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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-28-2018

Los Angeles Herald, June 28, 1918:

The Tigers and the Oaks played the fastest game of the year at Oakland yesterday, completing their game in 57 minutes…Ken Penner wants it distinctly understood that his first name is not Herb. His mother told him the other day that if she wanted him called “Herbie” she would have had him christened that way.

Making that announcement seems like the quickest way to get people to call you Herbie.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:06 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5701384)
Strong position players on today's Birthday Team, which they're going to need with this pitching staff.

C: Kevan Smith (0.32 WAR)
1B: Mark Grace (46.37 WAR)
2B: Brandon Phillips (31.19 WAR)
3B: Corey Koskie (24.65 WAR)
SS: Chris Speier (30.62 WAR)
LF/Manager: Don Baylor (28.46 WAR)
CF: Ken Williams (42.59 WAR)
RF: Richard Hidalgo (19.15 WAR)

SP: Al Downing (21.04 WAR)
SP: Joe Sambito (8.74 WAR)
SP: Fred Talbot (3.32 WAR)
SP: Mike Lynch (2.86 WAR)
SP: Joe Cascarella (0.72 WAR)
RP/Spare OF: Ron Mahay (7.81 WAR)
RP: Fred Gladding (6.96 WAR)

Best baseball facial hair since Rollie Fingers: Clay Zavada (0.64 WAR)
Dammit, Bob: Bob Blewett (-1.03 WAR)
Japanese 1B/RF, won a Triple Crown: Haruyasu Nakajima
Minor league outfielder, career .318/.432/.464 hitter, suddenly quit baseball for some reason: John Elway
Umpire/Author: Ron Luciano
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5701401)
SP: Al Downing (21.04 WAR)

he's the last Yankee pitcher to lead the league in K's (54 years ago)
   3. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:23 AM (#5701403)
Joe Sambito was a fine relief pitcher, but if he is your second starter, uh-oh
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5701408)
SP: Al Downing (21.04 WAR)


His name sounds like he should have played in 1890, and had a big handlebar mustache.

CF: Ken Williams (42.59 WAR)

Whereas Ken Williams feels like a 1960-70s name.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:27 AM (#5701410)
Joe Sambito made just five starts in his long career, four of them as a rookie. But one was a shutout!
   6. Man o' Schwar Posted: June 28, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5701417)
Sounds like a perfect team to use the opener strategy.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5701443)
SP: Fred Talbot (3.32 WAR)

you mean Talbert
   8. OsunaSakata Posted: June 28, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5701448)
There was a web site that rated the interest level of each day's games based on a number of factors including the starting pitchers and the overall quality of the teams. Is that site still around?
   9. BDC Posted: June 28, 2018 at 11:50 AM (#5701475)
Last night I saw Mike Minor of the Rangers retire the first 19 batters of the game. I mentioned in the chatter that that was the longest I'd ever seen a pitcher carry a no-hitter (let alone a perfect game) – in person, that is; I've seen/heard a few no-hitters on TV or radio.

I sometimes get the impression that a lot of people here have seen no-hitters; I haven't come particularly close in hundreds and hundreds of games over 54 years. But maybe it's just an artifact of being in threads where several people say they've seen one, giving the sense that it's common to have done so. What's the farthest you ever saw a no-hitter go?
   10. Batman Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5701523)
I saw Milt Wilcox come within an out of a perfect game in this game when I was a kid. I remember it being really cold and rainy, and nobody expected the White Sox would do anything that year, so the people who were there booed Jerry Hairston when he hit a single.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:30 PM (#5701531)
I saw a young Felix Hernandez have a no-hitter last until the leadoff hitter in the bottom of the 8th in 2007 at Fenway. The game was hyped beforehand as Daisuke Matsuzaka's home debut, but Felix stole the show against an excellent Sox lineup.
   12. BDC Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:54 PM (#5701563)
the people who were there booed Jerry Hairston when he hit a single

It was good to be rooting for Minor because he's a Ranger (for all of three months now). But if the San Diego pitcher had been in the same position I'd have rooted for him, I think. Partly because the Rangers are likewise going nowhere, but partly because you'd rather see the unique thing than just another midseason victory.
   13. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: June 28, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5701569)
I sometimes get the impression that a lot of people here have seen no-hitters; I haven't come particularly close in hundreds and hundreds of games over 54 years. But maybe it's just an artifact of being in threads where several people say they've seen one, giving the sense that it's common to have done so. What's the farthest you ever saw a no-hitter go?


I was at Ron Robinson's start where he retired the first 26, and had 2 strikes on batter 27. May 2, 1988. He was completely gassed in the 9th inning. Single, then a two-run hr by Tim Raines. John Franco was brought on and got the last out for the save.
   14. mathesond Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5701577)
I was at Brandon Morrow's 17K 1 hitter, with the only hit coming with 2 outs in the 9th.

I guess the next closest would have been Mark Buehrle losing to the Jays 2-0, with the Jays getting just 2 hits - both solo home runs. Halladay of course was pitching for Toronto, and the game ended in less than 2 hours.
   15. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5701585)
I've never seen a no-hitter in person, but I did see Mike Arner throw a 14-inning complete game shutout in the '97 Frontier League championship series.

