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Thursday, August 14, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-14-2014

Kenna [New Mexico] Record, August 14, 1914:

Claude Rossman, once a Nap, once a Tiger and now a Miller in the American association, won a game the other day for Minneapolis in the American association.

Claude won it in the third inning of a contest with Cleveland and the winning was sweet because—

“Hey, you big boob, back to the Old Soldiers’ home.”
“Whenja see Elmer Flick last?”
“You’as a good hitter back in 1906,” were only a part—a very small part—of the remarks flung at him…

And the people heckling him on that summer day in 1914? Julio Franco and Jamie Moyer.

Now you know…the rest of the story.

Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:52 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: claude rossman, dugout, history

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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: August 14, 2014 at 09:56 AM (#4770864)
I think Earl Weaver's going to like his Birthday Team's pitching staff. Won't much care for the position players, though, other than McKinnon and Loretta.

McKinnon's got a pretty interesting story: He was a member of the 1879 Troy Trojans, one would assume as a backup to Dan Brouthers, when he decided to jump his contract. McKinnon fell ill, missed most of the rest of the 1879 season, then "retired" from baseball to pursue other interests. After three seasons out of the game, McKinnon was reinstated in the Spring of 1883 and missed the entire season with another illness. He finally started his big league career in 1884 and became one of the best first basemen in the league (career OPS+ of 125, two of his four seasons above 135) before contracting typhoid in the middle of the 1887 season. McKinnon died 20 days after his final MLB game.

In another time and place, with better medical attention and a bit of luck, Alex McKinnon could have been a Hall of Famer instead of a guy nobody's ever heard of.

C: Oscar Siemer
1B: Alex McKinnon
2B: Mark Loretta
3B: Harry Schafer
SS: Billy Myers
LF: Mark Leonard
CF: Juan Pierre
RF: Bill O'Hara

SP: Joe Horlen
SP: Mark Gubicza
SP: Clay Buchholz
SP: Don Carman
SP: Mark Fidrych
RP: Paul Dean

Manager: Earl Weaver
Owner: Magic Johnson
   2. Batman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:03 AM (#4770871)
"Hey Rossman! I bet the Cubs will never have won a World Series against anybody who doesn't have you on the team for at least the next century!"
   3. BDC Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM (#4770872)
À propos of extremely little, I've been surprised the past few weeks by some pennants that teams fly (or mount in the form of heavier, non-flying pennant-shaped objects). The Rangers fly a pennant for having lost the wild-card play-in game in 2012, though not for losing the playoff for the play-in in 2013. The Indians similarly have a plaque on their dugout roof (yes?) for losing the play-in in 2013. Is this really necessary? Is it mandated by MLB? I think it's cheesy enough to fly a pennant for winning one of six annual division races, but at least you've won something in that case, and for many years the Rangers couldn't fly anything else, so it sort of made sense. But if they start to award more and more pennants like these, soon there will be no place to put them. They'll have to give them to fans in the cheap seats to hold during the game: Look Dad, we get the 2029 seventh-wild-card preliminary defeat pennant! Remember that exciting 9-3 loss to the Portland Pups? No?

On a different note, the White Sox fly the 1919 AL pennant. Which I suppose they won, perhaps even fairly, but one would think that it wouldn't be Orwellian just to retire the thing and not wave it around like it was a mark of honor.
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4770879)
“Hey, you big boob, back to the Old Soldiers’ home.”
“Whenja see Elmer Flick last?”
“You’as a good hitter back in 1906,” were only a part—a very small part—of the remarks flung at him…


Hunter Pence signs are now one month old and 100 years old at the same time.
   5. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4770904)
one would think that it wouldn't be Orwellian just to retire the thing and not wave it around like it was a mark of honor.


Fly it upside down, maybe?
   6. Batman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4770915)
Do the White Sox still fly pennants for 1900 and the 1994 division title?
   7. Canker Soriano Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4770943)
I think Earl Weaver's going to like his Birthday Team's pitching staff. Won't much care for the position players, though, other than McKinnon and Loretta.

Doesn't seem like that long ago that people were wondering whether Pierre would stick around long enough to get to 3000 hits and spark a Hall of Fame debate. He had 2000+ hits at age 33.

Thankfully we're spared that.
   8. just plain joe Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4770955)
I think Earl Weaver's going to like his Birthday Team's pitching staff. Won't much care for the position players, though, other than McKinnon and Loretta.


He would like Myers well enough I think; Weaver kept using Belanger even though Belanger was pretty useless at the plate, at least in most seasons. Myers was a decent hitter (93 OPS+), especially for a shortstop who could field fairly well. Weaver likely would want to replace the remaining position players though.
   9. tolbuck Posted: August 14, 2014 at 11:45 AM (#4770994)
For those wondering how Cleveland had an AA team in 1914, here is the story.

The Naps owner Charles Somers also owned the AA Toledo Mud Hens. In a bid to keep the Federal League out of Cleveland Somers moved the Hens to Cleveland in time for the 1914 season. Somers kept both teams in Cleveland for 2 years, the length of the FL.

By 1916 Somers was broke. He was forced to sell both his Cleveland based teams. The AA team was sold to Roger Bresnahan, a Toledo native, and Bresnahan moved the team back to Toledo.
   10. BDC Posted: August 14, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4771068)
I can't remember now if the White Sox fly flags for 1900 and 1994. (Their pennants aren't actual flags but pennant-shaped thingies affixed to the light towers.)
   11. Eddo Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4771086)
The Sox definitely don't fly one for 1994; I'm 90% they don't fly one for 1900 (but they do for 1901).
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 14, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4771089)
I can't remember now if the White Sox fly flags for 1900 and 1994.


I think they only fly the 1994 one until Aug. 11.
   13. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 14, 2014 at 02:16 PM (#4771123)
Happy birthday to the man who made me a baseball fan.

RIP, Bird.
   14. WahooSam Posted: August 14, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4771194)
Claude Rossman batted fifth for me on the 1908 Tigers

I remember my lineup went McIntyre, Bush, Cobb, Crawford, Rossman, and then it became pretty grim. My opponents often walked Crawford intentionally to pitch to Rossman, and he got a boatload of RBI's
   15. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 14, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4771263)
The Game of 8/13/84 was notable primarily for two things. First, it had about the most inexperienced pair of starting pitchers you could wish for. And second, it was a bit of a rebound for the team that's blown most of a big lead in the race to be the most exciting squad of the season.
   16. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:09 PM (#4771369)
The Game of 8/13/14 was the major league debut for one of the two starters; he was opposed by a guy who has allowed more home runs than unintentional walks over the course of his fairly substantial career to date (anyone know the largest number of innings thrown by a pitcher meeting that standard? It wouldn't surprise me at all if this game's starter is #1.) It lasted a long enough time that one of the two teams eventually had to use someone who'd pitched in the first game of the doubleheader as well - and he ended up getting decisions in both games, which I would guess is something that hasn't happened in a while. (If anyone wants to run play index searches on either of those two criteria, feel free.)
   17. Batman Posted: August 14, 2014 at 07:33 PM (#4771380)
16- Tomlin is second among people named Josh T, and at least third overall. Josh Towers had 731.1 IP, 110 UIBB, and 122 HR, and Edward Mujica has 483.1 IP, 61 UIBB, and 66 HR. Towers issued 13 IBB's, so he just missed not even needing the "unintentional" qualifier.

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