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Monday, August 01, 2011

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-1-2011

Pittsburgh Press, August 1, 1911:

Painesville, O., August 1.—Fred White, 18 years old, first baseman for the Mohawks…was struck by a pitched ball which caused his death yesterday afternoon.

White, after being hit, finished a half inning with his team, and was just getting into a wagon to return to his home here when he dropped unconscious.

Fred White: Gamer.

Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: August 01, 2011 at 09:46 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, history, obituaries

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   1. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 01, 2011 at 12:24 PM (#3890124)
Random Brewer notes:

I wager $50 to a pile of dust that now the trade deadline has passed Betancourt reverts to form. He has been killing the ball the past two weeks, but I am obviously suspicious as to the origins of this outburst.

Yovani Gallardo has cracked three doubles over his last two starts and none of them cheapies. RR should consider him as a pinch-hitter. Seriously. Lad can hit.

The Astros kept pitching Braun low and away intermingled with a pitch at his chin and Ryan finally got it sorted out Sunday.

Greinke seems to have gotten over his early season kerfuffles. Fellow has been lights out the last few weeks though some of that may be the quality of the competition.
   2. Greg K Posted: August 01, 2011 at 12:30 PM (#3890125)
My dad said he once played a game at SS and got absolutely crushed by the LF when they both went for a pop up. He came to some time later sitting on the bench and found out he had hit a HR in the interrim.

More importantly for the world he survived and later I was born.
   3. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: August 01, 2011 at 12:33 PM (#3890128)
Greinke's strikeout rate has been crazy this year, especially for a guy who sits around 92-93 with his heater. Has he learned a new pitch or something?

<a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1943&positi>Fangraphs</a> says his swinging strike percentage has gone from 7.5% to 11.0% and he's throwing his slider a bunch more. Maybe Kranitz taught him a new grip. I'm grasping at straws here, I guess.
   4. Dag Nabbit: secretary of the World Banana Forum Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:35 PM (#3890162)
New article up at THT: Cooperstown in/out lines, going position by position trying to identify the player that most represents the borderline for what a Hall of Famer at the slot should be. (In each case, the player should be a Hall of Famer in my opinion. It's just a technique to try to begin to assess if a new candidate should be in Cooperstown or not.)
   5. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:55 PM (#3890177)
   6. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:31 PM (#3890373)
I was screwing around on Baseball-Reference.com, and discovered that the Mariners and Angels haven't actually traded players since August 29, 1979 (the infamous John Montague for Jim Anderson trade).

Question: Have any other franchises had a longer delay between being trade partners?
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3890378)
The Rockies haven't been around since 1979, but they have never made a deal of any sort with the Phillies.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:58 PM (#3890393)
Adventures in the closer role: The Pirates have lost 3 extra-innings road games in the past week. They have red-hot closer currently sporting an ERA south of 1.20, and he appeared in exactly ... zero of those 3 games.
   9. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#3890423)
Question: Have any other franchises had a longer delay between being trade partners?
I have no idea how to check this, but I can't imagine the Red Sox and Yankees have done much business.

EDIT: I figured out how to do it, and while the teams haven't made a trade since '97, there's more activity in there than you might suspect.
   10. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3890428)
Mike Stanley:

August 13, 1997: Traded by the Boston Red Sox with Randy Brown (minors) to the New York Yankees for a player to be named later and Tony Armas. The New York Yankees sent Jim Mecir (September 29, 1997) to the Boston Red Sox to complete the trade.

I believe the Sox flipped Armas for Pedro.
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:34 PM (#3890430)
I have no idea how to check this, but I can't imagine the Red Sox and Yankees have done much business.


Under each team's franchise encyclopedia, there's a (new?) button called Team Trade Histories.

The last Red Sox/Yankees trade was Mike Stanley for Tony Armas in 1997. Before that, it was Don Baylor for Mike Easler in 1986, and before that, it was Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater, in 1972. So there hasn't been a lot of activity.
   12. Cris E Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:51 PM (#3890446)
Here's the full list of MIN-KC


Trades between Minnesota Twins & Kansas City Royals

April 4, 1978: The Kansas City Royals purchased Randy Bass from the Minnesota Twins.

October 24, 1973: The Minnesota Twins traded Ken Gill (minors) to the Kansas City Royals for Tom Burgmeier.
   13. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 01, 2011 at 07:02 PM (#3890454)
Under each team's franchise encyclopedia, there's a (new?) button called Team Trade Histories.

I like it.

The White Sox don't trade within their own division much - they haven't traded with the Twins since 1986 or the Tigers since 1989, and the only transaction they've had with the Indians since 1994 is a player purchase.

They'll deal with the Royals, though.
   14. Famous Original Joe C Posted: August 01, 2011 at 07:04 PM (#3890455)
I believe the Sox flipped Armas for Pedro.

Well, Armas and then top notch prospect Carl Pavano.
   15. Greg K Posted: August 01, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3890508)
Speaking of NL Central pitchers, what's up with Cueto?
His K/9 goes down every year, but so does his ERA.

What's his 2012 line going to be? 1.05 in 190 innings with 35 Ks?

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