Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Thursday, June 21, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-21-2018

The [Fairmont] West Virginian, June 21, 1918:

For the first time since its organization the National Commission, baseball’s court of last resort, has been defied.

Never, since the commission was founded, some 18 years ago, when the National and American Leagues decided not to war against each other, has a magnate taken issue with the rulings of the body, until Connie Mack of Philadelphia ignored the right of the commission to award the services of his young pitcher, Scott Perry, to the Boston Braves, who had claimed him.

The Braves bought Perry from Atlanta in 1917, but returned him a couple of weeks later. Then Atlanta turned around and sold him to the Athletics, but Boston freaked out, claiming they held his rights. Mack sued and got an injunction to keep Perry.

This was a huge story at the time. The NL and AL were on the brink of open warfare and there was talk of a clean break and the cancellation of the World Series. I imagine I’ll be linking to updates in the near future as this story develops.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 12:06 PM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 12:07 PM (#5696951)
Good pitching staff on today's Birthday Team. As for the position players...well, today's Birthday Team has good pitching.

C: Charlie Moore (10.3 WAR)
1B: Tom Jones (10.36 WAR)
2B: Jeff Baker (0.83 WAR)
3B: Jefry Marte (0.56 WAR)
SS: Billy Gilbert (5.63 WAR)
LF: Spencer Adams (-1.03 WAR)
CF: Randy Moore (4.39 WAR)
RF: Garrett Jones (3.02 WAR)

SP: Rick Sutcliffe (33.98 WAR)
SP/Manager: Eddie Lopat (32.17 WAR)
SP: Matt Kilroy (26.33 WAR)
SP: Donovan Osborne (5.45 WAR)
SP: Russ Van Atta (2.23 WAR)
RP: Jackie Collum (4.01 WAR)

Not that one: Red Barron
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: June 21, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5696967)
I knew the records for most errors were dominated by old timey players, but I didn't realize HOW dominated. There's a reason you never hear about the records for most errors.

The single-season record for errors by a catcher is one Nat Hicks of the 1876 New York Mutuals. Yes, from a team that played 56 games that year. He played 45, with 94 errors.

The top 341 seasons for errors by a catcher were all in 1925 or earlier. In fact, the top 100 are all in 1894 or earlier.

In a tie for 342nd with the "modern record" are John Bateman and Thurman Munson with 23.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5696980)
1978 Butch Hobson: "Hold my beer and watch this."
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5696985)
SP/Manager: Eddie Lopat (32.17 WAR)

Eddie Lopat is one of those guys who's much more significant in real life impact, that our modern value-based approach to careers indicates.

32 WAR is very good. But, he went 97-47 with a 127 ERA+, and 4-1 with a 2.60 ERA in 52 World Series innings pitched, for the Yankees, when they won 5 WS between 1948-53.
   5. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 21, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5697004)
Garrett Jones got a cup of coffee with the Twins in 2007, and hit .208. He resurfaced with the Pirates in 2009, age 28, and hit 10 homers in his first 19 games. He stuck with the team, and grossed about $15 million in the next five years or so.
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: June 21, 2018 at 01:46 PM (#5697038)
The birthday team has Spencer Adams in left field - he never played a MLB game in the outfield, with all of his appearances at second, third, and short. Perhaps you meant to put him at second, and Jeff Baker in left? Baker played most often at second, but played 36 games in left. Or bench Adams entirely, and put Matt Kilroy in left when he isn't pitching, if there isn't another outfielder who fits. He had a 72 OPS+ to Adams's 67, and played 36 games in his career in the OF.
   7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 21, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5697074)
I misread my spreadsheet - thought the shortstop appearances column was the left field appearances column. I had Kilroy in LF last year, with Adams at third, Baker at second, and Marte on the bench.
   8. eric Posted: June 21, 2018 at 02:46 PM (#5697104)
Matt Kilroy is the all-time single-season record-holder for strikeouts (as I am the all-time single-sentence record-holder for hyphenated words). He had 513 in 586 innings in 1886 as a 20-year-old.

This was a period when lots of rules were in flux. According to the SABR page that season it was no longer a rule that a pitcher had to have both feet on the ground when delivering a pitch. Hence the record, and that all the top strikeout seasons were from 1884 or 1886.

