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Thursday, June 19, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-19-2014

Pittsburgh Press, June 19, 1914:

Bert Dorr, the first man to master the art of curving a baseball, died at his home [in Binghamton, New York] today. Dorr was considered one of the game’s greatest pitching stars in the old days. He was a member of both the old Cincinnati and Washington teams.

Seemed like the sort of player I’d want to learn more about, so I looked him up. Dorr was ten years old when Candy Cummings made his “major” league debut, so it’s tough to make a case for him as the inventor of the curveball. He never played for Cincinnati or Washington, as far as I can tell, and only made 8 MLB appearances, going 2-6 for the 1882 Brown Stockings.

Still, he appears to have been a pretty good player. Put up a 108 ERA+ as a 20-year-old in his only big league season, then went to the Interstate Association the next season and put up a 2.22 ERA. He largely vanishes from the record books after that. SABR has him appearing for Albany in 1885, but there are no more records of Dorr as a pro ballplayer after that.

Jerry Lumpe Rutherford (Dan Lee) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 07:36 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jerry Lumpe Rutherford (Dan Lee) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 07:38 AM (#4730218)
Happy Birthday to slugging legends Lou Gehrig, Duane Kuiper, and Johnnie LeMaster.

C: Devin Mesoraco
1B: Lou Gehrig
2B: Duane Kuiper
3B: Bob Aspromonte
SS: Don Gutteridge
LF: Fernando Gonzalez
CF: Dustan Mohr
RF: Butch Davis

SP: Eddie Cicotte
SP: Jerry Reuss
SP: Jim Slaton
SP: 1930s Bill Swift
SP: Bruce Chen
RP: Luis Aloma

Eye Chart Redux: Doug Mientkiewicz
Boo: Johnnie LeMaster
Not that one: Bob Gibson, Ozzie Osborn
   2. AndrewJ Posted: June 19, 2014 at 07:59 AM (#4730232)
Bob Aspromonte was the last ex-Brooklyn Dodger to play in the majors, lasting until 1971 with the Mets (where he was managed by his ex-Brooklyn teammate Gil Hodges)...
   3. BDC Posted: June 19, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4730250)
Butch Davis's nickname was "Warm Front," something that should be preserved on his B-Ref page :)
   4. God Posted: June 19, 2014 at 09:08 AM (#4730262)
Jerry Reuss is one of two members of the "left-hander who threw a no-hitter for the Dodgers that was only an error away from being a perfect game" club.
   5. Born1951 Posted: June 19, 2014 at 09:34 AM (#4730293)
Red Sox-Yankees games were really long in 1941. This was discovered by Sean Forman.
   6. BDC Posted: June 19, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4730311)
Reuss is also the author of a new memoir, Bring in the Right-Hander!
   7. bobm Posted: June 19, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4730384)
[2] Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, From 1958 to 2014, For players in the saved report : (Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, Playing for the LAD, From 1901 to 1957, sorted by most recent date: Results), sorted by most recent Final Season

