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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-25-2014

Bennington [Vermont] Evening Banner, July 25, 1914:

The management of the Athletics, the American League baseball club, has forbidden the further operation by newspapers or other news distributing agencies of baseball score boards on which the games in [Philadelphia] are reproduced on the street play by play. The management takes the ground that the boards are responsible for the loss of more than $1,000 a day in attendance at the ball park.
...
[Athletics president Ben Shibe:] “It is just as if everything that was taking place in theatres should be reported free to a crowd outside the house. I don’t see why the newspapers want to supply such news. Why don’t they give their papers away free? It would be just as reasonable.”

100 years later, baseball fans can use pocket devices to get free live pitch-by-pitch updates of dozens of MLB and MiLB games every day, not to mention free content from newspapers.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 25, 2014 at 07:55 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 25, 2014 at 07:58 AM (#4757421)
Not a ton of quality on today's Birthday Team in terms of position players, but an excellent pitching staff.

Tener is a fascinating guy. In addition to being a cromulent pitcher for a couple years, he also umpired during his playing career, served in Congress, was elected Governor of Pennsylvania, and spent four years as National League president.

C: Biff Pocoroba
1B/Manager: Whitey Lockman
2B: Torey Lovullo
3B: Ed Sprague Jr.
SS: Mick Kelleher
LF: Alex Presley
CF: Buddy Bradford
RF: Marv Rackley

SP: Doug Drabek
SP: Javier Vazquez
SP: John Tener
SP: Doc Reisling
SP: The other Jose Bautista
RP: Billy Wagner
RP: Guillermo Mota
RP: Larry Sherry

Player to be named later: Santiago Casilla
Not that one: Matt Williams
Beneficiary of nepotism: Marc Sullivan
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4757429)
so ryan braun hit a 445 foot shot to left center last night for a 2 run homer. i heard that buster olney is posting stories on how braun's power is down since supposedly his average ball hit to left is 260 feet or something to that effect.

i guess buster is ignoring the facts that matter while he putters with topography since braun's slugging percentage is .536 which is in the top ten of the nl. it's also true that because of a nagging thumb injury as well as a rib cage muscle injury braun early in the season was only hitting for power to right/right-center. which i thought was a credit to the guy that he could on a dime adapt to limitations and still contribute

i know folks will hold a grudge and some will always brand him scum. but i see a guy who moved to a new position to let a younger guy get on the field, has handled the transition well, kept hitting while dealing with legit injuries and hustles every day.

frankly, that's a guy i want on the team. and i think deep down almost any other fan would as well
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4757440)
Absolutely, Harv.

Braun may or may not be the sort of guy you'd want your son to become, but my team's rolling Ryan Raburn out there 4-5 days a week as a DH/corner OF. I'd love to have Ryan Braun on my ballclub, even if I don't care for some of the choices he's made off the field.
   4. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 25, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4757450)
dan

braun couldn't stand ken macha (nor could most of the players) and yet in 2010 braun kept himself in the lineup despite a wrist injury that sapped his power almost completely.

the guy is a bit of a jerk but he's also all player.
   5. Batman Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4757511)
At least "Ryan Raburn" is as close to "Ryan Braun" as you can get.
   6. Moeball Posted: July 25, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4757642)
Harveys -

Braun seems to bring out strong reactions from most people but actually he just confuses me.

Hopefully you have some historical insight?

Here's what I'm wondering:

1)Braun came up in 2007 and hit 34 HRS in only 2/3 of a season. That's a 50 HR season if it's a full year. I don't recall a single writer claiming at the time that Braun was juiced, I don't recall hearing one word about anyone having any suspicions at the time.

2)Braun got busted after the 2011 season, a year in which he showed far less power than he did in 2007. Were you hearing any rumblings of suspicions locally before he failed the test? I don't recall hearing anything on a national scale.

3)Then he gets the 2011 results overturned but then winds up in the middle of the Biogenesis scandal and gets suspended.

Do you have a sense of any actual timeline here? If the guy was clean in 2007 as most people seem to think he was, then he clearly already had tremendous power potential even un-juiced. In which case, why would he feel a need to start using? He doesn't fit the typical pattern that most people look for where there is a sudden unexplained power surge. What it looks like happened to the casual observer is that a guy who was capable of hitting 50 HRs in a season clean started juicing and was lucky to get to 40 HR. This doesn't fit the profile. Like I said, his career is actually more confusing than anything else.

At any rate - he's a heck of a player - hits for good average, has tremendous power, has shown himself to be a pretty good baserunner as well and has been a relatively decent fielder as well. He's pretty much the whole package.
   7. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 25, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4757804)
The Game of 7/24/84 was an exemplary baseball game in isolation; in context, it may have been even better, because it was a satisfying bit of revenge exerted by one of the better players of the decade.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 25, 2014 at 07:27 PM (#4757846)
The Game of 7/24/14 started out as a capital-P Pitcher's duel, and remained one to some extent throughout. The eventual winning team barely managed to score at all, getting their only run of regulation on what has to be one of the most GIF-able defensive mishaps of the year; they somehow managed to play 14 innings and leave a shockingly low number of runners on base (one that makes me curious to see "lowest LOB totals for winning teams in extra-inning games" searched on P-I, even if I already know of at least one game that will be tied for first).
   9. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 26, 2014 at 08:37 AM (#4757969)
In this game, Cincinnati won 2-1 in 10 innings without leaving a runner on base. The interesting thing is that the Reds had eight hits while doing so - and Brooklyn turned only one double play in the game, so it means that Cincy had five additional runners put out on the bases in some manner. The box score balances, so I have to believe that they truly left no runners on.

