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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-22-2018

New York Tribune, August 22, 1918:

Less than 10,000 fans—9,825 to be exact—attended five major league ball games Tuesday in the cities of Boston, where an important series is being played, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago, and St. Louis. The aggregate attendance in these five cities was less than that which under ordinary circumstances would have visited the Polo Grounds for one game in weather such as we had here Tuesday.

Those are the sorts of attendance figures you’d only see during total mobilization for a worldwide war or a weekday afternoon game in Miami.

Elsewhere, leadership of the French army wants Johnny Evers to teach baseball to their soldiers. But I know what’s really going on. They’re all about those fudge orgies and nicotine sprees.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 09:54 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5731514)
Today's Birthday Team has two Hall of Fame players, a Hall of Fame manager, a Hall of Fame General Manager, and four umpires. I think they'll be just fine.

C: Wally Schang (45.03 WAR)
1B: Carl Yastrzemski (96.39 WAR)
2B: Paul Molitor (75.71 WAR)
3B/Manager: Ned Hanlon (18.09 WAR)
SS: Dud Lee (-3.56 WAR)
LF: Bob Speake (1.48 WAR)
CF: Happy Felsch (19.35 WAR)
RF: Darrin Jackson (11.31 WAR)

SP: Randy Wolf (22.81 WAR)
SP: Ray Burris (15.91 WAR)
SP: Howie Camnitz (15.25 WAR)
SP: Jeff Weaver (15.17 WAR)
SP: Hipolito Pichardo (6.21 WAR)
RP: 21st century LHP Steve Kline (9.87 WAR)
RP: Doug Bair (6.49 WAR)

General Manager: Pat Gillick
Backup General Manager: Joe Klein
Amateur infielder in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Shinji Kirihara
Fun names: Herman Fink, Harry Swacina
Umpires: Mike Everitt, Bill Welke, Delfin Colon, Angel Campos
Writer: Sheldon Ocker
   2. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5731525)
Did you guys see what the Phillies did with Zach Eflin? It’s really damn cool. Ok:

So Eflin is their #4 starter and he’s having a very good year (like 20 starts, 115 ERA+.) But after a good start on August 11th, they demoted him to AAA...on paper. Why? Well, because 5 days later, on August 16th, Eflin’s next turn in the rotation, the Phillies were scheduled to play a doubleheader. And the new CBA says that all teams are allowed to have a 26th player on the roster for all doubleheader’s. So of course the Phillies named Eflin as their 26th player! And he started, then went “back to the minors”....until today, where he’s gonna be starting for the Major League team.

So the Phillies basically got to play with a 26-man roster for 10 days.

It’s so wicked!
   3. dlf Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:16 AM (#5731543)
Today's Birthday Team has two Hall of Fame players, a Hall of Fame manager, a Hall of Fame General Manager, and four umpires. I think they'll be just fine.


Until their CF starts actively trying to throw games.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5731546)
That's brilliant, Davo. A lot of fuddy-duddies (read: ESPN yelling heads and newspaper columnists) will probably look at that and say something needs to be changed about the doubleheader roster rule, but I'm all about smart people finding clever ways to make the rules work in their favor.
   5. dlf Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5731558)
I'd just hate to see Eflin miss arbitration eligibility by just a few days of service time. He also drops from his MLB contract to a MiLB one for 10 days. If I were Phils management, I'd at least make up the latter, probably something in the low five figures, with a bonus.
   6. John Northey Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5731564)
Wow, Miami really has few fans left despite a nice newer park. 50 games with lower attendance than any road game and they have played in Tampa.

40 games under 10k, one more and over half their games will be below 10k at home this year. 9 games in the 5k range, none below 5265.

Montreal's final season (2004) saw only 6 games with fewer than any road game - of course that road game was in Chicago vs Miami due to a hurricane. Removing those 2 weird games, 59 games had fewer fans than any game on the road. 56 with under 10k, 14 fewer than any Miami game this year (lowest was 3,609 vs Colorado on May 5th).