                                                                                
Rk              Player   To   Age        Pos                                  Tm
1       Bob Aspromonte 1971 18-33  *5H/67349                 BRO-LAD-HOU-ATL-NYM
2        John Roseboro 1970 24-37   *2H/3758                     BRO-LAD-MIN-WSA
3         Don Drysdale 1969 19-32       *1/H                             BRO-LAD
4        Johnny Podres 1969 20-36       *1/H                     BRO-LAD-DET-SDP
5          Don Demeter 1967 21-32   *8H573/9             BRO-LAD-PHI-DET-CLE-BOS
6          Roger Craig 1966 25-36         *1             BRO-LAD-NYM-STL-CIN-PHI
7          Jim Gentile 1966 23-32        *3H             BRO-LAD-BAL-KCA-HOU-CLE
8          Jim Gilliam 1966 24-37  *457H/983                             BRO-LAD
9         Sandy Koufax 1966 19-30         *1                             BRO-LAD
10          Ed Roebuck 1966 23-34       *1/H                     BRO-LAD-WSA-PHI
11         Gino Cimoli 1965 26-35      987/H     BRO-LAD-STL-MLN-PIT-BAL-KCA-CAL
12          Don Zimmer 1965 23-34   546H/279             BRO-LAD-CHC-NYM-CIN-WSA
13          Don Elston 1964 24-35         *1                             BRO-CHC
14            Don Hoak 1964 26-36     *5/H64                 BRO-CHC-CIN-PIT-PHI
15          Cal McLish 1964 18-38       *1/H         BRO-PIT-CHC-CLE-CIN-CHW-PHI
16         Duke Snider 1964 20-37     *89H/7                     BRO-LAD-NYM-SFG
17       Dick Williams 1964 22-35   7H538/94                 BRO-CLE-KCA-BAL-BOS
18     Chico Fernandez 1963 24-31    *6/H543                     BRO-PHI-DET-NYM
19          Gil Hodges 1963 19-39 *3/H275984                         BRO-LAD-NYM
20           Ray Moore 1963 26-37         *1                 BRO-BAL-WSH-CHW-MIN
21        Charlie Neal 1963 25-32     *465/H                     BRO-LAD-NYM-CIN
22       Jackie Collum 1962 24-35       *1/H         STL-CIN-BRO-CHC-LAD-CLE-MIN
23         Clem Labine 1962 23-35       *1/H                 BRO-LAD-DET-PIT-NYM
24      Danny McDevitt 1962 24-29       *1/H                 BRO-LAD-NYY-MIN-KCA
25       Joe Pignatano 1962 27-32      *2/H5                 BRO-LAD-KCA-NYM-SFG
Rk              Player   To   Age        Pos                                  Tm
26       Rocky Bridges 1961 23-33     645/H7         BRO-WSH-CIN-DET-STL-CLE-LAA
27          Ken Lehman 1961 24-33       *1/H                         BRO-BAL-PHI
28          Billy Loes 1961 20-31       *1/H                         BRO-BAL-SFG
29          Walt Moryn 1961 28-35      97H/8                     BRO-CHC-STL-PIT
30        Rocky Nelson 1961 24-36     *3H/79                 STL-CHW-BRO-CLE-PIT
31          Elmer Valo 1961 19-40     *9H7/8 PHA-KCA-PHI-BRO-LAD-CLE-WSH-NYY-MIN
32        Sandy Amoros 1960 22-30     *7H/89                         BRO-LAD-DET
33        Carl Furillo 1960 24-38     *98H/7                             BRO-LAD
34           Fred Kipp 1960 25-28       /*1H                         BRO-LAD-NYY
35        Don Newcombe 1960 23-34        *1H                     BRO-LAD-CLE-CIN
36   Wayne Terwilliger 1960 24-35   *4/H5638                 CHC-BRO-WSH-NYG-KCA
37        Carl Erskine 1959 21-32       *1/H                             BRO-LAD
38         Bill Harris 1959 25-27        /*1                             BRO-LAD
39       Randy Jackson 1959 24-33      *5H/7                     CHC-BRO-LAD-CLE
40       Morrie Martin 1959 26-36         *1         BRO-PHA-CHW-BAL-STL-CLE-CHC
41          Russ Meyer 1959 22-35         *1             CHC-PHI-BRO-CIN-BOS-KCA
42          Andy Pafko 1959 22-38      8975H                         CHC-BRO-MLN
43       Bud Podbielan 1959 25-35       *1/H                         BRO-CIN-CLE
44        Preston Ward 1959 20-31   *3H/5987                 BRO-CHC-PIT-CLE-KCA
45         Don Bessent 1958 24-27         *1                             BRO-LAD
46         Bert Hamric 1958 27-30        /*H                             BRO-BAL
47          Sal Maglie 1958 28-41       *1/H                 NYG-CLE-BRO-NYY-STL
48        Eddie Miksis 1958 17-31  4H568/973                 BRO-CHC-BAL-STL-CIN
49        Bobby Morgan 1958 24-32     465/H3                     BRO-PHI-STL-CHC
50          Ron Negray 1958 22-28        /*1                         BRO-PHI-LAD
Rk              Player   To   Age        Pos                                  Tm
51       Pee Wee Reese 1958 21-39      *65/H                             BRO-LAD
52        Tim Thompson 1958 30-34      *2/H7                         BRO-KCA-DET
53         Rube Walker 1958 22-32        *2H                         CHC-BRO-LAD
   8. Al Peterson Posted: June 19, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4730405)
Duane Kuiper according to BBRef was drafted by six different organizations from 1968-1972. Not sure we consider the Indians the winner but at least they got him to sign.
   9. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4730460)
bobm: How do you get that list? Is it from a BBRef PI search? If so, what are the settings?
I've been trying to maintain a "last man standing" spreadsheet, and it would make things much easier for me if I could get results like that.
(For example, including the stat "Date Died = null" to find out how many players from a specific team are still alive or at least not reported dead.)
   10. esseff Posted: June 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4730463)
Memory of birthday outfielder Dustan Mohr: It's the 2004 season and the Giants are three games down with five to play and also running neck and neck for the wild card. Tie game in the 10th at San Diego, and the Padres have the bases loaded. A short foul fly is hit down the right field line and Mohr, charging in for it, has a split second to decide whether to let the ball drop or catch it and throw home. He decides on the catch, makes the catch and . . . falls over the bullpen mound, driving another nail into the coffin of the Giants' 2004 season.
   11. Davo Dozier Posted: June 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4730467)
The Rangers have released Daniel Bard.

In two thirds of an inning for the Class A Hickory Crawdads, Bard walked 9 batters and hit 7 others.
   12. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4730491)
In two thirds of an inning for the Class A Hickory Crawdads, Bard walked 9 batters and hit 7 others.

