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Monday, July 21, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-21-2014

Milwaukee Journal, July 21, 1914:

President Frank E. Murphy of the Green Bay club, in a letter to President Frank R. Weeks of the W-I League on Monday, demanded that punishment be meted out to Catcher Snow of the Oshkosh club for throwing chewing tobacco into the grandstand during Saturday’s game.
...
In the affidavit it is declared the tobacco hit several women in the stand.

I guess it’s better than getting hit by a flying chair.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 06:33 AM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 06:38 AM (#4754988)
Nice Birthday Team today. It's unusual to have four genuinely good starting infielders.

C: John Bateman
1B: Perry Werden
2B/Manager: Johnny Evers
3B: Denis Menke
SS: Mike Bordick
LF: Howie Shanks
CF: Dave Henderson
RF: Geoff Jenkins

SP: CC Sabathia
SP: Moe Drabowsky
SP: Irv Young
SP: Ray Keating
SP: Wei-Yin Chen
RP: Al Hrabosky

General Manager: John Hart
Fun Name: Kimera Bartee
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 07:58 AM (#4754998)
The Game of 7/18/14 and the Game of 7/19/14 had a lot in common - they both went to extra innings, they involved the same two teams, and their final scores were the same (if reversed). Outside of that, they were actually surprisingly different.
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 08:07 AM (#4755001)
The Game of 7/18/84 was... well, it was great. It features a pitcher making his third GotD appearance of the year, despite the fact that he only pitched in 6 games all season. It also had a 1-2 lineup combination that was extraordinarily potent in the game, a long-time catcher hitting his best-timed grand slam, and possibly the least-likely multi-triple game in the history of baseball.
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 21, 2014 at 08:19 AM (#4755004)
Birthday starter Moe Drabowsky relieved early in Game 1 of the 1966 Series, shut the door on the Dodgers, and started a long string of scoreless innings that ended with an Oriole sweep. I was a young kid then, but it seems in hindsight that, (1) it was a really shocking result; and (2) the shock has almost been forgotten. Assuming that's right, my guess would be that it's been forgotten because of the directions the teams took in the next few years?
   5. Batman Posted: July 21, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4755009)
I especially like the 1984 game recaps because they usually remind me of a couple of guys I haven't thought about since 1984. I do think about Atlee Hammaker more than is probably healthy, but today I learned Yan Gomes is his son-in-law.
   6. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 08:43 AM (#4755010)
The Game of 7/19/84 included a number of lead changes that featured a number of good players. It had one guy produce two one-man runs in completely different ways. And it had two key hitters who may have been the two least-likely options as key hitters in the game.
   7. salvomania Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:21 AM (#4755046)
Birthday starter Moe Drabowsky relieved early in Game 1 of the 1966 Series,

Not only did he relieve early, he also struck out six straight batters en route to a record 11 K's in a single postseason relief appearance.
   8. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM (#4755055)
Dave Henderson is on the following list of unexpected guys who played second base for Tony La Russa:

Allen Craig
Albert Pujols
Gary Gaetti
Dwayne Murphy
Skip Schumaker
Scott Spiezio
Carney Lansford
Brian Giles
Stan Javier
Scott Brosius
Chet Lemon
Jorge Orta
Kevin Seitzer
Tony Cruz
   9. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4755065)
That's a neat list, Davo. I'd think that, given an opportunity, defensive aces like Dwayne Murphy and Chet Lemon could have been fine second basemen.

Carney Lansford, though...*shudder*

Also, the Brian Giles who played 2B for LaRussa was an honest-to-gosh middle infielder and not the walk-happy slugger from ten years ago.
   10. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4755071)
I'd love to know the story behind Murphy's one career appearance at second base. With a ten run lead in the ninth, LaRussa pulled Mike Gallego, moved Murphy from CF to 2B, and brought Mike Davis in to play the outfield.

