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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-29-2018

Pittsburgh Press, August 29, 1918:

It is said that Hal Chase is not the only member of the Cincinnati Reds implicated in the stories of “throwing ball games”, which have been in circulation for several weeks.

According to report, another well-known member of the team was mixed up in the alleged crookedness, and his name is likely to be revealed before the Chase investigation has been completed. The stories have it that this man knows he is suspected, and that he has been laying very low for the past two weeks.”

That second player would almost certainly be Lee Magee, who was eventually banned for life after confessing to helping Chase and Heinie Zimmerman fix ballgames in 1918.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:04 AM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5735435)
Not a spectacular Birthday Team today, but it's better than the first team Joe Schultz managed. Now, zitz 'em inside and let's go pound the ol' Budweiser.

C: Anthony Recker (1.29 WAR)
1B: Ryan Shealy (1.59 WAR)
2B: Pep Young (6.03 WAR)
3B: Doug DeCinces (41.68 WAR)
SS: Billy Cox (9.94 WAR)
LF: Chris Taylor (8.56 WAR)
CF: Aaron Rowand (20.94 WAR)
RF: Ford Garrison (0.91 WAR)

SP: Roy Oswalt (50.13 WAR)
SP: Noah Syndergaard (11.5 WAR)
SP: Elmer Stricklett (3.48 WAR)
SP: Brent Suter (2.85 WAR)
SP: Orval Grove (1.61 WAR)
RP: Marc Rzepczynski (3.06 WAR)

Manager: Joe Schultz
Catcher in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame, probably better than Recker: Tsutomu Itoh
Fun names: Buck Marrow, Hap Collard, Lefty Schegg, Ensign Cottrell
Negro leagues pitcher, probably better than Grove: Rats Henderson
None of those ones: Reggie Williams
Not that one: Jack Warner
Not that one: Dan Schneider
Top prospect: Alex Reyes (2.28 WAR)
Umpires: Dan Barry, John Quinn, Jeff Kellogg
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5735438)
Negro leagues pitcher, probably better than Grove: Rats Henderson

That's a weird one when you read out of order :-)
   3. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5735461)
By the way, everyone knows about Chris Davis' bad season, but Victor Martinez has been almost as bad. He hasn't played an inning in the field. He is a slow baserunner (he hasn't had a triple or a steal since 2014). He can't get on base and he has no power.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:15 PM (#5735468)
By the way, everyone knows about Chris Davis' bad season, but Victor Martinez has been almost as bad. He hasn't played an inning in the field. He is a slow baserunner (he hasn't had a triple or a steal since 2014). He can't get on base and he has no power.

On this particular "leaderboard" it's:

Chris Davis -2.4 fWAR
Victor Martinez -1.7
Trayce Thompson -1.3
Magneuris Sierra -1.3
Dexter Fowler -1.2

Thompson and Sierra deserve a shout-out for delivering that "value" in only 137, and 91 PA respectively.
   5. stanmvp48 Posted: August 29, 2018 at 12:35 PM (#5735485)
Hunter Pence has to be in that area himself
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:20 PM (#5735532)
Hunter Pence has to be in that area himself

Only -0.8. Maybe BRef has him worse, though?
   7. Man o' Schwar Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:32 PM (#5735548)
Looks like on BBRef it's:

Chris Davis -1.9 bWAR
Dexter Fowler -1.4
Pedro Severino -1.3
Hunter Dozier -1.3
Noel Cuevas -1.3
Austin Jackson -1.3
Pat Valaika -1.2
Eduardo Nunez -1.2
Victor Martinez -1.2

Trayce Thompson is -1.1, Sierra is -1.0. Hunter Pence is -0.6.
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5735580)
Can anyone care to guess who has the worst pitcher WAR in the National League (according to baseball reference)?

He's a reliever, and just last year he was in the top 10 in reliever WAR in the NL. Although in 2016, he was the worst in the AL in pitcher WAR. But in 2015, he had a positive 1.4 WAR. It's hard for a 1-inning reliever to get that far above and below zero WAR, but he's been alternating back and forth. Despite his terrible season, he just pitched (ineffectively) last night.

Any guesses?
   9. PreservedFish Posted: August 29, 2018 at 02:11 PM (#5735609)
Greg Holland?
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5735615)
I cheated and looked it up and to be honest, I've never heard of him
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 02:23 PM (#5735625)
Greg Holland?
Good guess but he's been effective lately so his 2018 isn't bad enough. Nor was his 2017 good enough.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 29, 2018 at 02:38 PM (#5735642)
Victor Martinez -1.7

Victor Martinez -1.2

Strange to see that big a difference on a DH. Usually it's the fielding where they disagree.
   13. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 29, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5735654)
It's hard to believe there's a reliever worse than Bryan Shaw and his -1.2 WAR. Shaw has that rare combination of being terrible (6.16 ERA) and pitching a ton (55 games so far).
   14. PreservedFish Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5735675)
I too looked up the answer. Hey hey hey!
   15. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:17 PM (#5735688)
That’s kinda insane:

