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Baseball Primer Newsblog— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand
Wednesday, August 10, 2011
Youngstown Vindicator, August 10, 1911: A fine deal was put through by [Youngstown] Manager Phillips Wednesday when he sold Scott, Sheer and Tate to Washington on an optional agreement with the understanding that if they make good the Steelmen are to receive a neat figure for the fast trio.
And elsewhere on the same page... East Liverpool, Aug. 10.—Hugh Tate, first baseman for the Youngstown ball team playing here Wednesday afternoon, had his right wrist shattered by being struck with a fast shoot pitched by Richie of the local team. Dr. J.L. Pyle…declared the bone in Tate’s wrist had been broken into at least ten pieces.
Probably safe to assume Washington’s interest in Tate cooled considerably at that point.
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1. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 10, 2011 at 10:36 AM (#3896931)If the Reds were any good this year, this would be a huge story. If you like baseball, you gotta love the D-Train.
Plus the usual litany of other anniversaries, including: Ruth's longest homer as a Red Sox, a 58-pitch 9-inning CG, one of the five times a Cesar Tovar single ruins what would otherwise be a no-hitter, Billy Martin beats up his own player, the worst rundown ever, a horrible defensive play by the Indians, 40-year-old Willie Stargell triples, owners and players break off talks in '94, Jeff Weaver acts like an #######, Schilling allows a record nine doubles in one game, that nasty 2010 CIN-STL fight, and my personal favorite - Nolan Ryan allowing back-to-back homers by Ozzie Guillen and Craig Grebeck.
that's baseball america's top 10 phillies prospects from the year 2007.
#1 was part of a package that was traded for cliff lee. #2 was part of a package for roy halladay. #3 and #6 were traded for joe blanton. #7 was traded for brad lidge. #8 was traded for roy oswalt. #9 for kyle lohse. #10 for john mayberry.
#4 was released this past offseason after having stagnated in A ball, and #5 has been riding the shuttle between AAA and the majors after bouncing back from multiple arm surgeries.
One in Missouri, one in Kansas.
Or I just goofed up.
BTW, the streak has lifted him to a whopping .220.
Yeah, but Rick Sweet and Ted Power aren't helping him now.
What was his deal?
One great year in Milwaukee, then off the cliff. One good year in ATL, then, cliff. Three solid years in Houston, culminating with an All-Star appearance and some downballot MVP votes . . . then the cliff.
I checked this out about 4 years ago when someone suggested that it was about KC’s turn again. I have always said once I forget how big of a pain it was to host the dang thing I’d be ready to host again. So I counted up, basically like you did to see when our turn was. I figured we were “due” in 2023.
This is the list I came up with, which is similar to Chris's only instead of counting DC/Baltimore as one, I counted them as two. Why? The Northeast thing primarily, and by 2017 (where I placed them) it will be 8 years since SABR was in DC. Even for a group as focused on the past as us, eight years seems far enough apart.
Year Town (last)
2014 Houston (never)
2015 Detroit (never)
2016 Tampa (never)
2017 Baltimore (1982)
2018 Chicago (1986)
2019 New York (1991)
2020 San Diego (1993 - 7 years since West Coast)
2021 Dallas (94)
2022 Pittsburgh (95)
2023 Kansas City (96)
Basically I just arranged them by the order they last hosted.
I agree with Chris that Pittsburgh will likely move forward with their “new” park.
Happy Birthday SABR.
I enjoyed that. Although you have the convention going to Kansas City in both 2019 and 2021. I like BBQ as much as the next fellow, but that seems like a lot.
Good stuff all around. I'll throw out a WAG that 2021 will be Cooperstown for the 50th anniversary.
Do intrasquad HR's count?
Normally I'd agree except that when the convention was in DC, we saw a game in Baltimore.
That hurts the chances of both places to host it any time soon. Are they really going to go back to Camden Yards eight years after going to Camden Yards?
Three times in his last nine games, his only hit has been an infield single.
From that same year:
Only Samardzija and Colvin are still with the organization (well, Moore is on a minor league deal after being let go by the Orioles)
#1 was dealt for Garrett Olson, #2 was lost in the Rule 5, #5 and #6 were dealt for Rich Harden, #7 was traded for Steve Traschel. #8 was released in 2008. #9 was released this spring and #10 was released in 2009.
Wow, that seems like a long time ago, doesn't it?
I thought Leo Durocher was just the manager to get Harden straightened out.
Here is the Astros.
JR Towles is the only one left, and he's in AAA. #1 was dealt a few weeks ago for four minor leaguers. #2 and #3 were dealt for Miguel Tejada. #4 was selected off waivers after the season this list came out. #5 was dealt for Chad Qualls. #7 was let go in 2009 and is currently pitching for Tijuana. #8 was dealt for Clint Barmes. #9 contracted meningitis and began having seizures and retired in 2008. #10 was dealt for Randy Wolf.
He was with the Pirates the year after that and nobody thought he was better than the other guys they periodically brought up from AAA to flounder hopelessly (Yoslan Herrera, Jason Davis, Ty Taubenheim).
Miller's still with the Indians, though he's had big issues with the middle finger on his pitching hand. Lofgren went in the Rule 5 to Milwaukee last year (and is with SF right now, I think), Trevor Crowe has been injured all year (and has been bad-to-useless every other year), Tony Sipp is a decent part of the Indians bullpen, Brian Barton went in the Rule 5 to St. Louis a few years ago, John Drennen got a 50-game substance suspension this May in AA, Scott Lewis got released last year & apparently hasn't pitched since, Brad Snyder went to the Cubs on waivers a couple of years ago, Wes Hodges stagnated in the minors, was lost on waivers, reclaimed on waivers, and subsequently released again, and David Huff has recently had a couple of very good starts for the Indians.
