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Tuesday, June 19, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-19-2018

New York Tribune, June 19, 1918:

It is not the fault of Señor Jose Campos, of the visiting Mexican journalists, if his readers of “Excelsior,” a Mexico City daily, do not understand baseball perfectly now that he has explained the finer angles of the game to them. The other day Don Jose saw the Giants and the Cincinnati Reds play and he sent the following to his paper, according to a morning contemporary:
...
“In place of a bull baseball has an umpire, a man who does not play the game, but is an authority of the same. Unlike the judge of a bullfight, he stands on the ball field. He is not goaded with pikes, banderillas and finally the sword, as is the bull, but is the recipient of abuse from both players and the multitude seated in the huge arena…

“I think if I understood English perfectly and had played baseball all my life, and had not been born a Mexican, I should like to see a baseball game every year on my birthday anniversary.”

I would too, but I’m out of luck because I was born in December.

At first, this excerpt seemed like it was probably fictitious, but I think it might be real. Jose Campos was indeed the editor of Excelsior, which was (and is) a newspaper in Mexico City, and the Mexican League wasn’t formed until 1925. La Biblioteca Nacional de México appears to have a digitized archive of Excelsior, but it’s not accessible to the public.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:06 AM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5695125)
Today's Birthday Team. Maybe the first baseman can teach the second baseman how to hit home runs.

C: Devin Mesoraco (3.99 WAR)
1B: Lou Gehrig (112.41 WAR)
2B: Duane Kuiper (4.15 WAR)
3B: Bob Aspromonte (1.14 WAR)
SS/Manager: Don Gutteridge (-0.76 WAR)
LF: Butch Davis (0.16 WAR)
CF: Dustan Mohr (2.30 WAR)
RF: Doug Mientkiewicz (11.84 WAR)

SP: Eddie Cicotte (58.7 WAR)
SP: Jerry Reuss (35.28 WAR)
SP: Jacob deGrom (21.97 WAR)
SP: 1930s Bill Swift (21.45 WAR)
SP: Jim Slaton (17.29 WAR)
RP: Bruce Chen (10.29 WAR)

Boo: Johnnie LeMaster (-5.43 WAR)
Fun name: Casper Asbjornson, Craig Smajstrla, George Burpo
Not that one: Bob Gibson, Ozzie Osborn
RIP: Oscar Taveras
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5695160)
C: Devin Mesoraco (3.99 WAR)
1B: Lou Gehrig (112.41 WAR)
2B: Duane Kuiper (4.15 WAR)
3B: Bob Aspromonte (1.14 WAR)
SS/Manager: Don Gutteridge (-0.76 WAR)
LF: Butch Davis (0.16 WAR)
CF: Dustan Mohr (2.30 WAR)
RF: Doug Mientkiewicz (11.84 WAR)

SP: Eddie Cicotte (58.7 WAR)
SP: Jerry Reuss (35.28 WAR)
SP: Jacob deGrom (21.97 WAR)
SP: 1930s Bill Swift (21.45 WAR)
SP: Jim Slaton (17.29 WAR)
RP: Bruce Chen (10.29 WAR)


One of the starkest contrasts between pitching quality and hitting quality I've noticed. That's a seriously good rotation.
   3. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:43 AM (#5695167)
I was reading it from the bottom up and was like "wait why is Doug Mientkiewicz playing RF? Oh."
   4. Batman Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5695188)
I was reading it from the bottom up and was like "wait why is Doug Mientkiewicz playing RF? Oh."
Just biding his time until the starter at first needs a day off.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5695189)
Kuiper and LeMaster form the platonic ideal of the non-hitting 1970s double-play combination.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5695199)
On Monday, Yadier Molina set the record for most starts at catcher for a single team. Who have played, not started, the most games with one team at each position for the other eight positions on the diamond (five are very easy, the other three varying degrees of more difficult.

1B -
2B -
3B -
SS -
LF -
RF -
CF -
P -

Note - players didn't have to play for a single franchise.

   7. Nasty Nate Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5695207)
five are very easy
Right up my alley!

Cal Ripken at SS - Orioles. Yaz in LF - Red Sox.

Probably Mays at CF - Giants.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5695209)
Aaron, Gehrig, Brooks. John Franco? No idea for a guess at 2B.
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5695210)
Cal Ripken
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5695211)
Mariano Rivera - P
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5695212)
P - Kent Tekulve
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5695213)
2B - Craig Biggio
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5695214)
Mays and Rivera are correct.

The rest are incorrect.

Edit: Sorry, didn't notice his inclusion at first. But Brooks Robinson is also correct.
   14. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5695215)
Whitaker at 2B
   15. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5695216)
3B - George Brett
   16. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5695218)
SS - Luke Appling
   17. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5695219)
Al Kaline RF?
   18. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5695221)
Anson at 1B
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5695223)
Mays and Rivera are correct.
Out of curiosity, what is GS as a pitcher? Walter Johnson?
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5695224)
Whitaker is correct. Brett (as noted in the edit, that's Brooks), Luke or Al are not.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5695227)
Out of curiosity, what is GS as a pitcher? Walter Johnson?


