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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-13-2018

Toledo News-Bee, August 13, 1918:

[Reds owner] August Herrmann and Hal Chase held a conference today and the great first baseman was duly warned as to the nature of the charges against him. The charges resulted in his recent suspension.

“I wish to tell you, Mr. Chase,” said Mr. Herrmann, “that charges have been brought against you affecting your integrity as a ball player. These charges shall be submitted to the National League for due consideration and till the league has acted your suspension will have to stand. I sincerely trust that all charges will prove baseless and unfounded, both for your sake and the honor of the game.”
“Very well, Mr. Herrmann,” the ball player answered, “I’ll be glad to read [the charges] and am confident that I can disprove them.”

I’m…less confident that Chase can disprove the charges.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:04 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5725664)
Yet another strong Birthday Team today.

C: Fatty Briody (4.11 WAR)
1B: Andre Thornton (24.16 WAR)
2B: Mark Lemke (6.12 WAR)
3B: Sid Gordon (38.59 WAR)
SS: George Perring (7.23 WAR)
LF: Jay Buhner (22.98 WAR)
CF: Corey Patterson (9.74 WAR)
RF/Manager: Fielder Jones (43.19 WAR)

SP: Alex Fernandez (28.55 WAR)
SP: Jarrod Washburn (28.2 WAR)
SP: Mudcat Grant (21.12 WAR)
SP: Jim Shaw (17.88 WAR)
SP: Vinegar Bend Mizell (14.79 WAR)
RP: Tom Niedenfuer (10.34 WAR)

