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Monday, August 27, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-27-2018

Washington Herald, August 27, 1918:

Hal Chase, the premier first sacker of organized baseball who was recently given his unconditional release and suspension by the Cincinnati Reds, [yesterday] entered suit against Garry Herrmann, the president of the National Commission, and the Cincinatti [sic] ball club for back salary and slander of character. Chase has been accused of throwing games in the National League.

Presumably, the Reds responded by pointing out that it’s not slander if it’s true.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:07 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:15 AM (#5734122)
Today's Birthday Team features the two best players to start at third base for Cleveland since I was born. Cunningham, Vidro, and Thome will do some damage in the middle of the lineup.

C: Ed Herrmann (5.89 WAR)
1B: Jim Thome (72.94 WAR)
2B: Jose Vidro (17.26 WAR)
3B/Manager: Buddy Bell (66.34 WAR)
SS: Peanuts Lowrey (12.13 WAR)
LF: Jim King (11.25 WAR)
CF: Brian McRae (14.34 WAR)
RF: Joe Cunningham (22.37 WAR)

SP: Ernie Broglio (18.05 WAR)
SP: Phil Collins (14.67 WAR)
SP: Doc McJames (11.57 WAR)
SP: Cecil Ferguson (3.44 WAR)
SP: Nick Tropeano (1.43 WAR)
RP: Mike Maddux (5.44 WAR)

Owner: Louise Nippert
Fun names: Baldy Louden, Patrick Wisdom, Bun Troy, Kitty Brashear, Dizzy Nutter, Scrappy Carroll, Pee Wee Butts
Not that one: Billy Buckner (-0.98 WAR)
Prospect flameout: Josh Vitters (-1.34 WAR)
   2. BDC Posted: August 27, 2018 at 10:30 AM (#5734127)
Just a few box-score-line records today, two of them with some obscure-ish trivia answers (in bold). Most times with the exact line ab/r/h/bi in the regular season since 1908:

4 2 4 2 : Ty Cobb, 4 times

4 3 4 2 and 4 4 4 2 : Four guys figure here; two of them had three 4342 games and two had two 4442s.

They are complementary pairs. In each pair there's an earlier guy who's a HOF RHB batter who played in the AL, one mostly and the other entirely. The two earlier guys were rough contemporaries; one played in the other's major-league debut; they were white guys from segregation times. Both grew up on the mid-Atlantic seaboard.

In each pair there's a later guy who's an All-Star but not a HOFer. One is Dominican-born and the other of Dominican ancestry. They are exact baseball contemporaries; the third game that one played in the majors was the eleventh game that the other played; both are retired now. One, oddly for his era, played for six clubs but all in the NL. The other played for seven, started in the NL but eventually played more in the AL.

4 5 4 2 : four have done this once, most recently Kevin Mench in 2004


   3. dlf Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5734174)
RP: Mike Maddux (5.44 WAR)


Mike is about five years older than little brother Greg but both reached the Majors in the same season. I wonder at what point Mike ceased being better than Greg - I'm guessing somewhere between 20/15 and 23/18. As the oldest in my family, I know it rankled me a little when little brothers passed me by athletically even though sports were never such a central part of my identity.
   4. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:47 AM (#5734180)
As the oldest in my family, I know it rankled me a little when little brothers passed me by athletically even though sports were never such a central part of my identity.


My immediately older sister could beat me in basketball until I grew taller than her in 11th grade. In my defense, she was a key starter on her Philadelphia Catholic League back to back championships and made varsity one year at PSU. She was the athlete in the family, which irritated me growing up. Two younger sisters played softball for their HS team and one of them played the equivalent of juco. Me, I was dreadfully slow afoot and couldn't get around on a fast ball, so I was doomed.
   5. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 27, 2018 at 11:52 AM (#5734186)
In each pair there's an earlier guy who's a HOF RHB batter who played in the AL, one mostly and the other entirely. The two earlier guys were rough contemporaries; one played in the other's major-league debut; they were white guys from segregation times. Both grew up on the mid-Atlantic seaboard.


Let's go with Jimmie Foxx and Harry Heilmann.
   6. BDC Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:08 PM (#5734196)
Foxx is one of the old-timers, the one with three 4342 games. And I stupidly got the other one batting RH; he was actually a LHB. Aaargh.
   7. Itchy Row Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:19 PM (#5734198)
August 27 got the wrong Maddux and the wrong McRae, but the right Bell.

The right Phil Collins too, I guess.
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:24 PM (#5734204)
*to the tune of Sussudio*

"Er-nie Broglio. Whoa-oh!"
   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 27, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5734206)
The Reds are now 1-17 in games started by Homer Bailey. He has been absolutely terrible. 1-12 with a 6.17 era. However, the Reds have only scored 2.75 runs/game on days he started.
   10. eric Posted: August 27, 2018 at 05:58 PM (#5734447)
re: Mike Maddux. His BBREF page lists his high school as Rancho High School in Las Vegas, CA. Hmmm...

There is no Las Vegas, CA that I can find (besides the famous one, there is one in NM and another in TX). Also, there is a Rancho HS in Las Vegas, NV. And his brother went to high school in Las Vegas, NV, although a different one called Valley HS. Since Rancho is a magnet school, that could be part of the reason.

In short, I suspect something might be less than accurate on M. Maddux's bbref page.
   11. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 27, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5734500)
Thanks, eric. I reported the inaccuracy to Sports Reference.
   12. AndrewJ Posted: August 27, 2018 at 08:54 PM (#5734532)
In the early 1980s, today's Birthday Team manager noted that he'd met Bowie Kuhn eight or nine times, and each time the commissioner said, "What a pleasure to meet you!"

Mike is about five years older than little brother Greg but both reached the Majors in the same season. I wonder at what point Mike ceased being better than Greg - I'm guessing somewhere between 20/15 and 23/18. As the oldest in my family, I know it rankled me a little when little brothers passed me by athletically even though sports were never such a central part of my identity.

I wonder if Mike feels like Jodie Foster's older brother Buddy.

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