Gallego doesn't appear to have been injured because he played the next day. The one newspaper recap I've found doesn't mention Murphy at second base. It almost seems like TLR was just screwin' around because why not?
   11. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4755074)
Also, the Brian Giles who played 2B for LaRussa was an honest-to-gosh middle infielder and not the walk-happy slugger from ten years ago.
Oh, whoops, my bad!
   12. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4755079)
Yesterday we learned in a Padres thread that the first catcher to strike out 100 times in a season was a member of the 1963 Colt 45s. So that leads to today's trivia quiz!

C 1963 Houston
1B 1910 Boston
2b 1961 Detroit
3b 1934 StL B
SS 1937 NYA
RF 1904 Brooklyn
CF 1905 A's
OF 1906 Brooklyn Billy Malone
LF 1940 BSN

FL 1914 KC P Grover Gilmore 


The third outfielder to strike out 100 times in a season was Billy Malone who I know zero about. The first player that was primarily a leftfielder didn't pop up until 1940, so we will use him instead. The only Federal Leaguer to K 100 time in a season was Grover Gilmore, who is also a cipher to me despite him being a Kansas City player.

No pitcher has struck out 100 times in a season.
   13. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 21, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4755082)
2B - Dick MacAuliffe?
   14. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4755085)
Guesses:
2B - Dick McAuliffe
SS - Tony Lazzeri
LF - Jeff Heath
   15. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4755088)
none of those are correct.
   16. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4755089)
Oh, right, Lazzeri played second and Frankie Crosetti played shortstop.

Brainfart.
   17. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4755092)
yes on, Crosetti.
   18. BDC Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4755093)
The 1B must be Jake Stahl, who later managed the Red Sox to the 1912 world title. Pretty solid power hitter for that era, IIRC.
   19. Misirlou was a Buddhist prodigy Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4755094)
Harlond Clift for 3B
   20. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4755095)
3B - Harlond Clift?
   21. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4755102)
Yes on Stahl and Clift.
   22. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4755105)
C 1963 Houston  
1B 1910 Boston Jake  Stahl
2b 1961 Detroit  
3b 1934 StL B Harlond Clift
SS 1937 NYA Frank Crosetti
RF 1904 Brooklyn  
CF 1905 A's  
OF 1906 Brooklyn Billy  Malone
LF 1940 BSN 
   23. salvomania Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4755108)
I looked up the Detroit 2b, and don't know that I EVER would have guessed him, even with a bunch of hints.

So here are some hints: finished 6th in AL ROTY voting, led the AL in triples, 3rd in SB while also breaking double digits in homers.

However, he led the AL in K's as well as second basemen in errors.
   24. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4755110)
2b 1961 Detroit
Don Wert?
   25. salvomania Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4755111)
The catcher has to be the birthday boy, John Bateman, right?
   26. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4755121)
RF - Jimmy Sheckard? Not sure if he was still a Dodger in '04, or played right field much at all, but he's pretty much the sum of my turn-of-the-century Dodger outfielder knowledge.
   27. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4755123)
Yep, Bateman. Steve Treder mentioned yesterday in the "Padres’ Offense May Go Down as Worst Ever" thread that he was the first catcher to strike out 100 times in a season and inspired today's trivia quiz. The Birthday is a happy coincidence.
   28. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4755127)
The Game of 7/20/84 was a matchup of two extremely different rookie starters. Those differences largely dictated how the game played out - well, that, and a career high in doubles from a guy who played for 14 years.
   29. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4755130)
The Brooklyn OFer is one of those guys you run into in sim leagues where you get pick a specific year for a play, like Cy Seymour. This guy, had a 179 OPS+ in 1906, so he sorts to the top on lists in leagues like that.
   30. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4755141)
2b 1961 Detroit


Dick McAuliffe? Ed Brinkman? Aurelio Rodriguez? Which one of those guys was the 2B?
   31. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4755155)
Jake Wood.
   32. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4755156)
Dick McAuliffe? Ed Brinkman? Aurelio Rodriguez? Which one of those guys was the 2B?

