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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-23-2018

Omaha Daily Bee, August 23, 1918:

When asked [yesterday] whether the work or fight order would interfere with the world baseball series this year, Secretary Baker said…the question had not come before him, but indicated his strong opinion that the series would be and should be played.

Since only two teams would take part, the secretary thought the number of men affected by the work or fight order would be very small. He added the soldiers in France were intensely interested in the results.

This seems like the sort of thing the National Commission would want to have nailed down a week before the end of the regular season.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 10:46 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 10:48 AM (#5732216)
Wall to wall talent on today's Birthday Team...other than one of the umpires.

C: John Romano (20.89 WAR)
1B: Sherm Lollar (30.29 WAR)
2B: Lonny Frey (38.85 WAR)
3B: George Kell (37.41 WAR)
SS: Julio Franco (43.54 WAR)
LF: Dale Mitchell (18.9 WAR)
CF/Manager: George Davis (84.31 WAR)
RF: Casey Blake (24.94 WAR)
DH: Ron Blomberg (9.37 WAR)

SP: Mike Boddicker (31.44 WAR)
SP: Nels Potter (24.24 WAR)
SP: Guy Bush (20.27 WAR)
SP: Lew Richie (14.35 WAR)
SP: Ken Holcombe (1.96 WAR)
RP: Miles Mikolas (3.56 WAR)

Owner: Carl Pohlad
Umpire: Tim Welke
Awful umpire: C.B. Bucknor
Bench infielder/spare bat: Mark Bellhorn (7.97 WAR)
Cut "fast"ball specialist who threw in the low 80s: Mark DiFelice (0.75 WAR)
Fun names: Cowboy Jones, Heinie Elder, Rocky Stone, Sled Allen, Raul Casanova, Red Downs
General Manager: Harry Dalton
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5732229)
C: John Romano (20.89 WAR)

He had a couple very good years for the Indians (4.5 & 4.6 WAR) but didn't play long enough to accumulate much lifetime. He was involved in 2 significant trades for the Indians:
in 1959 he went from the Chisox to the Tribe along with some guy named Norm Cash--then trader Lane got rid of Cash the following spring for the immortal Steve Demeter

in 1965 he was part of a 3 team trade in which the Indians gave away both Tommy John and Tommie Agee (both very young) to reacquire an aging Rocky Colavito
   3. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:31 AM (#5732251)
MOST NO-HITTERS* THROWN IN A CAREER

1. Nolan Ryan
2. Sandy Koufax
3. Ryne Stanek

* Games in which the starting pitcher allows 0 hits
   4. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:37 AM (#5732258)
I checked Davo's #3, which is correct, but I think you left out the best part, Davo: how many such games did each of those guys pitch?
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:39 AM (#5732260)
The Rockies have called up Matt Holliday, who signed a minor league contract with them a few weeks ago. He was hitting .346/.452/.596 at Albuquerque.
   6. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5732266)
And some box-score-line records, with trivia in bold. Most times with the exact ab/r/h/bi line since 1908, regular season:

4 1 4 2: Three men did this four times apiece. One is Gus Mancuso, and I don't know if I can formulate a question that would elicit "Gus Mancuso." The other two are HOFers, both deceased. Both batted LH. Both were batting champions, winning titles with marks over .380. Neither was six feet tall

4 1 4 3 : Rube Bressler did this three times, and I am not sure I can write a trivia question for him either. Mancuso and Bressler were both good players with interesting careers, though a very long time ago now

4 1 4 4 : four men did this twice

4 1 4 5 : 44 have done it once, most recently Freddie Freeman in '16

4 1 4 6 : 14 have done that once, the last Garrett Atkins in 2007. Whatever happened to Garrett Atkins? He was a pretty good player, briefly

4 1 4 7 and 4 1 4 8 have each been accomplished once, in 1922 and 2011 respectively. Both players played for pennant-winning teams that year. Both were RHB outfielders, both HR champs (though not in the years listed); neither is a HOFer (or is ever likely to be)
   7. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5732269)
4: Ha!

Nolan Ryan threw FIFTEEN no-hitters!
Koufax 7
Ryne Stanek 6.