Yeah, I know, Frontier League. But the guy threw a damn 14-inning shutout. Best individual sports performance I've ever witnessed - he was unhittable that night.
   16. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:28 PM (#5701606)
Never saw a no-hitter. I saw Ken Brett throw 8 perfect innings against the Padres in 1974. Broken up by Jason Kendall's daddy, Fred.
   17. Batman Posted: June 28, 2018 at 01:52 PM (#5701624)
The first Little League game I played in was a no-hitter by our guy. It made the paper and my mom kept the clipping, so I remember some of the stats. The other team's hitters didn't hit a fair ball the whole game. Our pitcher struck out 16 and two runners were out trying to advance on what would have been wild pitches. They still scored six runs on walks, HBPs, wild pitches, and passed balls. We scored 22. I was thrilled to be out there, but that game must have been torture to watch.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:12 PM (#5701646)
I once played in a softball no-hitter, by our team. Guy had a really wicked high lob going that night.
   19. Karl from NY Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:19 PM (#5701652)
Never been anywhere a no-hitter, though I've only been to about 20 big-league games. My aunt was at Johan Santana's no-hitter.

Most significant event I saw in person was Bonds' 715th HR to pass Ruth for 2nd place.
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5701653)
I once played in a softball no-hitter, by our team.
In slow pitch? wow.

I've seen a slow pitch shutout only twice, so I kind of consider that the equivalent of a no-hitter.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5701655)
In slow pitch? wow.


Yeah. It was a modified fast pitch league, so you had everything from DI women players throwing 65-70 MPH (from 45 feet), to old guys dropping the ball in with a 20 ft. arc.

It was not a perfect game. It was an umped league with BBs. I think he walked 2 or 3. It's hard to always drop those real high arcs into the zone.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5701660)
OK, I can imagine a no-hitter in that kind of format. I was imagining slow-only with also an upper limit on the arc.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5701663)
OK, I can imagine a no-hitter in that kind of format. I was imagining slow-only with also an upper limit on the arc.

No upper limit, IIRC. Only rule was you couldn't windmill. Still, some of the college women could really bring the heat. Basically anybody who hadn't played HS baseball was helpless.
   24. SandyRiver Posted: June 28, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5701672)
When I played for our town's youth league (PAL, town didn't have LL), we had a pitcher throw a PG - 17K and a foul pop to the catcher. The kid was already about 5'8" and solid at 12 (legit) and threw straight overhand rockets. Every so often he'd grip a bit too tight and bounce one 10' in front of the plate, which did not inspire comfort in the batters even though he almost never was inside/outside and never hit a batter. Once the other kids caught up to the guy's early growth, he became good, not great - as a senior was still the best athlete on our HS football team, but the margin was far less than 6 years before.
   25. Mike Webber Posted: June 28, 2018 at 03:08 PM (#5701704)
Jose Jimenez no-hitter June 25, 1999. SABR convention game, scoreless game headed into 9th inning. Randy Johnson then walked a couple and gave up a two-out single to Thomas Howard, giving AZ a 1-0 lead. Johnson allowed five hits and struck out 14. Jimenez walked 2 and struck out 8.

Probably the best game I attended until the KC wildcard victory over the A's.
   26. Hysterical & Useless Posted: June 28, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5701714)
Whereas Ken Williams feels like a 1960-70s name.


First member of the 30-30 club, if I recall correctly. His photo on BRef looks like a mug shot.

Haven't attended many MLB games, don't recall any that went specially long as no-nos. On TV, saw Jim Bunning's Father's Day perfecto against the Mets in 64, and Jack (The Jack) Morris's early season no-hitter against the White Sox in 84.*

*I'll admit I checked BRef to make sure I had the facts more or less correct; I'd remembered it as Opening Day, but it wasn't, it was April 7th, Tigers 4th game of the year. Bob Feller had thrown an Opening Day no-hitter I believe, but Morris's was the earliest calendar date anybody had accomplished it.
   27. BDC Posted: June 28, 2018 at 03:48 PM (#5701732)
The no-hitters I saw or heard broadcast were Bill Singer's (1970, radio); Rick Wise's (1971, TV), Nolan Ryan's sixth (1990, middle innings on radio and end on TV), and Kenny Rogers' perfect game (1994, radio, though I only heard part before turning it off thinking "Kenny can hold that lead" … I guess by those days I had started to go to bed pretty early).
   28. The Honorable Ardo Posted: June 28, 2018 at 05:25 PM (#5701827)
I saw Justin Verlander's first no-hitter against the Brewers in person. The game took less than two hours to play (Jeff Suppan was a hard-luck loser). It was a night game; I remember my shock, in mid-June, to be walking out of the park into bright sunshine.

It had a sliding catch by Magglio Ordonez (!) to preserve the no-hitter and, courtesy of Prince Fielder, the highest (by altitude) pop-out I've ever seen.
   29. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: June 29, 2018 at 02:17 PM (#5702280)
Maybe seen 20 games in person total, so the only two impressive feats were watching George Brett hit for the cycle against the Jays, and seeing Eddie Murray homer from both sides of the plate

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