None of them, apparently. I've looked up 3 of the 4 remaining answers and don't think I'd ever heard of any of them.
   33. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4755157)
I'll go with Amos Strunk as the A's center fielder.
   34. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4755160)
Jake Wood is correct, and the rest are just brutal. I don't even know what clues to give.
C 1963 Houston John Bateman
1B 1910 Boston Jake  Stahl
2b 1961 Detroit Jake  Wood
3b 1934 StL B Harlond Clift
SS 1937 NYA Frank Crosetti
RF 1904 Brooklyn  
CF 1905 A's  
OF 1906 Brooklyn Billy  Malone
LF 1940 BSN 
   35. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4755164)
Wow, not only did Jake Wood have 100 K's for the first time, he was a rookie and he broke the all-time K record with 141. Which was then broken by Killebrew the next year, and then smashed by Dave Nicholson in 1963.
   36. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4755166)
The CF for the A's: Greatest-Of-All-Time Anderson?
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4755171)
All 3 of the National League divisions are tied at the top.
   38. salvomania Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4755173)
I don't even know what clues to give.

Here's some for the CF: Until being beaned in the eye by Jesse Tannehill in 1904, which ended his season (OPS+ of 133 at the time), he was a fairly strikeout-prone hitter (14% of PA), but the next season he was over 20%, leading the league with 105, and went on to lead the league in K's two years later as the starting CF for another AL club.

He was later the starting CF for a third AL club, just missing triple-digit K's, with 94.

He led the AL in steals with 46 the year he first cracked the century mark in strikeouts, and twice more stole 30+ bases.

Although he's unrelated, best as I can tell, a fairly well-known pair of future baseball brothers--including one who is second all-time in a career counting stat---have the same last name.

   39. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4755175)
Not Goat Anderson or Amos Strunk, both those guys are too young.
   40. salvomania Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM (#4755181)
a fairly well-known pair of future baseball brothers--including one who is second all-time in a career counting stat---have the same last name.

And no, it's not Aaron.
   41. Sweatpants Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4755187)
Is the 1940 one Max West?
   42. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4755192)
I knew I had no chance of guessing the last 3 guys so I looked them up. I have heard of Mr. 1904. Just barely, apparently, because I don't know in what context I would have heard of him. He starred for a few years on awful Brooklyn teams. Then he started getting hurt, and stopped hitting, and very soon was down in the New York State League, never to return.

I haven't heard of the other 2 guys. As someone said, they will be brutal to guess. As an example of their level of fame, Mr. 1940's Wikipedia entry is 2 sentences, one of which had a large factual error. And the most interesting thing Wiki has to say about Mr. 1905 is "When playing for the Springfield Ponies in 1902, they were playing a road game against Bridgeport. [Mr. 1905] batted a ball into the outfield, which struck and killed a horse."
   43. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4755193)
I confuse Jake Wood with Gates Brown, and Gates Brown with Walt Williams, but never confuse Jake Wood with Walt Williams.
   44. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4755195)
Not Max West either.
   45. Sweatpants Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4755203)
Oh, I didn't see the hint for the Brooklyn outfielder. Is it Harry Lumley?
   46. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4755209)
It is Harry Lumley! Did you get it because you face seen him used in a sim league where you pick the season?
   47. Mike Webber Posted: July 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4755217)
Here is the complete list, if you knew Chet Ross or Danny Hoffman give yourself a Gold Star - like that other primate.

C 1963 Houston John Bateman
1B 1910 Boston Jake  Stahl
2b 1961 Detroit Jake  Wood
3b 1934 StL B Harlond Clift
SS 1937 NYA Frank Crosetti
RF 1904 Brooklyn Harry Lumley
CF 1905 A's Danny Hoffman
OF 1906 Brooklyn Billy  Malone
LF 1940 BSN Chet Ross 
   48. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 21, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4755277)
The Game of 7/20/14 featured the same two teams AGAIN, finishing off what has to be one of the best series of the year so far. In this installment, one team was incredibly efficient on offense (which really means they accomplished nothing in the innings when they didn't score). Their opponents got a catastrophic performance from one of their hitters, with a WPA that's got to be about as low as you can find for a hitter whose team won the game in regulation. They came out on top by virtue of getting a first career walkoff hit for the second time in the series.
   49. What's the realistic upside, RMc? Posted: July 21, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4755384)
I do think about Atlee Hammaker more than is probably healthy, but today I learned Yan Gomes is his son-in-law.


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