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Monday, June 09, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-9-2014

Toledo News-Bee, June 9, 1914:

CHICAGO, June 9.—Big league managers looking for scrappy players would do well to investigate the Amateur Managers’ league.

Two fire companies and a squad of police were called early on Tuesday to help the A.M. league directors decide whether the Alamos or High Mountains won last Sunday’s game, in which mounted police suppressed a riot in the seventh inning.

While the league directors were in session on Monday night, volleys of rocks came through the windows. To climax the trouble a blaze was started beneath their meeting room.

Your move, Ten Cent Beer Night.

Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 08:10 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 08:16 AM (#4721674)
Two MVPs and not much else on today's Birthday Team.

C: Tom Egan
1B: Frank McCormick
2B: Mike Fontenot
3B: Dude Esterbrook
SS: Roy Smalley the Elder
LF: Irish Meusel
CF: Randy Winn
RF: Dave Parker

SP: Mike Ryba
SP: John Fulgham
SP: 2010s Cardinals Joe Kelly
SP: Tom Edens
SP: Paul Gregory
RP: Jim Pearce

Manager/Fourth Outfielder: Bill Virdon
Fun Name: Scarborough Green
   2. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 08:17 AM (#4721675)
Oh, also, 100 years ago today a legendary ballplayer reached an important milestone, but I'll wait for the June 10 newspaper reports (tomorrow) to get into it.
   3. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 09, 2014 at 08:40 AM (#4721679)
pretty crazy game in pittsburgh yesterday. think the brewers hit the ball square maybe 3 times all game. the strike zone was the size of kenya. pirates received several free challenges/reviews because why not? clint hurdle's blood pressure easily spiked over 200/140 at least twice. yovani gallardo was left in to complete a 7th inning where he loaded the bases with less than one out and had thrown more than 110 pitches. russell martin was called out on a strike 3 that maybe was a strike to an 8 year old
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 09:43 AM (#4721712)
Remember when Manny Machado was good at baseball?
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4721730)
The Angels released OF Chevy Clarke, their first round pick from 2010. I remember being such a huge fan of his at the draft. Kid could fly. But I guess, not hit.
   6. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4721733)
In the 114-year history of the Cleveland Indians/Naps/Blues/Bronchos, only two players have both 100+ HR and 100+ SB in a Cleveland uniform.

Name them.

(Also, only two players have 100+ triples and 100+ SB as Clevelandmen. For bonus points, name them too.)
   7. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4721739)
Grady Sizemore has to be one.
   8. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4721740)
Yep. He's half of the HR/SB duo.

I should add that this isn't a trick or anything. All four of these guys are famous for being successful hitters.
   9. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4721746)
Kid could fly. But I guess, not hit.
Yeah, it's not an encouraging sign when, as a 22-year-old in the Cal League, you're hitting .173.
   10. They paved Misirlou, put up a parking lot Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4721747)
Speaker has to be a triples guy. Maybe Lajoie too?
   11. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:44 AM (#4721749)
Speaker, yes. Not Nap. The other triples guy was in the Speaker/Nap era, though.

edit: Actually, the Nap era. He predates Tris by a couple-few years.

HR: Sizemore and (someone)
3B: Speaker and (someone)
   12. Batman Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4721750)
Shin-Soo Choo would have made the 100 HR/100 SB list last year if he hadn't accidentally played for the wrong Ohio team.
   13. Steve N Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4721753)
As more evidence piles up that the easiest way to become a professional baseball player is to the related to a professional baseball player, Kyle Gaedele, Eddie Gaedel's grand nephew was in the minors at least into 2012. Haven't checked anything more recent.
   14. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4721756)
Triples guy #2 is a Hall of Famer, a Veteran's Committee choice in the '60s. Led the AL in triples and steals in 1906.

I'm more sure someone's going to get home run guy #2, even though he's not a HOFer.
   15. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4721757)
Kenny Lofton?
   16. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4721759)
Solid guess, actually, but Kenny only had 87 HR as a Tribesman.

Both of the remaining guys are outfielders.

edit to add: "Actually" refers to Kenny not being thought of as a home run guy, and certainly someone that wouldn't have come to mind for me, but who almost did hit 100 HR as an Indian.
   17. Sweatpants Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4721762)
Is the triples guy Elmer Flick?
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 09, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4721763)
The Game of 6/6/84 contained about 6.8 buckets of fun. The same player scored the first and last runs of the game, both coming after he reached on errors. That player's positional counterpart drove in all of his team's runs with one of his two career grand slams. One team's starter pitched 5 more innings than the other, yet both teams used the same number of relievers. One of those relievers had one of his 15 career hits during a go-ahead extra-inning rally. The tying run scored in the ninth on the second-to-last career double by an excellent hitter. And, arguably most enjoyable of all, one of the teams issued a horrible intentional walk and it immediately blew up in their faces.
   19. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4721766)
Yep. Speaker and Flick are the triples guys.

