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Thursday, August 11, 2011

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-11-2011

100-year-old newspaper war!

Youngstown Vindicator, August 10, 1911:

East Liverpool, Aug. 10.—Hugh Tate, first baseman for the Youngstown ball team playing here Wednesday afternoon, had his right wrist shattered by being struck with a fast shoot pitched by Richie of the local team.  Dr. J.L. Pyle…declared the bone in Tate’s wrist had been broken into at least ten pieces.

Not so fast, my friend.

Youngstown Vindicator, August 11, 1911:

The town of East Liverpool must be a wonderful place.  They fix shattered wrists down there in less time than it takes to shatter them.  They have some accurate and reliable newspaper men there too.  If they are asked for a story 20 hours after an incident happens they can supply you with more horrible details and deplorable predictions than an ordinary scribe could muster up in three weeks.

A telegram to Manager Phillips in Steubenville Friday after Tate’s name appeared in the line-up of Thursday’s lineup brought the following reply, “Tate played Thursday, seems all right.”

Maybe East Liverpool legend Dr. Lou cured him.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 11, 2011 at 09:16 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 11, 2011 at 09:32 AM (#3897820)
Elsewhere 100 years ago, the same Pittsburgh columnist who said the owner of the Boston NL club didn't know a ballplayer from a jack salmon chimes in with...
If there is a better pitcher in the country than Chalmers of the Phillies, Pittsburgh fans would like to see him in action as a member of the Pirate band...To my way of looking at things this Chalmers boy is a few shades better than the greatly-touted Alexander.
Take it away, Kuni.

(The column is to the left of this story.)
   2. don't ask 57i66135; he wants to hang them all Posted: August 11, 2011 at 01:27 PM (#3897879)
in case noone's noticed, the phillies are 77-40 on august 11.

in 2010, they were 63-50 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 3.
in 2009, they were 62-48 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 3.
in 2008, they were 64-54 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 5.
in 2007, they were 61-55 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 13.

now, in those 4 years, the phillies won the NL east by an average of 4 games. this year, they're already up 8.5 games. and they're only just now starting to play up to their potential. the pitching's been there all season, but the hitting has only recently started to assert itself.

since july 1, the phillies have been scoring 5.3 runs per game, which is considerably better than the 2nd best team in that split (4.7, by STL). ryan howard leads the NL in RBI despite playing like #### for extended periods. shane victorino is obliterating LHP. chase utley is playing like chase utley. hunter pence is really good, and a really good fit. jimmy rollins and carlos ruiz are both above average producers for their positions.

the offense won't be as good as 2007, but the pitching is so much more formidable that the offense doesn't have to be anywhere near that level to be championship caliber.
   3. dlf Posted: August 11, 2011 at 01:56 PM (#3897900)
in case noone's noticed, the phillies are 77-40 on august 11.

in 2010, they were 63-50 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 3.
in 2009, they were 62-48 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 3.
in 2008, they were 64-54 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 5.
in 2007, they were 61-55 on august 11, and they didn't win their 77th game until september 13.

As a fan of the 69-49 Braves -- who need a telescope to see the Phillies off in the distance -- I can assure you that folks have noticed. [hopeless fanboy]But when Hanson, Jurrjens, Jones, and McCann get healthy ... [/hopeless fanboy]
   4. Dag Nabbit at Posted: August 11, 2011 at 02:11 PM (#3897912)
New at THT Live, today is the golden anniversary of Warren Spahn's 300th win.

Then the normal litany of anniversaries and day-versaries, including: a minor leaguer killed by an on-field lightning strike, Stan Musial injures his arm, one of the greatest pitchers' duels of all time, DiMaggio benched, the Dodger seemingly wrap up the 1951 pennant, two triple steals in one game, Alvin Dark becomes the Swamp Fox, Terry Felton makes history, Barry Bonds wins a game that began before his big league career, Wilson Alvarez is ready for his close up, strike, an idiotic thing about K-Rod, and a nasty thing about K-Rod, and maybe the most gruesome baseball injury of the 21st century.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 11, 2011 at 03:38 PM (#3897978)
Hey guys!

Guess how many active pitchers are among the top 1,000 pitchers in complete games.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: August 11, 2011 at 03:52 PM (#3897996)
   7. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 11, 2011 at 05:24 PM (#3898083)
That's too small.
If Halladay (who leads among actives pitchers) is in the list, then I have to think Livan Hernandez (who is only 10 or so back) and others might make the very bottom (which is probably 20 CG or so).

I'll say...10.
   8. Chicago Joe Posted: August 11, 2011 at 05:40 PM (#3898106)
   9. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 11, 2011 at 05:55 PM (#3898119)
Is Uggla's current batting average after the 30th game of his streak (.220) the lowest in history for someone who hit for 30 games in a row? I have to believe that is the case.
I guess his average at the start of the streak (.173) also has to be the lowest for someone starting a 30+ game hitting streak.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 11, 2011 at 08:16 PM (#3898256)
To put the CG trivia into context, just 139 starts will put you in the top 1000. Steve Trachsel is 103rd all-time in GS (417).
   11. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 12, 2011 at 04:45 PM (#3898717)
I was closer, though RTG got both of 'em.
   12. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: August 12, 2011 at 05:17 PM (#3898730)
Yes, there are exactly two current pitchers among the top ONE THOUSAND pitchers in the "complete games" statistic, Roy Halladay and Livan Hernandez. Pete Vuckovich and four guys I've never heard of are tied for 997th, with 38 complete games.

I don't even see a lot of active pitchers who are likely to get to 38. Sabathia (30) definitely. Felix Hernandez (16 at age 25 already). Buehrle (27) says he's going to retire young. Cliff Lee (25) has a chance. Tim Hudson (24), AJ Burnett (21), Roy Oswalt (20)? These guys are all into their thirties already. Maybe Verlander (14) or Matt Cain (13). Dontrelle Willis actually has 15. And he's only 29. Both surprising.

Halladay is tied for 662nd with Jim Barr, Nelson Briles, Phil Collins, Paul Minner, Marty Pattin, Socks Seibold and Hub Perdue. Among the legendary pitchers with more than FOUR TIMES AS MANY complete games (that is, more than 256) are Jouett Meekin, Red Ehret, Pink Hawley, Matt Kilroy, Ted Breitenstein, and Frank Dwyer. I think 90% of the top hundred in complete games were born before the Hayes administration. The number of living pitchers who've completed 100 games is probably lower than the number of ex-Detroit Wolverines who've completed 200 games.
   13. BDC Posted: August 12, 2011 at 05:31 PM (#3898737)
Although with his last CG, Halladay did pass Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy on the career list :)

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