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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-12-2014

El Paso Herald, August 12, 1914:

If John McGraw isn’t careful he’ll wake up some morning to find that “Big Jeff” Tesreau has jumped the Giants and taken a job in the “White Hope” league.
...
But fate so far has ruled against Tesreau becoming a pugilist and it seems that fate will continue so to rule, assisted by Mrs. Tesreau, who is very much opposed to “Jeff’s” pugilistic ideas.

“Jeff” yearns to bring back to the white race the crown that Jack Johnson snatched from Jeffries.

He didn’t, obviously. After a couple of poor seasons in 1916 and 1917, Tesreau left the Giants in the middle of the 1918 season to take a wartime job at Bethlehem Steel. He became a coach at Dartmouth College in 1919 and stayed there the rest of his life. (Hat tip to Tesreau’s SABR Bio, written by R.J. Lesch.)

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 06:49 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 06:51 AM (#4769172)
Good starting rotation on today's Birthday Team, which is good because they aren't going to score a ton of runs.

C: Ray Schalk
1B: Don Hurst
2B: Luis Ordaz
3B: Harlond Clift
SS: Zack Cozart
LF: Jose Tabata
CF: Lew Ford
RF: Dan Lally

SP: Christy Mathewson
SP/Manager: Fred Hutchinson
SP: Bob Buhl
SP: Matt Clement
SP: Ken McBride
RP: Barry Manuel

Fun Names: Urbano Lugo, Pony Sager, Skinny Graham
Born in Gassaway, TN: Charlie Gassaway
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 12, 2014 at 07:28 AM (#4769175)
The Game of 8/11/84 was a terrific one, with four ties/lead changes in the last three innings. It was also a near-career effort from a pretty good player who participated in exactly 1800 games.
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:10 AM (#4769234)
I think that I was maybe vaguely aware that Mike Zunino existed, but I'm certain I didn't realize that he's got an shot to hit 30 home runs, strike out 180 times, and walk less than 25 times this season.

edit to add: ...and put up a league-average OPS+ while on-basing below .270.
   4. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4769239)
30 years ago today.

Ejections: Kurt Bevacqua by Steve Rippley [Fighting]; Greg Booker
by Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Bobby Brown by Steve Rippley [Fighting];
Tim Flannery by Steve Rippley [Fighting]; Rich Gossage by Steve Rippley [Fighting];
SD Coach Jack Krol by Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Craig Lefferts by
Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Graig Nettles by Steve Rippley [Charging
mound]; Champ Summers by Steve Rippley [Fighting]; SD Coach Ozzie Virgil by
Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Ed Whitson by Steve Rippley [Throwing at
batter]; SD Manager Dick Williams by Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Steve
Bedrosian by Steve Rippley [Fighting]; Rick Mahler by Steve Rippley [Fighting];
Donnie Moore by Steve Rippley [Throwing at batter]; Gerald Perry by Steve Rippley
[Fighting]; ATL Manager Joe Torre by Steve Rippley [Beanball war]
   5. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:14 AM (#4769240)
...believe it or not.
   6. Batman Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:17 AM (#4769246)
I'd like to think Ed Whitson has put a shirt on since then.
   7. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM (#4769249)
I'm sort of disappointed to learn that Bob Horner wasn't ejected. He gets involved in one fight despite being on the disabled list.

Would have been cool to have a guy ejected from a game in which he couldn't have played anyway.

edit:I guess Horner's fight wasn't the last one. Tough to keep them straight.
   8. BDC Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4769256)
The revival of a handedness thread yesterday got me thinking: which Hall of Famers batted right but threw left?

There are five. I'll give as hints the team they played for at the midpoint of their careers. In all cases it's also the team on their HOF-plaque cap, except the 1904 guy who wears a generic cap; but he was centrally associated with the A's.

