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Monday, July 17, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-17-2017

Pittsburgh Press, July 17, 1917:

If agents of a mysterious independent club in the east have been dickering with George Sisler by mail, telegraph or phone, trying to get Sis to quit the Browns, their efforts have not beein received by Sisler.
...
Not only Sisler but Allan Sothoron, Tom Rogers and Earl Hamilton—these four members of the eighth-placers have received attractive offers to quit the Browns and join this mysterious independent organization in the east.
...
[Sisler:] “No one has come to me with an offer. If anyone would I would refuse it…I have not been approached and I would not consider an offer.”

Does anyone know anything about this mysterious outlaw organization? I know so little about it that I don’t even know how to look for more information.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 17, 2017 at 10:11 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 17, 2017 at 10:16 AM (#5494540)
Today's Birthday Team has as many good shortstops (three) as it has pitchers who made ten or more career starts. I put Pete Ladd in the rotation despite giving up five runs in four innings in his one career start. There weren't a lot of options; Ladd is third in career innings among pitchers who started a game and were born on July 17.

C: Eddie Fusselback (0.12 WAR)
1B: Adam Lind (11.59 WAR)
2B: Don Kessinger (8.88 WAR)
3B/Manager: Lou Boudreau (62.97 WAR)
SS: Roy McMillan (25.56 WAR)
LF: Deron Johnson (6.15 WAR)
CF: Eddie Brown (6.88 WAR)
RF: Jerry Lynch (2.61 WAR)

SP: Jason Jennings (11.36 WAR)
SP: One-Arm Daily (8.8 WAR)
SP: Pete Ladd (1.86 WAR)
SP: Chummy Gray (0.97 WAR)
SP: Jim Handiboe (0.67 WAR)
RP: Bobby Thigpen (8.03 WAR)

Second baseman in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Morimichi Takagi
Drafted by Kansas City in the fourth round of the 1979 amateur draft, didn't sign: Dan Marino
   2. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 17, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5494552)
Dan: just guessing, but if it existed the mystery club might be a company team in a war industry.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5494614)
TRIVIA QUESTION:

Who is the only manager to manage a full season* in an 8-team league and in a 14-team league?

*Why say "a full season"? Because Eddie Stanky managed one lousy game in the 1977 AL. Otherwise, I could just say who's the only guy to manage in both 8 & 14 team leagues. But one lousy game messes it up. Ah, well.
   4. RickA. Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5494615)
Ask Jon Heyman. He knows all about mystery teams trying to sign players.
   5. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:39 PM (#5494620)
Mauch?
   6. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5494624)
#5 - DING! Gene Mauch is the only guy to do it.
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:47 PM (#5494629)
Paul Richards missed by one season - he managed in the AL in 1976, the year before it expanded to 14 teams.
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:49 PM (#5494631)
My first thought was Ralph Houk. I would have guessed that he'd have missed the 14, but he started managing in the first ten-team league.
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5494632)
A lot of guys missed by one season: Danny Murtaugh, Bill Rigney, & Walter Alston also last managed in 1976.

'course Murtaugh & Alston were in the wrong league. But Rigney was in the AL in 1976.

1976 is one of the most impressive bunches of retired managers ever. Also: Red Schoendienst (not including a few interim stints while the Cards figured out who their new manager would be).
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5494651)
'course Murtaugh & Alston were in the wrong league. But Rigney was in the AL in 1976
.

Rigney managed the Giants in 1976.
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:15 PM (#5494659)
TRIVIA QUESTIONS:

(I asked #1 in the dugout already, so anyone who saw the answer there - don't answer here):

First Question: 1) In the LDS era (1995-2016), what world champion's 3 playoff opponents combined for the most regular season wins?* (In recent years, where there is the coin flip game, we'll ignore it and just look at the three main rounds. Anyone, the only coin flip game winner to become world champs - 2014 Giants - had a generic bunch of opponents, nothing especially great).

*Yeah, this is unfair to the 1995 champs, but it still ain't them if you shift to winning percentage anyway).

