
Bergen hit .170 in 3229 plate appearances. He's 40 points behind the second worst among players with 3000 plate appearances, and that's Cy Young, the only pitcher to qualify. There are 286 players within 40 points of Young's average on the other side.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 13, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5691276)
Bergen hit .170 in 3229 plate appearances. He's 40 points behind the second worst among players with 3000 plate appearances, and that's Cy Young, the only pitcher to qualify. There are 286 players within 40 points of Young's average on the other side.

He is impressively bad. For the same 3000 PA cutoff his SLG% of .201 is 51 pts below 2nd place Doc Bushong. His OPS+ of 21 is less than half Cy Young's 45.
   17. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 13, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5691383)
Darrell May pitched in Pittsburgh early in his career, briefly and unsuccessfully. He went to Japan for a few years and then came back with the Royals, where he had one good year and then led the league in losses the following year.

-- MWE
   18. AndrewJ Posted: June 13, 2018 at 08:40 PM (#5691717)
In 1885 Jim Mutrie reputedly called his New York Gothams "My giants!" and the nickname stuck.
   19. Hank Gillette Posted: June 14, 2018 at 02:03 PM (#5692215)
Cano is 4th, 7.5 ahead. Trout won't pass him this year.


That’s a pretty bold prediction, considering that Trout is on pace for a 14 WAR season.

Of course, you are probably right; Trout has played every game this season, and no one can maintain this pace. Can they? Since it’s Trout, I wouldn’t want to stake my life on it.
   20. Hank Gillette Posted: June 14, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5692220)
An interesting thing about Ruth is that from the biographies of him that I have read, the Red Sox management really wanted him to continue to pitch, and it was Ruth who insisted on playing in the field. His bad attitude about this was part of the reason that the Sox were willing to sell him to the Yankees.
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 14, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5692291)
That’s a pretty bold prediction, considering that Trout is on pace for a 14 WAR season.

Of course, you are probably right; Trout has played every game this season, and no one can maintain this pace. Can they? Since it’s Trout, I wouldn’t want to stake my life on it.


Well, Cano will be back in mid August, and is a safe bet to put up 1 or so WAR in the final 6 weeks*, so Trout would need 8.5 more, or 14.5 for the season. Or Cano to add 0 or go negative. I give that a 1 in 20 chance.

*He put up 1.5 in 39 games before the suspension. He will be back for 40 or so in August.
   22. puck Posted: June 16, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5693371)
Ian Desmond raised his average above .200 for the first time since April 12 with a 3-hit game last night.

He began the season with a 5-game run where he was 8 for 19 with a 1.211 OPS.
He just finished a 5-game run (June 10-15) where he went 7 for 20 with a 1.150 OPS.

In between, he has played annoyingly regularly and put up a .168/.249/.350 line. How does one put up a .208 BABIP in Coors Field?

Edit: he has 72.5% of the Rockies' PA's as a 1B, and has the Rockies' highest OPS as a 1B.
   23. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 16, 2018 at 01:18 PM (#5693383)
In between, he has played annoyingly regularly and put up a .168/.249/.350 line. How does one put up a .208 BABIP in Coors Field?


By grounding out to the second baseman in 60 percent of your at-bats.
   24. puck Posted: June 16, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5693386)
Other Rockies fun facts--their positional sOPS+:

C 91
1B 66
2B 99
3B 144
SS 133
LF 98
CF 119
RF 94
P 154
PH 67

I am not sure how those are calculated (if they're park adjusted). But the Rockies' non-park-adjusted positional splits are below league average for catcher, 1st, 2nd (due to Lemahieu missing time and a very weak bench), LF, and RF.

Pretty sure 1st, LF and RF were projected thusly in the pre-season. Probably catcher, too (Iannetta and Wolters).
   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 16, 2018 at 01:38 PM (#5693393)
Wolters has hit .156/.281/.229, but has still started 28 games. I know they like his defense, but that's just insane, especially when they had Tom Murphy raking at Albuquerque.

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