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Thursday, July 31, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-31-2014

Virginia [MN] Enterprise, July 31, 1914:


Writing on the subject a well known American athlete now abroad states there is evidence that cricket is loosing [sic] some of its popularity among English sports devotees.
“...the English appreciated the speed of our game as compared to cricket; that they marveled at the accurate throwing and catching and liked the idea of the game being completed in one afternoon instead of three days as cricket does. I am told that cricket is loosing [sic] its hold on the people, that baseball clubs have already been formed and that many have given up cricket for tennis.

If the Englishmen of 1914 thought cricket was long, drawn out, and an unnecessary waste of time that’s mostly spent accomplishing absolutely nothing, they hadn’t seen anything yet. The next four years would make a test match seem positively zippy.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:24 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4761141)
As I've mentioned before, I have a mental block which prevents me from knowing the difference between Hank Bauer and Hank Sauer. The difference today is that Hank Bauer is the manager of the Birthday Team.

C: Joe Sugden
1B: Leon Durham
2B: Larry Doyle
3B: Bob Unglaub
SS: Billy Hitchcock
LF: Gabe Kapler
CF: Vic Davalillo
RF/Manager: Hank Bauer

SP: Art Nehf
SP: Elmer Riddle
SP: Allen Russell
SP: Mike Bielecki
SP: Scott Bankhead
RP: Terry Fox

Umpire: Ted Barrett
Minor League 4C guy, helluva college football player: Chris Weinke
Not a Dickens character, but an interesting story nonetheless: Pembroke Finlayson
Mindblowingly terrible hitter: John Vukovich
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 31, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4761146)
Hopefully Joe Sugden was not married to Mollie
   3. Sweatpants Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4761293)
Since 1914 (which is as far back as BR's split finder goes), nine teams have gotten a .300 batting average and sub-.400 slugging percentage from their cleanup spot. Can you name the primary cleanup hitters on those teams?

1918 Dodgers (cleanup hitters hit .329/.365/.380): This guy won his only batting title that year. One of only two of these teams whose cleanup hitters were generally better than the rest of the league's (the other one is the final team on this list).

1920 Red Sox (.321/.408/.399): I couldn't have told you anything about this guy before looking him up. Outfielder, R/R, good bat, nomadic career - twice disappeared from the majors after posting an OPS+ over 100, including spending 1919 in Louisville after having a 132 OPS+ with the '18 Browns.

1923 Braves (.318/.345/.394): Pretty famous first baseman nearing the end of his career.

1924 Braves (.302/.322/.380): The Braves lost 100 games in 1923 and saw fit to change managers, but they kept the same guy in the cleanup spot and lost 100 games again. For the whole year, Braves cleanup batters walked 16 times, struck out 11 times, and homered once.

1928 Indians (.301/.371/.396): Only 16 strikeouts from Indians cleanup men all year. The role was split between two guys, one of whom you can probably guess already. The other one led the AL in both hits and doubles in 1930, beating out a lot of guys' big numbers.

1933 Pirates (.308/.346/.397): Only team on the list with a winning record (it helps to have five HOFers in the starting lineup). The cleanup hitter is one of the guys you'd guess from this team.

1938 Phillies (.302/.389/.374): Another guy I knew nothing about. Like the guy from 1920, he hit everywhere he played but never could stick with a team or even in the majors. His 133 OPS+ in 1938 so impressed major league baseball that he disappeared from the bigs until 1944, when most of the nation's best players were in the military. After two wartime seasons with a 163 and 123 OPS+, that was it for his career in the majors.

1939 Phillies (.308/.384/.394): Gotta give the Phillies credit - they lost 100 games in both 1938 and 1939, but they did it with different managers and different Jewish singles hitters manning the cleanup spot (to be fair, the guy from 1938 wasn't really a singles hitter).

2014 Marlins (.300/.371/.380): 75 years later and here we are. Like a few guys on this list, this guy's bounced in and out of the majors and has had trouble impressing people even when playing well. Converted singles hitter.
   4. Batman Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4761301)
1928 Indians (.301/.371/.396): Only 16 strikeouts from Indians cleanup men all year. The role was split between two guys, one of whom you can probably guess already.
Is the easy one Joe Sewell?
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:17 AM (#4761305)
The '33 Pirates- one of the Waner brothers. Probably Lloyd with Paul hitting in the #3 spot.
   6. Davo Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4761315)
Well, we know the 2014 Marlins is Casey McGehee.

1918 Dodgers must be Jake Daubert.

This seemed like the sort of list where we'd find Lu Blue's name, but I believe he spent his peak years with the Tigers, who aren't on the list.
   7. Sweatpants Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:40 AM (#4761334)
Sewell: Yes, and yes he is the easy one.

Waners: Neither one, surprisingly.

McGehee: Yes.

Daubert: Good guess, but it's not him.
   8. Batman Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4761338)
The hard part was guessing which Sewell.

Pie Traynor for the Pirates?
   9. Chris Fluit Posted: July 31, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4761346)
If it's not Daubert, how about Dolph Camilli for the Dodgers?
   10. Sweatpants Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4761363)
Traynor: Yes.
Camilli: I'm pretty sure the 1918 Dodger is more famous than either Daubert or Camilli.
   11. Davo Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM (#4761370)
1918 Dodger - Zach Wheat?
   12. Rennie's Tenet Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4761382)
Birthday starter Mike Bielecki and Alfonso Pulido combined to go 34-9 for the 1984 Hawaii Islanders. Neither got called up during the Triple A season because the Pirates led the NL in ERA, although they finished last in their division.

Vic Davalillo played in Venezuela until he was 50.
   13. Davo Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4761389)
By rBAT—”the number of runs better or worse than average the player was as a hitter”—the second best hitter on the Padres all season (after Seth Smith) has been Yangervis Solarte, whom they acquired last Tuesday.
   14. Batman Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4761399)
By rBAT—”the number of runs better or worse than average the player was as a hitter”—the second best hitter on the Padres all season (after Seth Smith) has been Yangervis Solarte, whom they acquired last Tuesday.
The third-best on last year's Marlins was anybody who didn't have a plate appearance.
   15. Sweatpants Posted: July 31, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4761441)
Wheat: Yes.
   16. Davo Posted: July 31, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4761681)
Zack Wheat: Yes.

The 6 highest slugging percentages of Wheat's career came, in order: Age 32, Age 33, Age 34, Age 35, Age 37, Age 36. He turned 32 in 1920.... one has to wonder how much better his raw numbers could have been had he spent his entire career in the "live-ball" era.
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 31, 2014 at 04:57 PM (#4761987)
The Game of 7/30/84 was a close one and went 12 innings - shocking, I know. It also featured a rather fascinating bit of managerial maneuvering that ended up being both very helpful and very harmful at different times.
   18. Sweatpants Posted: July 31, 2014 at 05:41 PM (#4762047)
Tim Hendryx
Stuffy McInnis x2
Johnny Hodapp
Phil Weintraub
Morrie Arnovich
   19. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: July 31, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4762128)
The Game of 7/30/14 featured excellent performances from two players who finished in the top 4 of the same MVP vote, and have both failed to repeat the efforts of that season. It was also a 2014-style pitcher's duel, with the exception of the fact that it featured a reminder of how bullpens pitched way back in the day.
   20. jwb Posted: August 01, 2014 at 12:20 AM (#4762281)
the difference between Hank Bauer and Hank Sauer

Easy. Bauer was a marine and was wounded on Okinawa. Sauer was with the army in Hertegen Forest. Both places offered excellent opportunities to collect on their GI life insurance policies.

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