So.... any guesses which team had on paper the trickiest October route to the trophy?

Second question: 2) Whose opponents had the fewest wins (or worst winning percentage, in the case of 1995. And it ain't 1995 so I may as well make the Q 1996-onward)

Third question: 3) Who is the only team to beat three 95+ win clubs on their way to the title? (Not the same answer as #1).
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:15 PM (#5494660)
Rigney managed the Giants in 1976.

DAMMIT. That's what I get for going solely by memory.
   13. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5494663)
2 - 2001 Diamondbacks?

3 - 2003 Marlins?
   14. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:24 PM (#5494666)
Jose:

2: No. Arizona is one of only four teams whose 3 opponents totaled over 290 wins. So really not them. (103, 94, and 95 for their opopnents).

3. No. They beat an 88-win Cubs team in the NLCS. And a 100-win Giants team and a 101-win Yankees team. But that Cubs team messes it all up for them.
   15. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5494668)
2: No. Arizona is one of only four teams whose 3 opponents totaled over 290 wins. So really not them. (103, 94, and 95 for their opopnents).


Ah damn. I was mixing the '00 and '01 Yankees.

3 - ####### Cubs.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:28 PM (#5494674)
I believe #3 is the 2011 Cardinals.
   17. Jose is El Absurd Bronson Y Pollo Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:28 PM (#5494675)
3 - 2006 Cardinals
   18. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:45 PM (#5494689)
#16 - DING!

The Cards beat opponents 102, 96 and 96 wins. 294 wins in all. But one team beat three opponents with 298 wins (but one was under 95 wins).

As for Jose's picks on the 2016 Cubs, nope. None of their opponents won 95 games: 87, 91, 94. That combined win total of 272 is actually the third lowest in the last 21 season.

So the third question has been answered, but not the first or second ones.
   19. Nasty Nate Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:52 PM (#5494692)
1) '04 Sox
2) '07 Sox
   20. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 01:57 PM (#5494698)
#19

1) 2004 Sox? DING! 92 wins, 101 wins, and 105 wins for a total 298 wins. That's the most.
2) 2007 Sox? Nope. 280 wins (94, 96, 90).

The answer to #2 beat opponents with a combined total of 269 wins. Their best opponent had 93 wins.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5494708)
2014 Giants?

   22. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:09 PM (#5494714)
#21. Nope. The 2014 Giants are low at 275 (96, 90, 89). But not as low as 269.
   23. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5494745)
2008 Phillies.
   24. Man o' Schwar Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:36 PM (#5494747)
Or the Royals in 2015. That Mets team that beat the Cubs wasn't great (though great enough to beat the Cubs, obviously).
   25. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 02:44 PM (#5494751)
#24 - -2015 KC? DING!

They beat the 86-win Astros, the 93-win Jays, and the 90-win Mets.

269 in all.

Last year's Cubs are also among the lowest (272). That's three straight years where the champs have had comparitively easy opponents, compared to normal.
   26. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 17, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5494765)
Last year's Cubs are also among the lowest (272). That's three straight years where the champs have had comparitively easy opponents, compared to normal.


A lot of that is due to circumstances. Well, it all is, you have no choice in who you play. But what I mean, if everything fell right, the Cubs still wouldn't have had a very strong opposition, win wise. Both WC teams won 87. They could have played the Nats (95 wins) instead of the Dodgers, and the Rangers (95 wins) instead of the Indians, but that gets them to only 277. The Royals could have played the Yankees (87 wins) instead of the Astros, and the Cardinals (100) instead of the Mets, but that gets them to only 279.

This metric is biased against WS winners that have the best record in their league, as they will (usually) have a weak first round opponent.
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2017 at 03:13 PM (#5494776)
Had the '98 Padres pulled off their miracle upset, they would've topped 3 teams with 319 wins.
   28. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: July 17, 2017 at 03:20 PM (#5494786)
Had the Yankees beaten the Diamondbacks (and they were 3 outs away with the greatest closer in history in his prime on the mound), they would have had 310.

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