Bench bat: Randal Grichuk (8.11 WAR)
Caligula's favorite ballplayer: Roman Colon (-0.35 WAR)
Fun names: Limb McKenry, Hercules Burnett, Randy Messenger, Bob Giggie, Kemp Wicker, Cotton Knaupp, Wingo Anderson
Hitter of grand slams: Tony Cloninger (4.94 WAR)
Owners: Charles DeWitt, Daniel McCarthy
Top prospect: Taijuan Walker (5.92 WAR)
Umpires: Jerry Neudecker, Jerry Crawford, Kevin Causey
   2. Dag Nabbit at Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM (#5725690)
1871 Fielder Jones, actually his name, born
1897 Clark Griffith pitches his first shutout after 7 seaons in the bigs. He reputedly considers them to be bad luck
1906 Jack Taylor of Cubs knocked out in the 3rd vs. Brk - ending his streak at 187 CG
1908 Cy Young Day in BOX: briefly faces All-Star tem w/ Chesbro, Chase, Keeler, H.Davis, G.Mullin. Given a Loving Cup. 20,000 attend
1913 Cubs acquire Hippo Vaughn from KC in AA for pitcher Lew Richie
1926 PIT release Babe Adams & Carson Bigbee & place Max Carey on waives - wehre BRK immediately selects him
1926 PIT players request that Fred Clarke not be permitted to sit on the bench: what causes Adams, Bigbee & Carey to be dumped
1930 MLB debut: Tommy Bridges
1931 Red Lucas, Cin, begins stretch of 250 straight IP w/out being relieved (ends 7/15/32)
1931 Goose Goslin gets 2B, 3B, & HR - but no single, so misses his 2nd career cycle
1932 Red Ruffing’s best Game Score: 96. His line: 10 IP, 3H, 0R, 0ER, 2BB, 12K (ties K high). NYY 1, WAS 0 - Ruffing HR to win it
1932 Judge Landis clears recently fired Cubs manager Rogers Hornsby of fraudulently “borrowing” $ from CHC players
1933 DET 6, CWS 5 (17). Ted Lyons: 9 IP in relief, loses. Vic Sorrell: 17 IP, 17 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 4 BB, 5 K - wins
1934 Dean brothers refuse to make trip to DET for exhibibiton game for STL vs the Tigers. Dizzy fined $100, Paul $50
1935 Mudcat Grant born
1939 NYY pound A’s 21-0 in 8 innings, tying AL record for most lopsided shutout
1945 Branch Rickey, Walter O’Malley, John L. Smith buy controlling intrst in Brkn
1947 Willard Brown: 1st HR to a black in AL history. Inside-the-park one off of Hal Newhouser only insider he ever allows & only pinch hit 1
1948 Satchel Paige tosses 5-hit shutout in Comiskey - 51,013 on hand, 15K turned away
1950 Bob Feller’s only stolen base
1951 Brkn: Musical Depreciation Nite - in freee if have musical instrument - 2000 in free (1 w/ piano)
1954 CWS 1, DET 0 (16). CG for Al Aber (15.1 IP, loss, GS 101) & Jack Harshman (16 IP, 109 GS - 17 b-runners allows (9 H, 7 W, 1 roe)
1959 SFG-CHC set record ofr longest 9 inning game in history: 3 hours, 50 minutes: CHC 20, NYG 9. It’s possible that this record has been since broken
1961 BAL 6, BOX 5 (11). Rare occasion where walk-off-error scores tying and winning runs. 11th ining makes it that much worse
1962 Bert Campaneris pitches ambidextrously in relief for Daytona Beach of the FL St League) vs Ft Lauderdale
1963 Willie Mays plays inning at SS, first of two times he ever plays that position
1963 Warren Spahn’s 2,382nd K, passes Rube Waddell for most by a LHP
1964 Jay Buhner born
1969 Jim Palmer throws nohitter vs. Oak. 9 IP, 6 BB, 8 K. BAL 8, OAK 0
1969 Elroy Face, MTL, gives up the last of his record 21 extra-inning home runs. Johnny Bench hits it
1969 commisioner (on temp basis so far) Bowie Kuhn gets 7-year contract for the job
1969 CHC lead NL East by 8.5 games. It doesn’t take
1969 Alex Fernandex, MLB pitcher, born
1970 4th of 5 times Cesar Tovar hit ruins a no-hitter: WAS 1, MIN 0, Dick Bosman 9 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K. lead-off bunt single
1972 George Weiss, HoF exec, dies
1972 Billy Martin, DET, picks his lineup out of a hat. It works: DET 3, CLE 2 (then lose 2nd game of d-header)
1973 Sparky Anderson ejected for refusing to leave the mound
1977 last game: Brooks Robinson
1978 O’s groundscrew beats NYY. Up 3-0 after 6. NYY get 5 in top7. Rain delay. Crew goes slowly as possible tarp - field unusble
1979 Corey Patterson born
1979 3,000 hits: Lou Brock. 2,586 games. W/ STL against CHC
1982 Only time Joe Morgan plays entire game at 3B. Darrell Evans at SS
1982 Gaylord Perry’s 300th CG
1986 MLB debut: Barry Larkin
1986 Braves 8, Padres 7. Atlanta gets 4 runs in bottom of the ninth (!!) to win
1987 STL OF has zero putouts in 4-2 (13) win over PHI. Longest game w/out any PO by OF (previous: 1905 STB 11-inning game the rcord)
1987 Mark McGwire hits his 39th HR, a new rookie record, passing Wally Berger & Frank Robinson
1993 Rickey Henderson, new to TOR, pays Turner Ward $25,000 for uniform #24. RH: I had trouble hitting w/ #14 on my back
1995 Micky Mantle dies
1996 Rick Helling, Oklahoma City, tosses 4-0 perfect game vs Nashville
2002 warring NYM owners Fred Wilpon & Nelson Doubleday finally compete deal to give FW full ownership w/in 30 days
2003 Rafale Palmeiro, age 38 (nearly 39) hits his 2nd triople of the week. Last of his career (8/10)
2003 after missing 3 months w/ groin injury, NYM’s Mike Piazza returns 2/ 4 RBI on Italian Night at Shea
2007 Phil Rizzuto dies
2008 MLB debut: Francisley Bueno - also his last game. He’s ejected for throwing at Alfonso Soriano in ATL-CHC game. Oops
2008 HOU in 6th vs SFG: no official at bat in inning for 8 consecutive PA, not matched until 7/21/12 (PIT vs MIA)
2009 Jonny Gomes, CIN, hits 3 HR in one game for 2nd time
2009 IOC announce that baseball & softball won’t be included in the next Olympics.
2010 NYM pitcher R. A. Dickey tosses CG 1-hitter. The hit was by opposing pitcher Cole Hamels. NYM 1, PHI 0
2011 Jeff Keppinger, SFG, hits solo HR. It’s 22st straigh SFG homer that’s a solo shot, a new MLB record
2011 Dan Uggla, ATL, has his hit streak max at 33 games. He hit .377/.438/.762 in it after going .173/.241/.327 before it. Vs. CHC this game
2012 Johnny Pesky dies at age 93
2013 both leadoff men in SEA-TBR hit homers. Then they both homer again in 5th. Only 3rd time in MLB ever both l-off men w/ 2 HR in g
2016 MLB debut: Aaron Judge, Yankees right fielder
2017 Kris Bryant, CHC, scores from second on a wild pitch (the pitcher fell down on the mound)
2017 Walk-off grand slam: Howie Kendrick. DCN 6, SFG 2 (11)
2017 Oddity: before the day’s doubleheader, DCN & SFG managers Dusty Baker & Bruce Bochy are tied (with Lou Piniella) with 1,835 wins, 14th most. They split the doubleheader
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5725699)
1969 Elroy Face, MTL, gives up the last of his record 21 extra-inning home runs.
Good. F*** that guy.
   4. Batman Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5725734)
bb-ref says #### Face gave up 20 extra-inning HR, which still gives him an impressive 5 HR lead over Rod Beck, Eddie Guardado, and Willie Hernandez for the record. The active leader is Santiago Casilla with 8.
   5. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5725739)
“Fatty Briody”?????
   6. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5725749)
Also, exploring Sid Gordon’s page brought me to shortstop Buddy Kerr.