2015: 37 innings, 1.21 ERA, 1.4 WAR
2016: 51 innings, 6.31 ERA, Negative 1.9 WAR
2017: 61 innings, 1.62 ERA, 2.4 WAR
2018: 32 innings, 7.24 ERA, Negative 1.6 WAR
   16. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5735690)
10- Hes famous! For a long time he held the record of most Games Finished without a save!
   17. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:23 PM (#5735693)
10- Hes famous! For a long time he held the record of most Games Finished without a save!
He was a throw-in in the Gregorious/Bauer/Choo trade!
   18. Batman Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:26 PM (#5735697)
That’s kinda insane:
It's the Saberhagen effect, except Saberhagen was still pretty good in the even years when he wasn't great.
   19. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:28 PM (#5735699)
Can anyone care to guess who has the worst pitcher WAR in the National League (according to baseball reference)?


He is only worst because Homer Bailey got hurt...

Cincinnati Reds Pride! woo!
   20. PreservedFish Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:45 PM (#5735717)
The Royals have three of the worst five pitchers in the majors this year. They're the AL's two worst relievers and worst starter (Boyer, Grimm and Hammel).
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 29, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5735735)
Clayton Richard has put up an Adam Eaton-like performance of 73 ERA+ while not missing a start, leading the league in ER by quite a lot and leading the league in hits allowed for the second straight year. Unfortunately they just put him on the DL because both of his knees have needed surgery since April.

BTW he is apparently in the middle of a 3-year, $8 million contract he signed as an unrestricted free agent and 8-year veteran starting pitcher. Who signs contracts like that anymore?
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:33 PM (#5735762)
By the way, the guy in #8 is Matt Albers. He's been on lots of teams and is currently torpedoing the Brewers' playoff chances.
   23. puck Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:37 PM (#5735764)
What do people think of Kyle Freeland?

He has a good chance at the greatest pitching season in Rockies history (which granted, is a low bar).

He's up to 6.9 bWAR, ERA+ of 159 after last night's start vs the Angels.

I thought he'd be one of the rookie pitchers from 2017 who would regress a little since his ERA (4.10) was lower than his FIP (4.57). His peripherals this year are unimpressive - 7.8 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9. As you'd guess, this year the FIP/ERA disparity is greater (2.90 ERA to 3.80 FIP).

It doesn't look sustainable...his OPS allowed with the bases empty is .766 but with runners in scoring position, .503. He both cuts out all the HR's (14 with bases empty, 1 with a runner on 1st, and none with RISP) and walks fewer batters.

If his ERA were closer to his FIP he'd still be pretty good, so I guess he's got that going for him, which is nice.
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 29, 2018 at 04:40 PM (#5735766)
BTW he is apparently in the middle of a 3-year, $8 million contract he signed as an unrestricted free agent and 8-year veteran starting pitcher. Who signs contracts like that anymore?
The Padres apparently can still be counted on to sign the dumb "veteran credibility" overpay contracts.
   25. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:14 PM (#5735797)
Seems more dumb on his part than the Padres' part. As soon as he joined them in 2016 he became a pretty good innings eater which he also was in 2017.
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 29, 2018 at 05:22 PM (#5735802)
When he signed the deal in December 2016, he was coming off of a 9-start (11 games pitched) stint with San Diego in which he was superficially effective but with terrible peripherals. He was beyond terrible earlier in 2016 as a Cubs reliever, and average with bad peripherals in the same role in 2015. He was injured (I assume) in 2014 and pitched in only 4 games in the minors for Arizona. In 2013, he put up a 7.01 ERA, 49 ERA+ in 11 starts (12 games) for the Padres. So the "8-year veteran starting pitcher" description isn't exactly accurate. You don't sign a guy like that to a multi-year deal for any amount of money.
   27. Hank Gillette Posted: August 29, 2018 at 09:59 PM (#5736025)
Looks like on BBRef it's:

Chris Davis -1.9 bWAR


Am I misremembering, or was he quite a bit lower than that earlier in the season?
   28. KJOK Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:54 AM (#5736094)
Negro leagues pitcher, probably better than Grove: Rats Henderson


Almost certainly better than Stricklett.
   29. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 30, 2018 at 12:55 AM (#5736095)
I thought he'd be one of the rookie pitchers from 2017 who would regress a little since his ERA (4.10) was lower than his FIP (4.57). His peripherals this year are unimpressive - 7.8 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9. As you'd guess, this year the FIP/ERA disparity is greater (2.90 ERA to 3.80 FIP).


Freeland gets a LOT of double plays - about twice as many as any other pitcher on the staff - but FIP doesn't bother to count that.

Jon Gray's ERA/FIP differential is even greater in the other direction, so it's not like the Rockies have gotten lucky on the whole. Teamwide, their ERA is 4.56 but their FIP is just 4.14.

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