How...how does he get 4 appearances to do that? Wouldn't one or two of them be enough for someone to say "Well, he's obviously gone full-Blass."?
What's really amazing is that he didn't even throw one wild pitch. You'd assume with that kind of wildness, at least ONE of them would be uncatchable...
   13. bobm Posted: June 19, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4730541)
[9] I ran two reports using PI, one for Dodger players' multiple seasons, through 1957, sorted by most recent year. I used the "link url" option on the "SHARE" menu to save the most recent 200 players. Then I refreshed the page and ran a second report, using the first report as my dataset by selecting it from the box at the bottom of the page labeled "Only find players in the saved report (may need to reload):", sorted by descending "final year."

See also this page for more info re "Create Season Finder Reports Restricted to a Custom Set of Players"
   14. Born1951 Posted: June 19, 2014 at 01:39 PM (#4730604)
In two thirds of an inning for the Class A Hickory Crawdads, Bard walked 9 batters and hit 7 others.

Thanks, I love bizarre stats like that! His season ERA is 175.50 and walks per 9 is 121.5. But hey, if someone asks him how he did down there, he can say "I pitched two-thirds hitless innings!"

Here is his minor league page.
   15. Random Transaction Generator Posted: June 19, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4730641)
Thanks for the info, bobm. I never noticed that drop down list at the bottom.

I don't know how to get around the situation I'm trying, however.
When I get my list of everyone that was ever an Expo, when I do another search based on it (players who have played in 2014), it only uses the first 200 players from the original list (and doesn't find players like Maicer Izturis). Is there some other trick for using the entire 627 player list for my second search?

   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 19, 2014 at 05:00 PM (#4730949)
The Game of 6/18/84 was a duel between a pretty good, pretty old pitcher, and a really really good, really really old pitcher. The better and older pitcher won, putting him halfway to what would have been arguably the best old-pitcher season ever if the rest of it had matched this part.
   17. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 19, 2014 at 05:10 PM (#4730967)

In two thirds of an inning for the Class A Hickory Crawdads, Bard walked 9 batters and hit 7 others.


And hadn't allowed a hit.
   18. bobm Posted: June 19, 2014 at 05:25 PM (#4730985)
[15] The easiest way to do it might just be a single search after all:

Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, Playing for the WSN, From 1901 to 2004, sorted by greatest Final Season

                                                        
Rk                Player   To From   To   Age        Pos
1            Endy Chavez 2014 2002 2004 24-26       *8/H
2            Scott Downs 2014 2000 2004 24-28        /*1
3         Maicer Izturis 2014 2004 2004 23-23      /*64H
4             Bruce Chen 2014 2002 2002 25-25        /*1
5          Bartolo Colon 2014 2002 2002 29-29        /*1
6             Luis Ayala 2013 2003 2004 25-26         *1
7          Jamey Carroll 2013 2002 2004 28-30    /5H467D
8         Brendan Harris 2013 2004 2004 23-23      /*4H5
9              Jon Rauch 2013 2004 2004 25-25        /*1
10             Ted Lilly 2013 1999 1999 23-23        /*1
11       Livan Hernandez 2012 2003 2004 28-29       /*1H
12            Shawn Hill 2012 2004 2004 23-23        /*1
13          Nick Johnson 2012 2004 2004 25-25       /*3H
14           Juan Rivera 2012 2004 2004 25-25    *9/H87D
15       Brian Schneider 2012 2000 2004 23-27    *2/HD79
16           Carl Pavano 2012 1998 2002 22-26        /*1
17            Geoff Blum 2012 1999 2001 26-28    5/6H473
18        Guillermo Mota 2012 1999 2001 25-27         *1
19        Miguel Batista 2012 1998 2000 27-29        /*1
20       Orlando Cabrera 2011 1997 2004 22-29      *6/4H
21          Val Pascucci 2011 2004 2004 25-25      /H937
22     Vladimir Guerrero 2011 1996 2003 21-28     *9/H8D
23        Javier Vazquez 2011 1998 2003 21-26         *1
24        Milton Bradley 2011 2000 2001 22-23     /*87H9
25           Matt Stairs 2011 1992 1993 24-25       /*7H
Rk                Player   To From   To   Age        Pos
26           Ryan Church 2010 2004 2004 25-25     /*H798
27          Chad Cordero 2010 2003 2004 21-22        /*1
28         Gary Majewski 2010 2004 2004 24-24        /*1
29        Claudio Vargas 2010 2003 2004 25-26       /*1H
30        Fernando Tatis 2010 2001 2003 26-28      *5/HD
31      Scott Strickland 2010 1999 2002 23-26         *1
32     Mark Grudzielanek 2010 1995 1998 25-28     *6/54


Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Play Index Tool Used
Generated 6/19/2014.
   19. Batman Posted: June 19, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4731011)
And hadn't allowed a hit.
And 13.5 K/9. Kershaw had the same hits/9 and 1.5 more K last night, and his game is considered one of the best of all time. Bard kept it up for four appearances.
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 19, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4731066)
The Game of 6/18/14 was... really dull, except for a thing that one of the players involved did for the entire game, which people tend to find exciting - especially when the player in question is as good as this one.

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