In 1948 Kerr made his first and only All-Star team*. In the first half of that year, he hit .241/.285/.280, with 0 homers and 3 steals (in 7 attempts.)

I humbly request an explanation.

*He was Pee Wee Reese’s backup, and went 0 for 2 in a loss.
   7. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:36 PM (#5725752)
Which leads to a trivia question. Who pitched the most extra innings in baseball history? Face is only 13th on that leaderboard with 125.

The leader, with 199, isn't exactly obscure. Maybe I should ask the top five, who have 199, 196, 178, 178, and 167 extra innings respectively.

Bonus, who's the active leader? He has only 56 extra innings pitched. Not obscure either, just ancient.
   8. Dag Nabbit at Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:38 PM (#5725753)
Hoyt Wilhelm?
   9. Batman Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5725755)
Fingers and Gossage?
   10. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5725757)
Wilhelm is tied for third with 178 extra innings.

Gossage is the leader with 199; Fingers fifth with 167.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5725772)
Bonus, who's the active leader? He has only 56 extra innings pitched. Not obscure either, just ancient.
Fernando Rodney?
   12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5725776)
Buddy Kerr had already gotten MVP votes in 1945 and 1946, so he was an established star of sorts.

Let's see, who were the other NL shortstops in 1948:

- Pee Wee Reese - named an All-Star
- Marty Marion - named an All-Star but pulled out due to injury.
- Alvin Dark - rookie - on his way to ROY and 3rd place in MVP voting! But he was a rookie.
- Stan Rojek - also in his first season as a starter. Also on his way to getting MVP votes! Only hitting .250/.317/.315 at the time of the ASG; heated up after that.
- Eddie Miller - had already made two All-Star appearances himself despite not being very good.
- Virgil Stallcup - even worse than Buddy Kerr
- Roy Smalley - even worse than Buddy Kerr

With only 8 teams it's easy to be an All-Star. 1948 was the 6th All-Star appearance for George McQuinn and the 5th for Buddy Rosar, to name two other luminaries.
   13. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:07 PM (#5725780)
In 1948 Kerr made his first and only All-Star team*. In the first half of that year, he hit .241/.285/.280, with 0 homers and 3 steals (in 7 attempts.)

