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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-10-2019

Washburn [Wisconsin] Times, July 10, 1919:

In a recent Memphis-Birmingham game Red Smith, Memphis catcher, out with injuries, put on a Birmingham spare uniform to work out. Then Manager Barger of Memphis called him in as a pinch hitter in the rival club’s togs. Naturally there was a protest, but Umpire Dan Pfenninger would not allow it.

I’m not sure what the umpire didn’t allow: Smith to play in the opposing team’s uniform or the protest.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 10, 2019 at 10:01 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 10, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5860658)
A shaky pitching staff on today's Birthday Team; the rotation is mostly made up of guys who began their careers as starting pitchers, struggled, and got moved to the bullpen. Maybe McAleer will have to employ a Rays-style opener strategy.

C: George Dickey (-1.7 WAR)
1B: Lee Stevens (2.0 WAR)
2B: Gene Alley (24.2 WAR)
3B: Bob Bailor (8.9 WAR)
SS: Dick Lundy (Negro Leagues legend)
LF: Hal McRae (27.9 WAR)
CF: Andre Dawson (64.8 WAR)
RF: Marty Cordova (7.7 WAR)

SP: Johnny Niggeling (18.0 WAR)
SP: Buddy Groom (6.7 WAR)
SP: Ad Liska (4.5 WAR)
SP: Will Smith (3.8 WAR)
SP: Rich Hand (3.8 WAR)
RP: Scott Alexander (2.9 WAR)

League President: John Heydler
Manager: Jimmy McAleer
Not that one: John Glenn
As an online baseball discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving him approaches 1: Tyrell Godwin
Top prospect turned One-Man Disabled List: Jesse Foppert (-0.5 WAR)
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 10, 2019 at 12:47 PM (#5860734)
Never saw Lundy, but I'd bet anything that if he and Alley were on the same team, Alley would be at short.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: July 10, 2019 at 02:01 PM (#5860776)
Two Rookies of the Year on today's team. One became a Hall of Famer and the other remained Marty Cordova.
   4. oscar madisox Posted: July 10, 2019 at 03:58 PM (#5860807)
I remember Alley as one of many good-field, no-hit shortstops in the early 70s. But he was a decent hitter early in his career, decent enough that he had 19.7 total WAR from 1965 to 1968. That's more than HOF teammates Stargell and Mazeroski produced in that time frame.

Not saying Alley was a better player, but for four years he was pretty good.
   5. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: July 10, 2019 at 04:14 PM (#5860811)
Maz' advantage over Alley is almost all due to an earlier start and more playing time. (Not that that doesn't count.) Excluding a 17 game cup of coffee Alley played from ages 23-32. Over that period he had 24.3 WAR. Average of 3.7 per 650 PA. At the same ages Maz had 27.6 WAR and 3.2 per 650 PA.

The only real difference between the two is A) a little more playing time for Maz, at a slightly lower level, and B) two all-star seasons at ages 20 and 21. On net, Maz added nothing in his post age 32 seasons: he was worth 1 WAR at 33, and -1 WAR between 34-35. Which is all a long-winded way of saying that the difference between Gene Alley and the hall of fame is Bill Mazeroski's age 20 and 21 seasons. Which is an even longer winded way of saying that Maz was a terrible hall of fame selection.
   6. Hank Gillette Posted: July 10, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5860871)
Which is an even longer winded way of saying that Maz was a terrible hall of fame selection.


I don’t disagree, but for some reason putting Mazeroski in the HOF does not offend me as much as putting in Harold Baines.

Mazeroski had the reputation at being the best ever at turning the double play, and one of the best, if not the best defensive second baseman ever. Additionally, he hit one of the most iconic home runs in the history of the game. Those are not enough to make him a worthy Hall-of-Famer, but what does anyone remember about Harold Baines?
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 10, 2019 at 10:02 PM (#5860877)
but what does anyone remember about Harold Baines?


1) Bill Veeck proclaimed him a future HOFer when he was 12 years old. Turns out he was right.

2) walk off HR to win the 25 inning game

3) Traded for Sammy Sosa
   8. Itchy Row Posted: July 10, 2019 at 10:22 PM (#5860881)
What a strange thing to be offended about.

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