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Wednesday, August 15, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-15-2018

Washington Times, August 15, 1918:

Hal Chase, crack first baseman of the Cincinnati Reds, suspended on charges of frequenting poolrooms and making bets, denied he had made any wagers on ball games.
...
[Chase:] “Perhaps it is hardly best for me to agitate the affair, or to talk too freely right now, but I can’t help saying a few things just the same…Let’s not dodge around the bush or mince words. I’m accused of frequenting poolrooms and making baseball bets. I’ve gone into poolrooms, yes; I’ve made bets on horses, yes. I say, right here, that I have made no baseball bets, and have never thrown the team down as a result…I was accused in New York, not of betting against the Reds, but of offering a certain Giant pitcher $800 to let us beat him. Can you imagine where I’d have got a taker for an $800 bet against the Giants in New York?”

Maybe not, but I can imagine that telegrams to other cities exist. And I can imagine that mob bookies exist. And I can imagine that New York mob bookies would be able to find 40 people to bet $20 each on the Giants.

But you do you, Hal.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:06 AM | 44 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5727090)
Today's Birthday Team is strong at manager and decent pretty much everywhere else.

C: Jack Warner (10.64 WAR)
1B/Owner/Manager: Charlie Comiskey (7.64 WAR)
2B: Doggie Miller (18.87 WAR)
3B: Chris Brown (5.96 WAR)
SS: Scott Brosius (15.71 WAR)
LF: Chris Singleton (9.7 WAR)
CF: Jarrod Dyson (15.19 WAR)
RF: Billy Conigliaro (4.57 WAR)

SP: Bill Sherdel (31.26 WAR)
SP: Joey Jay (13.97 WAR)
SP: Oliver Perez (9.9 WAR)
SP: Joe Cowley (4.41 WAR)
SP: Jose Santiago (4.04 WAR)
RP: Mike James (4.68 WAR)

Backup Manager: Tom Kelly
Announcer: Van Patrick
Author: Herb Gluck
Fun name: Arlo Brunsberg
Minor league outfielder, chose football instead: Bubby Brister
More Sourland: Les Sweetland
Newspaper Writer: Sid Keener
Not that one: Billy West
Not that one: Randy Johnson
   2. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:40 AM (#5727104)
I always check out the page of the best player on the Birthday Team whom I’ve never heard of before, and today that’s Billy Sherdel. I learned two things:

1) He’s the winningest southpaw in Cardinals history
2) As late as 1926, people* used the term “slowball” to describe what we now call a “change-up.”

* Rogers Hornsby, no less!
   3. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 10:59 AM (#5727112)
OK, a few box-score-line records. Today we start 4-for-4 days. Most times with the batting line ab/r/h/bi in the regular season since 1908, trivia in bold:

4 0 4 0 : That could be a frustrating day. You go 4-for-4 but do not figure in the scoring. Of course, often a 4040 day means that you had some hits in your club's rallies. Jeff McNeil of the Mets had one like this a couple of weeks ago, no runs or RBI, but a couple of "assists," advancing runners who later scored. Meanwhile, Devon Travis of the Blue Jays, this July, had a "perfect" 4040 in that none of his hits figured in a scoring rally.

Two men had three 4040 games apiece. Both are long-deceased. They both batted LH; they had five batting titles between them. Both played in home parks that accentuated their skills: the earlier one hit a prodigious number of doubles in his, and the later, after some years in obscurity elsewhere, became an All-Star when he changed teams mid-career

Bonus trivia: What's the record for total bases in a 4040 game? It's been done nine times, earliest (on record) by Jim Bottomley and most recently by Carlos Gomez

4 1 4 0: Two men have done this five times. They were contemporaries; one is deceased. One batted R, the other L. Between them they had six batting titles

4 2 4 0: One batter did this four times. He batted LH and played in a park and era that greatly diminished his career batting totals. He did lead his league in triples, twice, but won no batting titles, with a career .279 mark