A bunch of guys are tied for fourth place with 5, including World Series Legend Chris Young.
   8. Batman Posted: August 23, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5732270)
In his first Davo no-hitter, Koufax got knocked out in the third and was charged with five earned runs. He didn't pitched past the second inning in his second and third ones, but he got better after that.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5732280)
The Rockies have called up Matt Holliday, who signed a minor league contract with them a few weeks ago. He was hitting .346/.452/.596 at Albuquerque.

Couldn't be worse than Desmond and Parra.
   10. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 23, 2018 at 12:20 PM (#5732298)
3 pitchers were removed from postseason games despite 4+ no-hit innings.

Anibal Sanchez left after 6 no-hit innings in Game 1 of the 2013 ALCS;; he had 6 walks and 12 Ks and Detroit was clinging to a 1-0 lead. Daniel Nava ultimately broke up the combined no-hitter with 1 out in the 9th, but Detroit held on for the win.

Paul Abbott had 5 in Game 4 of the 2001 ALCS.

Mike Cuellar pitched 4.2 no-hit innings in Game 4 of the 1974 ALCS, but walked 9 and got the loss (as Oakland advanced to the World Series).
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 23, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5732308)
Whatever happened to Garrett Atkins? He was a pretty good player, briefly


Ah Garrett Atkins, the Morgan Ensberg of his era.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 12:51 PM (#5732316)
Whatever happened to Garrett Atkins? He was a pretty good player, briefly

Atkins had 5.0 WAR in 2006 and ended his career with 4.0
   13. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:00 PM (#5732320)
Garrett Atkins, the Morgan Ensberg of his era


Naturally I went searching for Morgan Ensbergs of their eras :) Third basemen, actually good at one point, but not for long. I came up with Eric Soderholm and Joe Foy, whom I remembered, and Bob Dillinger (post-WW2) and Les Bell (pre-), whom I did not.

Bob Dillinger's career was interrupted by war service, and he was one of those players we were talking about here earlier whose duty consisted largely of baseball. He was on an all-star team in the Pacific for much of his duty, playing with Joe DiMaggio and others. Dillinger came back from the war, won the Browns' 3B job, had a couple of years where he batted .320, and then his skills faded a bit, though he was still good enough to play regularly in the PCL into his mid-30s.
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5732321)
Anibal Sanchez left after 6 no-hit innings in Game 1 of the 2013 ALCS;; he had 6 walks and 12 Ks and Detroit was clinging to a 1-0 lead. Daniel Nava ultimately broke up the combined no-hitter with 1 out in the 9th, but Detroit held on for the win.
The next night the Sox didn't get their first hit of that game, and first run of the series, until the 6th inning.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:09 PM (#5732324)
4 1 4 7 and 4 1 4 8 have each been accomplished once, in 1922 and 2011 respectively. Both players played for pennant-winning teams that year. Both were RHB outfielders, both HR champs (though not in the years listed); neither is a HOFer (or is ever likely to be)


2011 - Nelson Cruz?
   16. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:11 PM (#5732326)
Cruz is correct!
   17. Batman Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:22 PM (#5732332)
Billy Grabarkewitz had 6.5 WAR in 1970, playing mostly third but with some time at short and second too, and finished his career with 5.8 total WAR. He didn't play more than 87 games or hit more than 238 times in any of his six other seasons.
   18. eric Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:23 PM (#5732334)
The Rockies have called up Matt Holliday, who signed a minor league contract with them a few weeks ago. He was hitting .346/.452/.596 at Albuquerque.


Matt Holliday has made nearly $160MM in his career, not counting endorsements, etc. Yet he's still willing to play AAA to get another shot.

I guess for pro athletes, retirement is akin to death. You just live out your life slowly aging in your mansion. That's why we have Jeter (and Jordan) the owner, and A-rod the commentator, and Molitor the manager.

Does that mean if someone handed me $100MM today and I quit my job, after a year or two I'd be unhappy?
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5732336)
I came up with Eric Soderholm and Joe Foy

the Mets gave up Amos Otis to get Foy
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:26 PM (#5732338)
Does that mean if someone handed me $100MM today and I quit my job, after a year or two I'd be unhappy?