Yes.

Anson is incorrect.
   22. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5695229)

SS - Derek Jeter
   23. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5695233)
Eddie Murray, 1b?
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5695235)
Fun fact. Lou Gehrig produced 972 RBat in his career, his lineup mates produced -234. Only Mientkiewicz is positive, at +2.
   25. Nasty Nate Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5695241)
I was under the impression Gehrig had some decent lineup mates...

edit: ah, now I get it.
   26. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5695242)
Derek Jeter is correct. Murray is not.


1B -
2B - Lou Whitaker (edges out fellow Tiger second sacker Charlie Gehringer)
3B - Brooks Robinson (also the most career games at a single position for a single team)
SS - Derek Jeter (second all-time in games at short, behind Omar)
LF -
RF -
CF - Willie Mays (the all-time leader in games played at center, most with the Giants)
P - Mariano Rivera (fourth in games overall. Big Train has record for most games started)

I didn't think right would take this long. First and left struck me as quite a bit trickier.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:23 PM (#5695244)
I was under the impression Gehrig had some decent lineup mates...

edit: ah, now I get it.


I was wondering what the hell that was about for a second.

   28. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5695246)
Clemente?
   29. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5695247)
LF - Brock?
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5695250)
Clemente is correct. Brock is second.

I've got to leave, so I'll check back in about 90 minutes.
   31. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5695252)
Aaron, Gehrig, Brooks.


I thought that you were nuts. No way Hubie Brooks is close. Then I realized what you meant. ;)
   32. Nasty Nate Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5695254)
1B - Willie McCovey
   33. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM (#5695255)
Anson is second at 1B, 26 behind the leader ,who I would never have guessed.
   34. salvomania Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:44 PM (#5695274)
Phil Cavaretta?

EDIT: OK, only about 1000 or so behind the leader
   35. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:52 PM (#5695281)
Mark Grace?
   36. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 19, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5695289)
Todd Helton
   37. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5695321)
well, i would never have guessed Todd Helton either. :-)


   38. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5695340)
Yes, Helton it is.

Not surprising (to me), we are left with left. I suspect hints are in order.

He would be the oldest player among the answers, by a considerable margin (since the Big Train was not an answer). He's also, with Willie, one of the two players who did not spend his entire career with one franchise (just most of it).

   39. mathesond Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5695355)
Ty Cobb?
   40. JJ1986 Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5695364)
Zack Wheat?
   41. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:56 PM (#5695368)
Cobb played mostly CF.

For LF I'd guess Fred Clarke, based on the clues.

-- MWE
   42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 19, 2018 at 01:58 PM (#5695369)
Al Simmons for LF?
   43. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 02:05 PM (#5695376)
JJ1986 for the win.

Zack Wheat is fourth all-time on the games played in left list at 2,328, all but 57 of them with Brooklyn. Lou Brock was second.
   44. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 19, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5695427)
For some reason I thought Wheat played more in RF.

-- MWE
   45. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 19, 2018 at 02:54 PM (#5695439)
For some reason I thought Wheat played more in RF.


Wheat only played ten games in OF positions other than left, five in center and five in right - and three of those games in right and two of those in center came in his final season, 1927, his only year playing for the Athletics.
   46. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: June 19, 2018 at 05:16 PM (#5695569)
So who is #1 for most games DH'd with one team?

I assume Edgar, with an outside chance for The Big Hurt.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 05:18 PM (#5695571)
I would assume Ortiz. His career with Boston was just about as long as Edgar's entire career, and Ortiz almost never played the field.

Edit: It looks like Ortiz had 1,747 games at DH with Boston. Edgar had 1,403. Thomas DH'd for 1,308 games, with multiple teams.
   48. Mike Emeigh Posted: June 19, 2018 at 05:27 PM (#5695582)
Wheat only played ten games in OF positions other than left, five in center and five in right - and three of those games in right and two of those in center came in his final season, 1927, his only year playing for the Athletics.


Shows what happens when you rely on memory instead of going to look it up :)

-- MWE
   49. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: June 19, 2018 at 05:35 PM (#5695586)
Ortiz had ~1750 DH games for Boston. Hal McRae had 1426 for KC. Edgar had 1403 for Seattle. Big Frank had 1310 in his career divided among 3 teams.
   50. Eddo Posted: June 19, 2018 at 06:12 PM (#5695603)
Billy Williams in LF?
   51. SoSH U at work Posted: June 19, 2018 at 06:16 PM (#5695606)
Billy Williams in LF?


Too many games at other positions.
   52. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 19, 2018 at 11:51 PM (#5695857)
Shows what happens when you rely on memory instead of going to look it up :)


If you have memories of Zack Wheat's career, your memory might not be at its strongest. :)
   53. Hank Gillette Posted: June 20, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5696611)
One of the starkest contrasts between pitching quality and hitting quality I've noticed. That's a seriously good rotation.


If your ace decides to play to win.

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