4 3 4 0 : Three times by Derek Jeter

4 4 4 0 : 39 men have done this once, most recently Gerald Laird in 2013

4 5 4 0 : This has only been done twice, in 1931 and 1954. Both players batted RH, played for NL teams, and played SS that day. Both were star players but only one is in the Hall of Fame. Both managed in the big leagues


   4. SandyRiver Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5727117)
Not an X-for-4, but Andrew Benintendi had a line of 5-3-1-3 in that 19-12 football game at Camden Yards last Friday - probably not a common stat.
   5. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5727128)
In one sense I am looking forward to the five- and six-AB lines, because there will be some weird and wild days like Benintendi's. But in another not, because there are just so many permutations …
   6. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5727131)
What's the record for total bases in a 4040 game?

I'll start the bidding at 9: 2 triples, a double, and a single.
   7. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM (#5727135)
Nine is too high. I guess this is a Dutch auction :)
   8. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5727138)
4 2 4 0:

Maury Wills?
   9. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5727141)
4-5-4-0 Did Ernie Banks ever manage in the bigs?
   10. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5727146)
4140: Bill Madlock and Rod Carew?
   11. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5727147)
4540: 1954 - Alvin Dark?

EDIT: Never mind, Dark batted LH. Reading comprehension error.
   12. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:36 AM (#5727151)
Alvin Dark is correct: he batted right-handed. (And thus Banks is not. I mean, Banks batted RH, but he did not play in 1931.)

Madlock and Carew are incorrect. So is Maury Wills (a switch-hitter), though Wills is close.

EDIT: I've got an appointment soon, I will check back later and comment if necessary :)
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5727158)
Alvin Dark is correct: he batted right-handed.


Huh, I can picture him as a LH hitter. I probably saw him on TV as a little kid and had a couple cards from different years and would have sworn he was listed as LH. Memory, schmemory.
   14. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5727159)
4540: 1931 - Rabbit Maranville?
   15. Batman Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5727172)
George Springer had a perfect 5050 in 2015. The only run scored by the Astros in that game was driven in by the hitter in front of him.
   16. bunyon Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5727177)
BDC, I love reading these, though I'm terrible at guessing. I also came in late: how do you generate this data?
   17. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:14 PM (#5727180)
4 1 4 0: Two men have done this five times. They were contemporaries; one is deceased. One batted R, the other L. Between them they had six batting titles


Kirby Puckett and wade Boggs
   18. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 12:48 PM (#5727199)
Maranville, Puckett, and Boggs are all correct.

Very cool re: Springer, Batman. 5050s are a ways off, but one would imagine still rarer than 4040s, especially "perfect" ones.

bunyon, thank you! I do B-Ref PI Player Game Finder searches. You can search on four different variables, then for something like "most total bases in a 4040 game," you can rank the results by a fifth variable.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5727213)
The Cubs have acquired Terrance Gore! Will he get another shot to pinch-run in the playoffs?
   20. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5727214)
I'll go with Granny Hamner for the other 4540

edit: never mind. I'm an idiot.
   21. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5727218)
The Cubs have acquired Terrance Gore! Will he get another shot to pinch-run in the playoffs?
I would say that Gore is another argument against September roster expansion and that it would be ridiculous to carry him in the playoffs, but let's be realistic - the way the Cubs' offense has been going lately, he might get a shot to pinch-hit in the playoffs.
   22. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:19 PM (#5727221)
George Springer had a perfect 5050 in 2015. The only run scored by the Astros in that game was driven in by the hitter in front of him.

BRef shows that has been done 17 times--and the teams are 6-11 in those games. (Those two zeroes are significant)
   23. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5727228)
likewise teams that had a player go 4040 has happened 445 times. The teams are 130-315
   24. Batman Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5727230)
Aaron Cox, who was a minor league pitcher and Mike Trout's brother-in-law, died at 24 today.
   25. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5727235)
likewise teams that had a player go 4040 has happened 445 times. The teams are 130-315


This is interesting and it makes sense, because it's the best possible indication from a single battling line that the player's teammates were useless.
   26. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:41 PM (#5727240)
4240 - Willie Davis?
   27. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:42 PM (#5727241)
Willie Davis is correct!
   28. salvomania Posted: August 15, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5727245)
4 2 4 0:

Roger Metzger?