If you failed to find something meaningful to do with your life, yes. Most people are not satisfied simply by consumption. Most crave some sort of purpose to their lives; a reason to get up every day and feel you're doing something of value.
   21. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5732346)
I'm going Bob Meusel for the 1922 guy. I don't think there were a lot of players who won HR crowns in the 20s who didn't eventually make the HoF.
   22. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5732347)
Meusel is also correct!
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:35 PM (#5732352)
random fact: Edwin Encarnacion has 9 HRs in his last 14 games at Fenway
   24. Ziggy's screen name Posted: August 23, 2018 at 01:39 PM (#5732354)
Whatever happened to Morgan Ensberg? He was a pretty good player, briefly
   25. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 23, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5732388)
1870 George Davis born
1891 Cincy releases Old Hoss Radbourn
1906 CWS win 19th straight
1907 Pitt pitcher Howie Camnitz tosses 5 inning no-hitter
1909 CHC steal home 3 times in game vs BOB. Cubs win 11-6
1912 Walter Johnson, WAS, wins his 16th straight game: WAS 8, DET 1
1922 George Kell born
1923 under oath, CIN’s Sam Bohne & Pat Duncan deny they were approached to throw games to NYG
1928 Lefty Grove, PHA, strikes out the side on 9 pitches vs. CLE in the 2nd inning
1929 CHC buy Lon Warneke from Alexandria in Cotton States League for $100
1930 NYY trade players to SF (PCL) for Frankie Crosetti
1931 Lefty Grove’s 16 game winning streak snaped on eror by LF Jim Moore. LG has 15min tmpr tantrum aftr game. STB 1, PHA 0
1936 Bob Feller fans 15. 9 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB. 15 K. His 1st MLB start. Wins: CLE beats STB
1938 Jimmie Foxx: Walkoff Grandslam off Willie Hudlin. BOX 14, CLE 12. CLE led 6-0 (mid2) and still led 10-6 (mid8)
1942 7 SHO in MLB (out of 16 games). 8th game is a near-SHO: Ted Lyons w/ 3-hitter 3-1 win
1942 69136 go to Yankee Stadium to see Ruth bat vs. Walter Johnson in doubleheader for army/navy relief fund. He homers on the 5th pitch
1947 STB drop Hank Thompson & Willard Brown, ploy for attendance over
1956 Nellie Fox has 7 straight hits in double header vs NYY. CWS wins both games
1957 Monterey, MX team becomes 1st foreign team to win Little League World Series
1957 Mike Boddicker born
1958 Julio Franco born
1958 Don Drysdale homers twice in one game. LA 10, ATL 1
1958 BAL selects Hoyt Wilhelm off waivers from CLE
1959 Don Drysdale gets 2 losses in one day
1960 Lew Burdette’s 3rd consecutive CG SHO
1962 Steve Boros, DET, makes 4 errors in one inning at third in 8- win over CLE
1968 Lindy McDaniel in relief: retires all 21 he faces, the longest perfect relief outing since Ernie Shore (tied 4-19-04 by Jake Westbrook)
1969 Jim Northup, DET, gets 6 hits in 13 inning game
1970 Roberto Clemente has 5 hits in game for 2nd straight day
1971 Ron Santo has to be restrained from going after Leo Durocher after he says Santo demands team give him a day (his day will be 8/28
1972 Dick Allen, CWS, is 4th person to hit one into Comiskey Park CF bleachers (Greenberg, Foxx, Alex Johnson) Harry Caray there
1975 Nolan Ryan undergoes surgery on his pitching elbow
1980 Charles O. Finley sells OAK for $12.7 million to Walter Haas, Wally Haas & Roy Eisenhardt
1982 Gaylord Perry, SEA, ejected for applying a foreign subtance to the ball. 1st ejection along these lines in about 40 decades in MLB
1984 Charlie Robertson, threw perfect game in 1922, dies
1985 MLB debut: Andres Galaragga
1989 Rick Dempsey homers for LA to end 22 inning game 1-0. Latest a walk-off homer has ever happened in the NL
1989 Larry Walker, he of 7 career SH in 8,030 PA, has 2 SH in one game. LAD 1, MTL 0 (22!!!!)
1989 LA 1, MTL 0 (22). MTL pitchers set Retorsheet record: 22 IP w/out allowing a walk
1991 Terry Shumpert, KCR 2B, charged w/ the rare 4-base error: collides w/ RF Danny Tartabull hit by TEX JuanGone. 3 score, TEX wins
1992 double no-hitter in Class A Flordia State League: Andy Carter (Clearwater) & Scott Bakum (Winter Haven). Cl win 1-0 on 2 walk inning
1994 Butte 22, Billings 21 in Pioneer League. Game ends 15-game winning streak for Billings
1998 Blue Angels buzz Wrigley during game
1998 400 homers: Barry Bonds
1999 Bud Selig announces Pete Rose will be invited to World Series if he’s named part of All-Century Team
2000 Fans in DET flee their seats when six-legged insects swarm there. Don’t bother the players, though
2001 Randy Johnson, ARI, fans side vs PIT on 9 pitces in the 6th
2001 Barry Bonds & Shawon Dunston, SFG, hit back-to-back pinch-hit HR. Only the 12th time tha’s ever happened in MLB history
2002 Hoyt Wilhelm dies
2003 Bobby Bonds dies
2009 PHI-NYM game ends when Mets hit into unassisted triple play (2B Eric Bruntlett gets all 3 outs). Jef Francoeur hits into it
2010 Rafael Soriano, TBR, fans side on 9 pitches in 9th vs LAA
2011 Matt Holliday, STL, takes self out of game vs LAD when a wayword moth settles inside his ear
2017 Zach Britton, BAL, blows his first save opportunity after 60 straight ones converted. BAL 8, OAK 7 (12). Manny Machado with his 2nd walk-off homer in a week
2017 PIT 1, LAD 0 (10). Rich Hill throws no-hitter after 9 - but gives up walk-off homer to end no-hitter & lose the game in the 10th
   26. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 23, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5732400)
1989 Rick Dempsey homers for LA to end 22 inning game 1-0. Latest a walk-off homer has ever happened in the NL