1904 Athletics
1923 Reds
1936 Giants
1961 Dodgers
1991 Athletics
   9. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM (#4769258)
Is '91 Athletics guy Rickey! ?
   10. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4769260)
Is there edited video of the game beanbrawl game from 30 years ago with the various events strung together?
   11. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4769261)
   12. Batman Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:26 AM (#4769264)
Both managers are in the Hall of Fame now. It started with Perez hitting Wiggins, and they're both dead.
   13. BDC Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4769265)
Rickey Henderson, yes, for the '91 A's.
   14. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4769271)
1880 CHC, after winning its first 21 home games of the year, finally loses one
1880 Christy Mathewson born
1892 Ray Schalk born
1896 MLB debut: Nap Lajoie
1899 LOU's Eclipse Park burns down. They'll try to make do w/ a temporary grandstand
1903 Sam Mertes, NYG, walks 5 times in 14-4 win over STL
1907 Ed Walsh has 11 assists in BOX 5, CWS 3 loss
1912 Cobb attacked by 3 men on his way to game: knifed in shoulder, he catches, pistol whips one & reportedly kills him
1912 Harlond Clift born
1916 Sporting News announces Charles Wegham will be 1st 2 allow fans 2 keep balls hit into the stands
1919 Fred Hutchinson born
1922 2,000 wins a:s manager: John McGraw (2,000-1358). First to get there
1925 MLB debut Freddie Fitzsimmons
1928 Bob Buhl, worst hitting pitcher ever, born
1929 Reading Keystones OF George Qullich gets his 15th straight hit: organized baseball record
1934 500 doubles: Babe Ruth. In his last game in Fenway. Tips cap to fans when leaves in 6th inning
1934 after Dean bros lose both ends of DH they refuse to go to Detroit for an exhibition game. Diz destroys his uniform, earning a 10 games suspension (reduced to 7 games)
1934 MLB debut: George Selkirk
1936 World amateurs 6, US amateurs 5 in Berlin Olympics before 90,000 to 125,000
1938 3,000 wins as manager: Connie Mack (3,000-2,871)
1938 500 doubles: Al Simmons
1938 WAS releases Wes Ferrell
1940 Ernest Lawrence Thayer, author of Casey at the Bat, dies at age 77
1941 Allile Reynolds, 17 Ks for Cedar Rapids vs Madison
1943 For the 1st time since 9/2/22, the NYY have no HoF play for them in the game
1943 Joe Cronin hits his 5th pinch hit HR of the year. He has zero pinch hit HR outside this year. In 1943, zero non-pinch hit HR
1945 Walk-off homer by pitcher: Jim Tobin hits it
1946 by going 4-for-4, Stan Musial has now gone 12-13 over 3 games in 2 days
1948 14 different Indians get hits (record) in 26-3 win vs. Browns.
1952 MLB debut: Stu Miller
1952 Texas League game between Ft. Worth & Beaumont stopped for several minutes by seagulls landing on the field
1956 White Sox hit .500: been over it ever since: 4,210-4,210
1961 Harry Colliflower dies. Only one 1899 Spider left: Sport McAllister
1963 Stan Musial announces he'll retire at the end of the season
1964 MLB debut: Mel Stottlemyre born
1966 Best known WPA game by CIN bat: Art Shamsky: 1.503. 3-for-3, 3 HR, 3 runs, 5 RBI. PIT 14, CIN 11 (they lost!). He hit two extra-inning homers
1966 BEST WPA game 1 batter has on record: ART SHAMSKY: 3-for-3, 3 HR, 5 RBI. 1.503 WPA. Team LOSES 14-11
1966 CAL purchases Aurelio Rodriquez from Jalisco (Mexican League)
1966 Pirates 14, Reds 11 (10): game features 11 homers
