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Wednesday, June 04, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-4-2014

Milwaukee Journal, June 4, 1914:

Armando Marsans of the Cincinnati Reds was suspended last night on a charge of causing dissension among the team. This action by Manager Herzog followed receipt of letters from the Cuban outfielder and Dave Davenport, a young pitcher, that they would quit the club unless given new contracts.
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Herzog immediately ordered both players to get out of their uniforms and off the diamond. Davenport was later excused in the belief that he was led into the matter by Marsans.

Regardless of who the ringleader was, Davenport was in the Federal League by the middle of June 1914. He had an absolutely absurd workload in the 1915 Federal League: 55 games, 46 starts, 30 complete games, 10 shutouts, 392.2 innings pitched, and 1497 batters faced while putting up a 145 ERA+. Davenport was never the same again, but to be fair, he had never been the same before.

This was the second time in two months that Herzog and Marsans got into it. This time Marsans jumped to the Federal League, playing nine games before an injunction forced him onto the sidelines pending the outcome of the Reds’ court case against him for jumping his contract. More than a year later, Marsans was permitted to rejoin the St. Louis Terriers, but the time away from baseball had apparently eroded his skills and ruined his career.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:05 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: armando marsans, buck herzog, dave davenport, dugout, federal league, history

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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:08 AM (#4718548)
An excellent defensive Birthday Team up the middle. They may have trouble scoring runs, but they've got a good punter and should be able to play a field position game.

C: Tony Pena
1B: Tim Murnane
2B: Doug Griffin
3B: Lee Magee
SS: Kurt Stillwell
LF: Terry Kennedy
CF: Darin Erstad
RF: George Watkins

SP: Bob Klinger
SP: Art Mahaffey
SP: Larry Demery
SP: Orville Jorgens
SP: J.C. Romero
RP: Cla Meredith

Manager: John McNamara
Harmonica: Phil Linz
Not that one: George Washington
Ross Grimsley's Dad: Ross Grimsley
   2. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:13 AM (#4718551)
Tonight will mark the first time New York will play Los Angeles for the Stanley Cup. There have been six other times in professional sports history where the final was between NY and LA...name them.
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:16 AM (#4718553)
'78 World Series, '81 World Series. Never in the NFL or MLS, not that MLS counts. I don't think it's ever happened in the NHL - the Kings weren't good enough pre-Gretzky, IIRC.

What was the year of the Willis Reed game in the NBA Finals? '71? That was a New York-Los Angeles series, I think.
   4. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:18 AM (#4718554)
..or, at least, if it's happened in the NFL, it was in the pre-Super Bowl era.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4718556)
69-70, 71-72, and 72-73 Knicks/Lakers and '63 Dodgers/Yanks
   6. Misirlou has S.C.M.O.D.S Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:35 AM (#4718559)
If all those are correct, then there's 7 with 77 Yanks Dodgers
   7. BochysFingers Posted: June 04, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4718562)
Terry Kennedy as an LF is hard to imagine, but sure enough, he played 218 innings there for the 1980 Cardinals. And no errors!
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 04, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4718673)
Birthday pitcher Larry Demery had four years in the majors, went 29-23 lifetime and never had a losing season, and was deservedly nicknamed "The Bullfrog." (Search reveals that I posted this exact same thing two years ago).
   9. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 04, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4718675)
I was very surprised to come up with zero results when I google searched BBTF and "coolest baseball player ever."
   10. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4718689)
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4718709)
I don't think it's ever happened in the NHL - the Kings weren't good enough pre-Gretzky, IIRC.


The Kings did face the Devils in '12, but I guess that doesn't quite count. The Nets played the Lakers in the NBA Finals too in '02 and '03.
   12. Batman Posted: June 04, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4718711)
"Coolest baseball player I've ever communicated with" is Todd Jones, according to Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond.
   13. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4718787)
I know this'll be an unpopular comment, and I agree that he's a terrible announcer, but Rex Hudler is the coolest baseball player I've ever come across.

I was always a fan of him as a player, so my mom (unbeknownst to me) sent him a letter telling him that I was a big fan. She didn't ask for anything from him - just wanted him to know how much I enjoyed watching him play. He responded by sending me a personalized autographed photo and a note. That's really cool.

Also, I've told this story before, but when I was a radio/television student in college in the Winter of '93-'94, Jerry DiPoto was coming off a great (182 ERA+) rookie season and appeared to be the Tribe's closer of the future. As a goofy 18-year-old kid, I interviewed him at the Indians' media day event in Toledo. He was extremely bright and friendly, and when we were done, he hung out and talked baseball with me for 5-10 minutes.

Stuff like that leaves an impression, particularly when I compare it to some of the...less friendly...players I met later in my TV career.
   14. esseff Posted: June 04, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4718796)
Terry Kennedy as an LF is hard to imagine, but sure enough, he played 218 innings there for the 1980 Cardinals. And no errors!


The Cardinals also tried to put Ted Simmons in left field when Kennedy first came up in September 1978. Neither catcher proved to be a viable everyday option in the outfield.
   15. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 04, 2014 at 05:08 PM (#4719116)
Neither of the starting pitchers in the Game of 6/3/84 pitches especially well - but they both pitched for quite a while (partly because it was the second game of a doubleheader which had an eventful first entry). The game was close throughout, with lead changes in each direction, and ended up being decided very late by an entirely unsurprising factor: one of the teams had one of the best players in baseball, and he came up in a big spot.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 04, 2014 at 07:33 PM (#4719246)
The Game of 6/3/14 was full of firsts: there was a first career MLB appearance, a first career homer (which was also a grand slam), and a first career extra-base hit from someone who's been in the majors for 9 years (a delay which is not as surprising as it might sound). And as a bonus, it was a really good game, with three lead changes, the last of which came in the ninth.

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