EDIT: never mind, he didn't hit close to .279, and the correct answer has already been identified.
   29. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 02:25 PM (#5727286)
For fans of Felipe Alou: a review of his recent memoir Alou: My Baseball Journey.
   30. Chris Fluit Posted: August 15, 2018 at 02:44 PM (#5727311)
Paul Waner for a 4040
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2018 at 03:44 PM (#5727368)
For fans of Felipe Alou: a review of his recent memoir Alou: My Baseball Journey.
Having read the book, I was curious to see the reviewer's take on it, but alas, that wasn't a review - that was a summary of the book in 10 paragraphs, with the "reviewer's" only commentary being to describe it as "an entertaining and inspiring story."
   32. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2018 at 03:49 PM (#5727376)
Give BDC a break, he does like 4 of those a week.
   33. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2018 at 03:52 PM (#5727379)
Ha - I didn't know BDC himself was the reviewer. Fair enough, but just call it a book report instead ;).
   34. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5727388)
That Alou reviewer is actually a fellow named Dave Buchanan. My own reviews are a lot more perfunctory :)
   35. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:02 PM (#5727389)
And yes, Paul Waner is one of the 4040 record-holders, the earlier of the two, the one with 3 batting titles and some outlandish season doubles totals.
   36. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5727393)
That Alou reviewer is actually a fellow named Dave Buchanan.
Well I saw that, but I wasn't certain about your actual name. I was thinking Bob Dernier Cri might just be your nom de plume internet.
   37. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:06 PM (#5727394)
My mistake. You guys have similar web designs.
   38. Hank Gillette Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:43 PM (#5727427)
For fans of Felipe Alou: a review of his recent memoir Alou: My Baseball Journey.


I admit to having some hard feelings at Mr. Alou, probably unfairly, because noted terrible baseball analyst F. P. Santangelo credits Alou with inspiring his catch-phrase “There goes the no-hitter”, which I have to endure every damn Nats game I watch. Sometimes, I wish the opposing pitching would no-hit the Nats just so F.P. wouldn’t have anything to say (not that that has every stopped him). Yes, I am bitter.

F. P. gem from yesterday’s game: “If [opposing pitcher who hit a two-run homer] had not hit that home run, this would be a different game.”
   39. Hank Gillette Posted: August 15, 2018 at 04:45 PM (#5727432)
Having read the book, I was curious to see the reviewer's take on it, but alas, that wasn't a review - that was a summary of the book in 10 paragraphs, with the "reviewer's" only commentary being to describe it as "an entertaining and inspiring story."


It was a good summary though. Now I feel no need to read the book.
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:01 PM (#5727447)
noted terrible baseball analyst F. P. Santangelo
F.P. F. Santangelo?
   41. bunyon Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:02 PM (#5727450)
F. P. gem from yesterday’s game: “If [opposing pitcher who hit a two-run homer] had not hit that home run, this would be a different game.”

I didn't think FP did the game yesterday. That was the bland guy I can never remember on PBP and Michael Morse on color.

   42. Sweatpants Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:12 PM (#5727458)
Is the other 4040 Pete Runnels?
   43. BDC Posted: August 15, 2018 at 05:31 PM (#5727467)
Runnels is correct!
   44. Hank Gillette Posted: August 15, 2018 at 11:00 PM (#5727612)

I didn't think FP did the game yesterday. That was the bland guy I can never remember on PBP and Michael Morse on color.


You’re right. My bad.

Bob Carpenter is the PBP guy. Carpenter has been marveling that St. Louis doesn’t play like the “worst defense in the NL”. Well, Bob, if you look at something besides fielding average, you would see that St. Louis is in the upper half of the league in defense, well above Washington.

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