Of course, the final game and first game had good crowds. 31,395 for the final (lost 9-1 to Miami) and 30,112 for their home opener (officially home opener was in PR getting just 14,739). Miami overall average is 9,937 this year, Montreal 2004 was 9,369. Ouch.

You know a team is in trouble when you can compare attendance to the final season of a doomed team.
   7. BDC Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5731565)
I'm imagining Eflin having to follow the Phillies around while technically being in AAA, only surfacing in the majors long enough to throw six innings. They fly to Toronto, he has to take a bus. They get lavish post-game buffets, he's at Subway trying to figure out if he can get an extra slice of cheese with his meal money.
   8. JJ1986 Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:38 AM (#5731567)
I don't understand why the 26th man can be called up without having been in the minors for 10 days. That's the rule for everyone else.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:43 AM (#5731569)
So far in 2018, 60 of the Marlins' 63 lowest-attended games were home games.

The other three were road games against the Rays.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5731572)
Not sure what the Miami ownership thinks is going to happen going forward. Do they want to move?

Even if they get good, I can't see that city supporting the team after the third betrayal.
   11. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5731581)
If I understand correctly, the new owner is trying to tank attendance so she can move the team to Miami.
   12. Itchy Row Posted: August 22, 2018 at 11:33 AM (#5731605)
Last night's game against the Yankees was the third-best-attended Marlins home game this year. The two best were opening day and an April 14 game against Pittsburgh, apparently their first Beerfest of the season.
   13. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 22, 2018 at 01:57 PM (#5731718)
So...Thomas Pannone is having a pretty good start today for the Jays. Not sure he'll be able to throw a complete game - he's thrown nearly 90 pitches through 6 innings - but he's done nicely.
   14. salvomania Posted: August 22, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5731791)
So...Thomas Pannone is having a pretty good start today for the Jays. Not sure he'll be able to throw a complete game - he's thrown nearly 90 pitches through 6 innings - but he's done nicely.

Save it for the Omnichatter!
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 22, 2018 at 03:55 PM (#5731808)
So far in 2018, 60 of the Marlins' 63 lowest-attended games were home games.

The other three were road games against the Rays.


And they've played 64 home games. The 4 that had attendance over 15,000 were

32,151 Thursday, March 29 vs. Cubs
26,816 Saturday, April 14 vs. Pirates
26,275 Tuesday, August 21 vs. Yankees
21,673 Tuesday, July 24 vs. Braves
   16. stevegamer Posted: August 22, 2018 at 06:14 PM (#5731879)
Did you guys see what the Phillies did with Zach Eflin? It’s really damn cool.


I'd use the term stupid, but there was an upside. I was at the doubleheader (1st game link below), and got to see:

Mets Franchise Runs Record Doubleheader game 1

1. The Mets franchise record for runs scored.

2. A Little League style pitching change. That's where the shortstop comes in to pitch, and the pitcher moves to shortstop. After Dunce Kap visited the mound for no reason with Roman Quinn pitching in the 8th to give him a pep talk or something, he came out again. He then needed to take Quinn out, and he moved to Kingery.

Kingery was throwing so slow the batters has to take the first pitch, as it was like batting practice. He was throing so slow, there was no radar gun reading. Then it was time for batters to tee off.

Basically, they got to have an extra player on the roster, and got too cute keeping an extra pitcher that isn't actually any good, so they used two position players, one of whom honestly should've been demoted months ago.

While I understand the need to maximize the roster, the problem is that the Phillies are being penny wise and pound foolish. They spent the money on Kingery, and there are stubbornly keeping him up, and using him as the starting shortstop mostly. He's not a shortstop, and it's obvious. It's one thing to try and get a bat in the lineup but he has a 58 OPS+, which is awful, but better than the other no-hit, no-field, sometimes-pitch utility man that were keeping up in Jesmuel Valentin.

Eflin really didn't remotely deserve to be sent down, and I do hope they make money up to him. I doubt that will happen, however.

The team has had a massive problem with having decent shortstop play, and they are still refusing to demote Kingery, who other than hitting, fielding, and pitching does nothing well at the MLB level.

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