I humbly request an explanation.
Best I can do: Kerr was famous for having recently played 68 consecutive games at shortstop without an error, so he was thought to be valuable even if he didn't hit. Meanwhile, NL shortstops were particularly bad in 1948 - the Giants' shortstops, mostly Kerr, were actually in the top half of the NL in WAA.

Reese was locked in as the starter, but it wasn't super-obvious who the backup should be. Al Dark had an impressive 1948 season with the Braves, but he was a rookie part-time player for the first half of that year. So he was out. Stan Rojek, the Pirates' rookie shortstop, finished in the top ten in 1948 NL MVP voting, but was fairly crappy (.250/.317/.315) in the first half.

Looking at it in early July 1948, the realistic backup shortstop options were a rookie who was playing well but didn't start all the time, a rookie who wasn't playing particularly well but played all the time, and a guy who was famous for his glove but didn't hit much. Kerr is defensible as the least worst choice.
   14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5725783)
Coke to Crispix.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5725785)
Sparky Lyle and Lindy McDaniel seem to fit the profile of long-career 60's/70's relievers who might pitch a lot of extra innings.
   16. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5725787)
Fernando Rodney is the active leader in extra innings pitched.

Lindy McDaniel with 164 and Sparky Lyle with 154 are 6th and 7th all-time in extras.
   17. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5725791)
Thank you re: 1948 NL shortstops.

I henceforth rescind my objection.
   18. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5725793)
1969 CHC lead NL East by 8.5 games. It doesn’t take

   19. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5725800)
Stan Rojek had an interesting career. He was climbing the Dodgers' farm system but entered the Army Air Force after the 1942 season. He played a lot of baseball for an elite AAF team. From Rojek's SABR bio:

I am leaving the Army a better player because I had the experience of playing with and against seasoned major league stars. I played more than 200 games in the Army, and I didn’t do badly.

After spending all of 1946 and '47 on the bench in Brooklyn, he caught a break that a lot of guys in the vast Dodger organization never did: they sold him to Pittsburgh. Rojek started at SS for two seasons for the Pirates, and eventually played another six years in the majors and AAA ball.
   20. Batman Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:30 PM (#5725804)
1954 CWS 1, DET 0 (16). CG for Al Aber (15.1 IP, loss, GS 101) & Jack Harshman (16 IP, 109 GS - 17 b-runners allows (9 H, 7 W, 1 roe)
That's the fourth-most baserunners allowed in a shutout, after Dick Barrett's 20 in 14 innings, Ernie Koob's 19 in 17 innings, and J.R. Richard's 18 in only 10 innings.

That Richard total apparently doesn't include a hitter who reached on a passed ball after a strikeout, so it's 19 base runners. He walked three straight hitters in the seventh and then again in the eighth. Richard also had two wild pitches, but they didn't help the Mets.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:51 PM (#5725819)
Are Kent Tekulve and the late Tug McGraw up there on the extra innings list?
   22. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 01:59 PM (#5725828)
Tug McGraw is second on the extra-inning leaderboard with 196. Tekulve is 11th at 138.
   23. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:04 PM (#5725834)
The extra-inning pitcher tied for 3rd with Wilhelm is also the most recent of the top five. He made his debut in McGraw's final season.

This T3 pitcher also was super-effective in extras, with an ERA of 1.87: all the more impressive because he pitched into a high-offense era. Of course, some of the others were great, too. Gossage had a 2.08 ERA in extra innings, McGraw 2.11, etc.

At the other end of the effectiveness scale, Gene Garber threw 116 extra innings, 19th all time, but posted an ERA of 4.02 doing so.
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5725835)
The extra-inning pitcher tied for 3rd with Wilhelm is also the most recent of the top five. He made his debut in McGraw's final season.

John Franco?
   25. BDC Posted: August 13, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5725837)
John Franco is correct!

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