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Wednesday, July 23, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-23-2014

The [Missoula, MT] Daily Missoulian, July 23, 1914:

Grover Cleveland Alexander, a bear with the Phillies only two seasons back, has taken a hurry-up drop. In view of his poor work last season and this year his release by the Phillies had been anticipated, but it was thought he would go to a class AA organization. Instead he has been consigned to Syracuse in the New York State league

Yeah, Ol’ Pete had a really rough 1914. He only led the league in wins, innings pitched, complete games, and batters faced.

I have absolutely no idea what the author of this blurb was thinking, but Alexander didn’t pitch in the minor leagues again until 1930, when he was a washed up 43-year-old.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 06:38 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 06:43 AM (#4756148)
This is a pretty darn good Birthday Team. Two Hall of Famers, a couple impact bats in Nomar and Goodman, a stud leadoff man in Beaumont, and a top-notch game show host.

If you'd prefer to use Garciaparra at short and move Reese to third, Sport McAllister slots in at first base. I chose not to do that, though, because McPherson is a much better player than McAllister was.

C/Manager: Jimmie Wilson
1B: Nomar Garciaparra
2B: Hod Ford
3B: Dallas McPherson
SS: Pee Wee Reese
LF: Johnny Groth
CF: Ginger Beaumont
RF: Ival Goodman

SP: Don Drysdale
SP: Ray Scarborough
SP: Ed Holley
SP: Hong-Chih Kuo
SP: Lew Brockett
RP: Chuck Crim

Fun names: Sport McAllister, Tub Welch, Strick Shofner, Cy Fried
Minor leaguer/Game Show Host: Bert Convy
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 23, 2014 at 07:35 AM (#4756153)
The Game of 7/22/84 was pleasantly back-and-forth, with the eventual losing team rallying to tie or take the lead three times, and their opponents responding immediately in each case. Also, it had good games from both corner outfielders on the winning team; one of those guys had far more good games for this team than the other.
   3. BDC Posted: July 23, 2014 at 09:17 AM (#4756173)
Bert Convy had a heck of a full life, though way too short. He had a leading role in the original Broadway cast of Cabaret (the part Michael York would play in the film). He was also in the original cast of Fiddler on the Roof. In the 1950s and 60s a lot of people went from Broadway to TV rather than the other way around, which has become more and more common. I had no idea he played pro baseball.
   4. BDC Posted: July 23, 2014 at 12:02 PM (#4756247)
Meanwhile, I just got $29 face-value tickets for an Angels-Rangers game in September for $5.25 apiece on StubHub. That's even below StubHub minimum; there was some kind of extra discount.

This is fun for me, but it doesn't bode well for the Rangers. They've been selling 3M tickets a year, and the last few seasons they've been filling close to that many seats. Lots of new amenities and concessions and general high energy at the Ballpark (despite the ####### noise :) This year, it's been like rattling around a big echo chamber, and probably fixing to get emptier and emptier.

The good news is that tickets for Shin-Soo-Choo Bobblehead Night earlier in September were holding steady at about half face value. That will be a key item in many a bobblehead collection.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4756288)
It seems like I notice this once or twice a year, and it still stuns me every time: Marty Bergen got Hall of Fame votes each year from 1937-1939. Because, yeah, totally, who wouldn't want to elect a guy who had 1278 career at-bats of 72 OPS+ production? Especially when that guy's career ended early as a result of murdering his wife and children with an axe before committing suicide.

I imagine someone was just voting for people he'd heard of. I hope that's what happened, anyway, because the alternative is pretty disturbing.
   6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4756290)
Also interesting: I guess there's a great bridge player named Marty Bergen. I was searching for info on those HOF votes and found a message board on which someone just couldn't understand how Marty Bergen wasn't in the Hall of Fame.

I clicked the link in the hopes of finding a masterful (if a bit twisted) troll. Nope. Different Marty Bergen.
   7. Batman Posted: July 23, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4756292)
Alexander had lost his last two starts, giving up ten runs (half of them unearned) in 15.2 innings. Maybe that was a hurry-up drop. He pitched a ten-hit shutout on two days rest on July 25.
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4756366)
Is the Marlins' leader in all-time wins a widely-known thing? Because I just found out who it is and my brain nearly exploded.

He's got 19% more wins than the guy in second-place.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4756371)
So I don't spoil it for people who want to ponder the question I posed in #8, this is a photo of the all-time leader in wins for the Fish.
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 23, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4756374)
He's also the Marlins' leader in starts (22% ahead of #2), innings pitched (20% ahead of #2), strikeouts (20% ahead of #2), hits allowed (24% ahead of #2), and losses (33% ahead of #2). Which is simply to say, he's the only pitcher ever to be in the Marlins rotation for more than five seasons.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: July 23, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4756381)
#9 - should have done just a photo of his face. Not sure how much it would have helped me.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 23, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4756389)
Cameron Maybin suspended 25 games for amphetamines.
   13. Chris Fluit Posted: July 23, 2014 at 04:22 PM (#4756446)
Ricky Nolasco?
   14. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: July 23, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4756491)
Cameron Maybin suspended 25 games for amphetamines.
Ridiculous. Everyone knows that, unlike steroids, amphetamines don't improve performance.
   15. AndrewJ Posted: July 23, 2014 at 06:47 PM (#4756559)
Bert Convy had a heck of a full life, though way too short. He had a leading role in the original Broadway cast of Cabaret (the part Michael York would play in the film). He was also in the original cast of Fiddler on the Roof. In the 1950s and 60s a lot of people went from Broadway to TV rather than the other way around, which has become more and more common.

A lot of the old game show hosts were ex-Broadway performers -- Bobby Van, Larry Blyden, Peter Marshall, Gene Rayburn.
   16. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: July 23, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4756563)
Just as an aside, but quite a few of the castmembers of Glee got their start on Broadway--Lea Michele did Fiddler on the Roof and starred in Spring Awakening, Matthew Morrison was in Hairspray, and Jenna Ushkowtiz had done The King and I.
   17. AndrewJ Posted: July 23, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4756573)
Yeah, I saw Lea in Spring Awakening. Written by Duncan Sheik, who now has an American Psycho musical on the boards.
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 23, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4756579)
The Game of 7/22/14 had an entertaining pitching matchup - not so much in that the pitchers were especially good, but both of them can have jokes made out of their names. One of the jokes I had not heard before; the other, we have probably all heard dozens of times. Anyway, it was a really good game, thanks to some players who used to be terrific and one who still is.
   19. kthejoker Posted: July 23, 2014 at 09:04 PM (#4756636)
Trebek was also a song and dance man but not on Broadway. Chuck Woolery was a country singer.
   20. BDC Posted: July 23, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4756638)
Peter Marshall is interesting in that his greatest stage success, La Cage aux Folles, was after his game-show days. Significant baseball connection, too ...

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