1969 Joe Pepitone, NYY, goes AWOL, citing personal problems
1970 Bob Gibson's longest start: 14 IP, 13 H, 4 R/ER, 2 BB, 13 K. CG W. Game takes 3 hours 16 minutes
1970 HOU releases Jim Bouton
1970 Judge Irving Ben Cooper rules against Curt Flood in his suit w/ Bowie Kuhn
1970 MLB debut: Charlie Hough
1973 OAK 13, NYY 12: 6 runs in 7th inning to rally for the victory
1974 2st of 3 times in 1974 (& four times overall) Ryan fans 19 in a game. Only time he ever does it in nine innings
1974 Frank Robinson, now on Angels, walks four times in the game, only time he does it. 4 PA
1974 Matt Clement born
1974 Ted Sizemore becomes 1st STL in 23 years to walk 5 times in one game. Then happens 32 days later (Reggie Smith)
1977 WAS/MIN franchise record 474 games under .500, their peak as Twins (number includes record from WAS days as well)
1978 Tony Perez w/ his first SH since 1969
1979 NYM trades Willie Montanez to TEX for Mik Jorgeson and Ed Lynch
1981 200 losses: Ferguson Jenkins: (263-200)
1984 Pascual Perez game: one of ugliest beanballs ever. Ejected - 10 to 12. See retrosheet for full list. Cops on dugouts at end. ATL-SDP
1986 CWS signs Steve Carlton as free agent
1987 ATL trades Doyle Alexander to DET for John Smoltz
1988 BOX win their 23rd straight home game
1991 Barry Bonds hits his 2nd of 10 walk off HR. Best WPA for any of his homers: 0.805
1991 Chris Owings born
1991 WPA's favorite Barry Bonds game: 1.119 WPA. 2-for-4 w/ 2 R, 2 HR, 4 HR, 1 BB, 1 SB, 1 GIDP. PIT 4, STL 3
1993 2,000 hits: Tim Raines: 1,775 games
1993 owners say they won't lock out the players next year
1995 LA 11, PIT 10 (11). Game ends when catcher picks up pitch rolled a foot fr the plate w/ his mask. Can't do that by rules - lead runner allowed to score
1995 MLB debut: Johnny Damon
1997 FLO trades Rick Helling to TEX for Ed Vosberg
1998 100 homers: Alex Rodriquez
1998 Yanks beat Twins 11-2, pushing Joe Torre's career record to 1,169-1,168. It's always been over .500 since then
1999 MIL fire manager Phil Garner
2001 Greg Maddux, ATL, allows a walk, after 72.1 IP w/out one. IW to Steve Finley
2001 Yankee franchise record hits 2,000 games over .500. Been over ever since: 8,758-6,758
2002 Enos Slaughter dies
2003 ATL unveils statue of Warren Spahn outside Turner Field
2003 Pat Gillick resigns from SEA
2007 Curt Schilling's longest outing w/out any Ks: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K
2007 Magglio Ordonez, DET, homers twice in one inning
2008 Red Sox 19, Rangers 17. Scott Feldman, TEX, becomes 1st pitcher in 90 years & 9 days to allows 12 runs w/out losing.
2009 jackass at Wrigley throws his drink on Shane Victorino. Also: Pedro Martinez's Philly debut
2010 Dodgers blow 7-run 8th-inning lead to Phillies. PHI 10, LAD 9
2010 MLB owners unanimously approve sale of TEX to Chuck Greenberg/Nolan Ryan group
2011 Carlos Zambrano, CHC, ejected for throwing at Chipper Jones. Then cleans out locker, says he's retiring
2011 former ATL announcer Ernie Johnson dies
2012 AJ Pierzysnki scores from first on a routine GO to SS. Advances to 2B on roller, to third because C slow covering it, H because pitcher not there
2013 1,000 wins as manager: Charlie Manuel: 1,000-824
   15. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4769272)
1904 Athletics
This almost has to be a pitcher, because it's not a catcher, the Collins/Baker infield hadn't happened yet, and they didn't have any HOF outfielders before Simmons.