Sizemore and (someone) are the HR guys. I'm probably not giving too big a hint when I say that the remaining HR guy is someone I've seen play for the Indians. (I'm 38.)
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4721768)
The Game of 6/7/84 was not utterly fascinating in its own right, although it was pretty good. It did, however, feature a glimpse at several foundational pieces of a future World Series winner.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4721770)
Just for fun, here's Uehara's stats as a Red Sox pitcher, including postseason:

114 innings, 153 K's, 0.94 ERA, 0.60 WHIP.
   22. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4721771)
Joe Carter.
   23. stanmvp48 Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4721772)
Roberto Alomar?
   24. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4721775)
Joe Carter indeed.

100 HR/100 SB as Clevelandmen: Carter and Sizemore
100 3B/100 SB as Clevelandmen: Speaker and Flick
   25. Chris Fluit Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4721779)
Did Albert Belle steal any bases when he was young and presumably in good shape?
   26. Rennie's Tenet Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4721780)
You almost forget about Carter because you're so fixed on the 90s teams.
   27. Greasy Neale Heaton (Dan Lee) Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4721782)
Did Albert Belle steal any bases when he was young and presumably in good shape?
When he wanted to.

Which is a weird thing to say, but his SB totals from his first five full seasons (all under Hargrove) were 3-8-23-9-5.
   28. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4721797)
very few hitters looked BETTER at the plate than joe carter. long, lean guy with a vicious swing. just radiated 'i am DOING this' every at bat.

and then he would ground out to short, a run would score and everyone would oooh and aaaah over the at bat.

you have a guy about once a decade or so who has that hold on fans beyond his home team where the results fly in the face of how the guy LOOKS. it's a curious thing
   29. stanmvp48 Posted: June 09, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4721832)
Not good pitch selection as I recall. A non walker. Who was on deck when he hit the three run home run off Mitch Williams. Pretty sure I remeber this correctly.
   30. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: June 09, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4721854)

As more evidence piles up that the easiest way to become a professional baseball player is to the related to a professional baseball player, Kyle Gaedele, Eddie Gaedel's grand nephew was in the minors at least into 2012. Haven't checked anything more recent.


He's made it up to Double A, but his outlook isn't terribly good for further advancement (.159/.239/.329) at San Antonio. I've been pulling for him since he's a Valpo kid, and of course, because he's Eddie's kin.

   31. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 09, 2014 at 12:39 PM (#4721867)
The Game of 6/8/84 was a good one between two good teams whose playoff aspirations were doomed by the division they played in. In the meantime, however, they put up a game which never had a lead larger than a run, and in which a Hall of Fame starting pitcher went eight innings without putting the opponents down 1-2-3 in any of them, before turning the game over to someone who was transforming into one of the league's best relievers.
   32. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: June 09, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4721950)
Mitch Moreland is out for the year, too. Evidently his ankle couldn't handle the strain of carrying Prince Fielder's absence...

Really, though, what a snakebit year for them.
   33. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: June 09, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4721963)
The Game of 6/8/84 was a good one between two good teams whose playoff aspirations were doomed by the division they played in. In the meantime, however, they put up a game which never had a lead larger than a run, and in which a Hall of Fame starting pitcher went eight innings without putting the opponents down 1-2-3 in any of them, before turning the game over to someone who was transforming into one of the league's best relievers.


Jimmy Key as a LOOGY--Bobby Cox was ahead of his time.
   34. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 09, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4721972)
Jimmy Key as a LOOGY--Bobby Cox was ahead of his time.

He's played that role in at least one other Jays game I've seen this year, maybe more. Kind of odd seeing that role for a future two-time Cy Young runner-up, even if he was a struggling rookie at the time.
   35. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: June 09, 2014 at 04:02 PM (#4722054)
Since I was out of town for the weekend, I didn't have time for separate posts on the best games of all three days this year - but this one gives quick recaps of the best of Friday and Sunday, plus a full description of Saturday's best game, complete with consecutive do-or-die comebacks and a momentary referendum on an important trade from a year or so agoa.
   36. Lindor Truffles Posted: June 09, 2014 at 05:28 PM (#4722124)
100 HR/100 SB as Clevelandmen: Carter and Sizemore
100 3B/100 SB as Clevelandmen: Speaker and Flick

Really thought Averill would be on here. He split the difference with 121 3B (1st in team history) and 226 HR (4th).

Alas, only 66 SB.
   37. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: June 09, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4722129)
"Actually" refers to Kenny not being thought of as a home run guy, and certainly someone that wouldn't have come to mind for me, but who almost did hit 100 HR as an Indian.

I just figure it was hard to play in Kenny Lofton's era and not hit a dozen home runs a season, unless you were a Luis Castillo type.
   38. Lindor Truffles Posted: June 09, 2014 at 06:28 PM (#4722159)
Lofton only had six HRs in two full years at Municipal Stadium in 92-93. Hit 109 over the next decade, but only seven years with the Tribe. He was in Atlanta in '97 and started his vagabond journey in '02. Nine teams between 02-07.

Lofton was focused on basketball at the University of Arizona and hit the majors relatively late, turning 25 two months into his first full season.
   39. AndrewJ Posted: June 09, 2014 at 09:34 PM (#4722231)
Dude Esterbrook would have been in the very first generation of people nicknamed Dude.
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: June 10, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4722441)
Mitch Moreland is out for the year, too. Evidently his ankle couldn't handle the strain of carrying Prince Fielder's absence...


Even the absence of Prince Fielder weighs well over 300 pounds.

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