They were in Montreal, so technically not a walk-off.
   27. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 23, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5732401)
I guess for pro athletes, retirement is akin to death. You just live out your life slowly aging in your mansion. That's why we have Jeter (and Jordan) the owner, and A-rod the commentator, and Molitor the manager.

Does that mean if someone handed me $100MM today and I quit my job, after a year or two I'd be unhappy?


I don't think that's really fair. Playing baseball is fun. There are lots of other things Holliday could be doing with his life, many of which would be rewarding and enjoyable, but there isn't anything else as exciting as playing baseball every day for a team in a pennant race. That doesn't mean he'd have a bad life outside of baseball - but why give it up if you think you have something left in the tank?
   28. Batman Posted: August 23, 2018 at 02:32 PM (#5732402)
The Rockies have called up Matt Holliday, who signed a minor league contract with them a few weeks ago. He was hitting .346/.452/.596 at Albuquerque.
2011 Matt Holliday, STL, takes self out of game vs LAD when a wayword moth settles inside his ear


Happy anniversary, Matt!
   29. Ziggy's screen name Posted: August 23, 2018 at 04:53 PM (#5732500)
Today does have a good birthday team. Unfortunately for Aug. 23rd, it also has a good chance of being contracted.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 23, 2018 at 04:57 PM (#5732501)
That's exactly as old as Gen. George Meade was the day the last day of the Battle of Gettysburg.


Fun, non-dictator based, "exactly as old as" for me today.
   31. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 23, 2018 at 06:20 PM (#5732531)
One is Gus Mancuso, and I don't know if I can formulate a question that would elicit "Gus Mancuso."


One was a longtime National League catcher of the 1930s and 40s, who made two All-Star teams and played in five World Series, and in one BBWAA Hall of Fame election received as many votes as Warren Spahn.
   32. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 23, 2018 at 06:38 PM (#5732547)
and in one BBWAA Hall of Fame election received as many votes as Warren Spahn.

I love weird old-time HOF voting results like this. At the time of this vote (in 1958), Spahn was not only still active, but still good. He had just led the NL in wins for the second of what would eventually be five consecutive years, and finished second in the Cy Young voting (back when there was only one award for baseball as a whole).

Also, to be fair, Mancuso has received the same number of votes as Spahn in every other election as well, with the exception of 1973 (when Spahn was selected on the first ballot for which he was actually eligible).
   33. AndrewJ Posted: August 23, 2018 at 07:20 PM (#5732574)
August 23rd is one of the year's strongest Birthday Teams. 8/23 is up there with 12/20 for depth.

Also today in baseball history... In 1981, Mike Schmidt hit his only career grand slam in a game where Steve Carlton was the starting pitcher. I was there.
   34. BDC Posted: August 23, 2018 at 07:57 PM (#5732590)
I apologize for underestimating this board on matters Mancuso :)

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