Waddell?
   16. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4769275)
1961 Harry Colliflower dies.
In an awful coincidence, it was from food poisoning after eating hairy cauliflower.
   17. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4769276)
1961 Dodgers
Koufax?
   18. BDC Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4769284)
Waddell and Koufax are correct. Two to go, the 1920s Red and the 1930s Giant.
   19. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4769285)
Eppa Rixey?
   20. Dag is a salt water fish in fresh water world Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4769288)
1936 Giants: Mel Ott?

Or is it Carl Hubbell?

Gotta be one of those two.
   21. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4769295)
...believe it or not.


The tough part is believing that Bevacqua was still around in 1984.
   22. BDC Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4769297)
Rixey and Hubbell are correct. (Ott batted left, threw right.)

It's an interesting question because except for pitchers, where nobody cares if you hit, there isn't really much going for a BR/TL player, and there haven't been many outstanding position players with that combination. I was going to ask the top ten or so in career WAR for position players BR/TL, but it's an obscure bunch. Cody Ross and Ryan Ludwick are on the list, and they're a significant percentage of the whole set of games played in the majors by BR/TL position players. The most famous ones aside from Rickey are Hal Chase and Cleon Jones. Jimmy Ryan and Rube Bressler are the other notables, from long ago.

Among pitchers, though, there are tons and tons. Randy Johnson is one of them and will join the HOF list some day. Tommy John, Jerry Koosman, Ken Holtzman, Bobby Shantz, etc. etc. etc.
   23. Batman Posted: August 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4769304)
Mike Hampton is third in WAA among BR/TL hitters. He's compared to pitchers, while Rickey and Jimmy Ryan are compared to outfielders, but that's still pretty impressive.
   24. esseff Posted: August 12, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4769334)
Mark Carreon is another BR/TL from not too long ago who had more than 2,000 major-league PAs. In the '70s, and with a shorter career, there was Expos 1B Hal Breeden.
   25. Born1951 Posted: August 12, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4769356)
Looking at yesterday's Tigers game, I wonder if the next day's starting pitcher has ever gone only one inning following a 19-inning game.
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 12, 2014 at 12:38 PM (#4769391)
So we're in the middle of August, and last year's MLB champion Boston Red Sox are in last place, 15.5 games out, and last year's NPB champion Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles are in last place, 23 games out...
   27. Moeball Posted: August 12, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4769549)
Looking at yesterday's Tigers game, I wonder if the next day's starting pitcher has ever gone only one inning following a 19-inning game.


Reminds me of a bizarre game I went to one time, long ago in a galaxy far away, or so it seemed.

On 6/21/86 the Padres played a 14-inning affair against the Dodgers, and wiped out much of the bullpen in the process.

On 6/22/86 they only went 9, but the starter (Mark Thurmond) was only able to go 4 innings, so again the bullpen got worked pretty hard.

Come 6/23/86, they were up in San Francisco to play the Giants, and LaMarr Hoyt (in his very last season, and it showed) was on the hill. Hoyt had absolutely nothing on the ball at all and struggled right from the get-go, allowing 7 hits and 5 runs in the first inning alone, and only one out recorded at that point on a sac fly resulting from a well hit fly ball. So every batter to that point had hit him pretty well, even the one out made. The hilarious part was that my seats were on the third base side at Candlestick right by the dugout and I could see Hoyt looking into the Padres dugout and gesturing frantically, as if to say "Hey, coach, I've got nothing out here, you gotta come get me outta here!" Meanwhile, manager Dick Williams was up on the top step coming out of the dugout, and you could hear him swearing back at Hoyt, basically saying "You made this bed, you lie in it! The bullpen's already wiped out from the last couple of games, you have to stay in there!" So Hoyt stayed out there, finally getting out of the first inning.

By the fourth inning Hoyt had allowed 13 hits and 9 runs to cross the plate - even the opposing pitcher (Mike LaCoss) had joined in the fun, doubling home a run - and finally Williams took pity on LaMarr and pulled him. You should have seen that trip out to the mound - it was clear Williams really didn't want to have to do this - they had quite an animated discussion out on the mound, too, believe me!

Padres wound up losing this game 18-1!
   28. Moeball Posted: August 12, 2014 at 02:22 PM (#4769553)
My favorite part of the Padres-Braves melee 30 years ago was that Champ Summers was getting into it with Braves fans, because apparently he had run out of Braves players to fight with...
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 12, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4769587)
The Rockies and Dodgers played a 13-inning, 8-7 game on April 25, 2008, and the Rockies ended up using seven pitchers. The next day (and it was a day game after a night game), Rockies starter Mark Redman went out and gave up 10 runs in the first inning. And this was at Dodger Stadium, not Coors. But Clint Hurdle didn't pull him, and Redman pitched five more scoreless innings after that first inning.

Like in the Hoyt game Moeball describes, Redman was just about done. He had four more starts left in his career.
   30. Batman Posted: August 12, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4769591)
Pascual Perez pitched 1.1 innings in the game after the Rick Camp game. Three Braves relievers gave up three hits and one run over 7.2 innings, but Rick Aguilera threw a complete game and the Mets won 6-1
   31. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 12, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4769796)
The Game of 8/11/14 did not last nineteen innings, which would be a letdown after the last two days if the game wasn't easily fun enough to make up for it. The two starting pitchers were once traded by the same team in the same trade; even though that was less than 3 years ago, neither of them still pitches for the team that acquired them both. Both starting center fielders are 23 years old, and they combined for 7 hits. One team featured a reliever who appears to be taking on a role that almost nobody else has any more. And the game-winning hit capped a vintage performance from an apparently fading superstar.

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