-- MWE

EDIT: Looking at the box score further I see that Dodger catcher Chief Meyers had five assists and Casey Stengel, playing RF, also had one. The DP went 2-4, so apparently it was of the strikeout/throwout variety. It looks like the Reds really did have that many runners retired on the bases.
   10. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 26, 2014 at 09:29 AM (#4757974)
moe

braun has made concerted effort to improve his control of the strike zone. he has clearly made tradeoffs to make that happen.

braun has also played through injuries. in 2010 braun was having a miserable season for a while because of a wrist injury that was more serious then the club or braun shared. some posters around here were insistent that because of the change in braun's hitting profile coupled with his 'decreasing power' that braun was on his way out.

instead, the guy was working to transform himself as a player. not just his batting approach but running the bases and improving his defense.

as for his usage i figure braun has been using off and on his entire career. i don't think it helps him hit. i think it helps him stay in the lineup. braun has a lean body type and those guys as a general rule experience more aches and pains than other players. my lowly opinion is that peds helped braun recuperate. yes in a way that helps him hit as he is healthy when he's at the plate.

   11. bobm Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4757980)
From 1914 to 2014, Only extra-inning games, Team Won, sorted by smallest LOB: Results
                                     
Rk            Date  Tm Opp   Rslt LOB
1    1970-07-20(2) CIN STL W  4-0   0
2    1917-09-03(2) CLE SLB W  7-6   0
3    1917-09-02(2) CHW DET W  6-5   0
4       1917-05-02 CIN CHC W  1-0   0
5    1916-09-18(2) CIN BRO W  2-1   0
6       1916-04-16 STL CHC W  1-0   0
7       1915-08-25 BOS DET W  2-1   0
8       1915-04-25 NEW BUF W  2-1   0
9    1914-10-04(1) IND KCP W  6-5   0
10      1914-09-20 IND BUF W  3-2   0
11      1914-09-05 SLM KCP W  3-1   0
12      1914-08-30 CHI SLM W  3-1   0
13      1914-08-26 CHI SLM W  2-1   0
14      1914-08-16 SLM BUF W  3-2   0
15      1914-08-09 CHW WSH W  2-1   0
16      1914-08-09 BUF KCP W  3-2   0
17      1914-07-24 PBS IND W  5-4   0
18      1914-07-17 KCP CHI W  3-2   0
19   1914-07-12(1) CHI IND W  6-5   0
20      1914-07-09 CHI IND W  4-3   0
21      1914-07-02 PBS BAL W  4-3   0
22      1914-06-18 CHI PBS W  3-2   0
23   1914-06-05(1) SLB DET W  6-5   0
24      1914-05-05 BUF CHI W  5-2   0
25      1914-05-01 BTT SLM W  2-1   0
Rk            Date  Tm Opp   Rslt LOB
26      1914-04-19 KCP CHI W  7-6   0
                                     
27      2013-04-07 CHW SEA W  4-3   1
28      2009-07-19 LAA OAK W  1-0   1
29      2000-04-29 OAK MIN W  6-2   1
30      1999-10-02 FLA ATL W  1-0   1
31      1994-06-10 MIN CHW W  8-6   1
32      1989-08-30 CIN STL W  2-0   1
33      1984-07-18 ATL MON W  3-2   1
34      1984-07-13 BAL CHW W  7-5   1
35      1980-05-09 TEX CHW W  2-1   1
36      1977-07-29 BOS CAL W  6-5   1
37      1974-05-28 ATL PHI W  2-1   1
38      1972-04-24 HOU CHC W  3-2   1
39      1970-09-26 BAL CLE W  7-4   1
40      1965-06-14 NYM CIN W  1-0   1
41      1963-06-13 SFG CHC W  2-1   1
42      1959-05-26 MLN PIT W  1-0   1
43      1959-05-01 CLE NYY W  4-2   1
44      1946-08-06 BSN PHI W  3-1   1
45   1937-05-31(2) CLE DET W  6-5   1
46      1931-07-27 PHA SLB W  5-4   1
47      1917-07-17 BRO STL W  2-1   1
48      1915-08-01 CHC PHI W  2-1   1
49      1915-07-15 BTT BAL W  4-2   1
50      1914-05-24 NYG STL W  8-7   1
Rk            Date  Tm Opp   Rslt LOB


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Generated 7/26/2014.
   12. greenback calls it soccer Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:36 AM (#4757988)
Hall of Fame changes are coming finally. Instead of 15 years, players will be considered for 10. The VC becomes much more powerful.
   13. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 26, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4757993)
You can't trust the LOB for the 1914 and 1915 games. I checked some of those and the box scores don't balance.

-- MWE

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