Interesting to note that unlike the other teams, the guys who aren't with the org. any more didn't get traded for anything, they mostly just got released cause they stunk.
#1 was dealt for Nick Swisher, #2 was dealt for Mark Teahen, #3 was dealt for Ramon Castro, #4 was dealt for cash, #5 was selected off waivers in 2008, #6 was dealt for Danny Richar, #7 as dealt for Jake Peavy, #8 is a 26 year old in AAA who pitched 5 innings for Chicago this year, #9 is a 26 year old AA pitcher, and #10 was dealt for Carlos Quentin.
1. Philip Hughes, rhp
2. Jose Tabata, of
3. Dellin Betances, rhp
4. Joba Chamberlain, rhp
5. Ian Kennedy, rhp
6. Chris Garcia, rhp
7. Tyler Clippard, rhp
8. J. Brent Cox, rhp
9. Mark Melancon, rhp
10. Brett Gardner, of
Hughes (#1) is in the Yankees' starting rotation (more or less), Tabata (#2) was dealt as part of the deal for Nady and Damaso Marte, Betances (#3) is still in the system and well-regarded, Joba (#4) is Joba, Kennedy (#5) was dealt as part of the Granderson trade, Garcia (#6) was released and is pitching in Low-A for the Nats, Clippard (#7) was dealt for Jonathan Albaladejo, Cox (#8) has had all kinds of arm problems, I'm not sure if he's in the minors or hurt or what. Melancon (#9) was dealt for Lance Berkman, he's closing for Houston--I think. And Gardner (#10) might be the best player on that list.
On the Nationals- #1, #10 (although Desmond should be in AAA)
In AAA- #2, #6
In AA- #9
Retired- #3, #4 (Casto played 82 games in the majors)
Released last month- #8 (Chico started 31 games for the team in 2007)
Traded for Elijah Dukes- #7
Not a real person- #5
EDIT: I had no idea that Esmailyn Gonzalez, who is actually Carlos Alvarez, is still in the Nationals system. He's listed as the DH for the Class A Auburn Doubledays. Bizarre to say the least...
Perkins, Slowey, Swarzak, and Casilla are contributing to the Twins this season. Garza was traded for Delmon Young, who is not. Neshek is pitching for SD, contributed a lot to the Twins, but was released after struggling after surgery. Oddly, all 6 of those players had/have public problems with the Twins management over the years. Parmalee and Bensen are both still on the radar, both hitting well in AA at age 23. Only Durbin and Kelly flamed out.
This one isn't as interesting as some of the others. The top 5 are all still in the organization, and the top 3 are contributing at the major league level. #6 was released a couple of weeks ago. #7 was let go after a terrible 2009 season and is now in AA the Royals' system. #8 was traded to the Indians before last year for a minor prospect who is no longer in baseball, reacquired in midseason for a PTBNL (and I never heard who that was), then sold to the Nationals in August. #9 is still in the organization but at age 25 has yet to pitch beyond high A. #10 was traded to the Rockies in 2009 for "future considerations" and he's also now out of baseball.
-- MWE
EDIT: Lincoln was also called up a couple of days ago.
Durbin was not really a prospect by that point. I'm surprised he was on the list.
He's on the Yankees' restricted list. He came very close to retiring last season after missing most of 2009 with shoulder problems, and my guess is that he's actually retired.
-- MWE
#1 was dealt for Matt Garza and Jason Barlett, #2 is an All-Star, #3 is majorly struggling but has been serviceable in the past, #4 is a nice middle of the rotaiton starter, #5 is an okay relieer, #6 is in the California Penal League, #7 is a nice mid-rotation starter, #8 was suspended for amphetamines and has been out of baseball since 2008, #9 is one of the best young pitchers in the game, and #10 was let go in 2008.
That's about as good as it gets.
Well, he had a 2.33 ERA in 16 AAA starts the previous year. I think they gave him the benefit of the doubt because of that, plus being stuck behind a lot of better pitchers. The Twins released him at the end of Spring training that year, so he wasn't on the list that mattered. Also, he should be on the list of players that had falling outs with management. "The Minnesota Twins: If you are a prospect that makes their way to the major leagues, we'll find a reason to dislike and bad mouth each other."
1, 2, 4 and 6 are helping the big club. Anderson and Bowden are stuck in the minors and likely never getting out in a meaningful way. Cox (#7), Johnson (9) and Place (10) were released earlier this year.
Hansen's a bit of a sad story. The Sox tried to rush him (he was called up the same year he was drafted) and was hammered during fairly lengthy stints in 2006 and 2008. A sleep apnea diagnosis was hoped to show some improvement but it didn't and he went to Pittsburgh in the Manny/Jason Bay extravaganza. He didn't work out there and I believe was diagnosed with depression and finally got released earlier this year.
And of course after the list came out the Sox signed Daisuke Matsuzaka who I believe was ranked as the #1 prospect in the game by BA when the book was released in February.
Troy Renck has tweeted that Stewart will be working on "a different bat angle" and that it's not over, but how many times can the team ship him to the Springs to work on his swing before giving up on him? At least he used to have power. He's still under .200, and has no HR's in 136 PA.
Hansen had some sort of debilitating nerve problem that seemed to be something no baseball player had ever been diagnosed with before.
Here we go. Personage-Turner syndrome. Apparently your trapezius muscle can just stop working because no nerve is telling it what to do.
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