The next season with more typical rules, Kilroy had 213 strikeouts in 589 innings.

Related to a topic in yesterday's dugout, Kilroy has about a 2.3X multiple, his single-season record to his career total. That's about the same as Earl Webb, who has the record 67 doubles in one season, with only 155 in his career.

However, Webb is around 1468th in career doubles hit, according to a poster yesterday. Kilroy is 368th in career strikeouts. So the open question is: what is the record lowest career ranking for an all-time single-season record-holder?

Eg: Strikeouts, Kilroy is 368th in his career. Triples, Wilson is 113th career. Webb, Doubles, is 1468th. Is that the record lowest ranking?
   9. tolbuck Posted: June 21, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5697132)
In trying to find someone with a lower ranking than Webb I discovered John Coleman. He set three dubious single season records as a pitcher in 1883.

Coleman lost 48 games in 1883, which is 67% of his career total of 72. 72 losses sits 980th all time as of now, though Coleman will drop to 981 the next time Andrew Cashner loses a game. Derek Holland is likely to pass Coleman in the next month or so. Still, he will never come close to Webb's ranking here.

Coleman gave up 772 hits in 1883, which is 65% of his career total of 1182. 1182 hits allowed sits 1021st all time.

Finally, Coleman gave up 291 earned runs in 1883, which is 66% of his career total of 438. 438 ER allowed sits 1191st all time.

If Coleman doesn't have lower rankings than Webb, then I don't see who can. Most of the single season records are held by players who played for a long time or were players who played in the early days of baseball.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: June 21, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5697150)
I don't see the leader in any positive stats who comes close to Webb's ranking.

I guess the reverse of that would be the lowest single-season best ranking for a career record holder. The winner of that would probably be somebody like Hank Aaron or Pete Rose. Aaron's best RBI season is tied for 184th.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: June 21, 2018 at 06:08 PM (#5697281)
1B: Tom Jones (10.36 WAR)

That's unusual.
   12. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: June 21, 2018 at 09:41 PM (#5697474)
Not that one: Red Barron

Okay, I snickered.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.



<< Back to main


All News | Prime News

Old-School Newsstand

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF


Thanks to
Sheer Tim Foli
for his generous support.


You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOMNICHATTER got up early for this?!, for August 21, 2019
(36 - 10:56pm, Aug 21)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogWelcome to the Pecos League
(2 - 10:47pm, Aug 21)
Last: Der-K: at 10% emotional investment

Gonfalon CubsTaking the current temperature
(241 - 10:44pm, Aug 21)
Last: What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face?

NewsblogMike Trout hits career-high 42nd home run
(39 - 10:31pm, Aug 21)
Last: Mefisto

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - A New Season is Upon Baldrick
(545 - 10:30pm, Aug 21)
Last: Richard

NewsblogGreinke gets 200th win, pitches Astros past A’s 4-1
(42 - 10:16pm, Aug 21)
Last: baxter

NewsblogHome run robbers get praise _ and swag for spectacular plays
(18 - 9:46pm, Aug 21)
Last: Sweatpants

NewsblogMLB Down The Line Predictions Uncategorized (DO NOT USE) Could Nick Markakis be enshrined? in Cooperstown?
(44 - 8:43pm, Aug 21)
Last: DanG

NewsblogMariners manager: Hernández to rejoin rotation this weekend
(16 - 8:21pm, Aug 21)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-21-2019
(10 - 6:44pm, Aug 21)
Last: crict

NewsblogWill there be a worse MLB play this season than this Orioles blunder?
(51 - 6:43pm, Aug 21)
Last: Jose is Absurdly Unemployed

Newsblog'You're the guy with the ball to the crotch': The inside story behind the funniest baseball card
(9 - 6:40pm, Aug 21)
Last: Jose is Absurdly Unemployed

NewsblogClemens nixes political run, citing 'climate'
(22 - 6:00pm, Aug 21)
Last: Lassus

NewsblogSquirrel runs onto field to interrupt play during White Sox-Twins game
(9 - 5:23pm, Aug 21)
Last: It was something about the man-spider and sodomy,

NewsblogOT - NBA thread (Playoffs through off-season)
(6539 - 4:28pm, Aug 21)
Last: Manny Coon

Page rendered in 0.3340 seconds
46 querie(s) executed