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Thursday, August 02, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-2-2018

Pittsburgh Press, August 2, 1918:

Larry Doyle has discovered that he was born on July 31, 1885, instead of a year later, and consequently is not in the army draft. He says he was 33 years old Wednesday. Doyle has obtained an affidavit from the priest who christened him at the time of his birth in Caseyville, Ill., and the document will be filed immediately with his local board.

I’m not going to say Doyle was lying, and I’d understand his motivation if this were a lie. But in 1913, he applied for a passport listing his birthdate as 1886. This would have been an extremely convenient time to find out that birthdate was wrong.

Weirdly, the 1930 census lists Doyle as being 41 years old, so I have no idea what to make of any of this.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:11 AM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:17 AM (#5719559)
The recent streak of decent Birthday Teams has come to an abrupt end. Danny Sheaffer may well have the lowest WAR total of anyone on a Birthday Team roster - they'd almost have to be better off telling the next best bat on the bench (Lloyd Merriman?) to go get an infielder's glove and do the best he can at third base.

C: Humberto Quintero (1.78 WAR)
1B: Luke Hughes (0.48 WAR)
2B: Joe Dillon (0.63 WAR)
3B: Danny Sheaffer (-4.73 WAR)
SS: Paul DeJong (4.08 WAR)
LF: Kid Nance (2.13 WAR)
CF: Grady Sizemore (27.28 WAR)
RF: Bombo Rivera (2.48 WAR)

SP: Tim Wakefield (34.29 WAR)
SP: Red Ames (24.41 WAR)
SP: Colby Lewis (8.74 WAR)
SP: Still Bill Hill (6.86 WAR)
SP: Parker Bridwell (1.51 WAR)
RP: Tom Burgmeier (17.25 WAR)
RP: Huston Street (14.38 WAR)
RP: Matt Guerrier (7.96 WAR)

General Manager: Al Avila
Umpire: Ollie Chill
Fun name: Tink Riviere (-0.79 WAR)
Not that one: Dwight Stone (-1.63 WAR)
Pretty good: Dae-Sung Koo (0.25 WAR)
What was he good for?: War Sanders (-1.66 WAR)
Writer: Charles Einstein
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 10:52 AM (#5719576)
CF: Grady Sizemore (27.28 WAR)

between ages 22-25, he averaged 6.2 WAR per year---then had 1.2 WAR total between ages 26-32
   3. caspian88 Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5719602)
War Sanders sure wasn't good for WAR.
   4. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5719612)
War Sanders had three 20-win seasons, two for Nashville in the Southern Association and one for Omaha in the Western League, back in deadball days. Decent leagues, for white baseball of the time. Never did much in the majors, though.
   5. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:40 AM (#5719614)
they'd almost have to be better off telling the next best bat on the bench (Lloyd Merriman?) to go get an infielder's glove and do the best he can at third base.


Merriman threw left, so him playing third might be interesting. Merriman was caught in the exact same situation that Ted Williams was in regards to Korea. Merriman was a Marine Corps aviator in WW2 (he spent much of his time playing baseball, but he did learn to fly) who agreed to remain in the Marine Reserves in order to be discharged in 1946. When the Korean War came and the Marines were short of pilots, he was recalled, and missed his age 27 and 28 seasons flying F9F jets in Korea, completing 87 combat missions.
   6. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:45 AM (#5719617)
Merriman was a star fullback. A United Press story dated October 23, 1946, about the upcoming Stanford-Southern California game, commented that Stanford's line had been opening holes for “the finest fullback in the West. His name is Lloyd Merriman and he can do just about anything expected of a halfback, including skirt the ends, kick, and pass. He goes into the USC game with a record of averaging better than five yards carrying.”

Although Merriman chose not to play pro football, the Chicago Bears of the National Football League and the Los Angeles Dons of the All-American Football Conference drafted the hard-running Stanford back.

“I signed a contract with the Reds after we finished Stanford's baseball season, so I never played football after that. They gave me a bonus of $12,000. I started playing minor league ball in 1948, but I would go back to Stanford in the offseason. I would take classes in the winter quarter, and that’s how I graduated in 1949.”

In 1948 the Reds sent Merriman to Columbia of the seven-team class A South Atlantic League. With sixth place Columbia, Merriman hit .298 and led the league in runs scored with 120, triples with 18, and stolen bases with 44. Local fans nicknamed him “Citation” because of his speed. He also made the league’s All-Star team as an outfielder.


How big of a bonus was $12,000 in 1948?
   7. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:48 AM (#5719618)
Box-score-line records, most times with the exact ab/r/h/bi line since 1908. Several Hall of Famers appear today, with a few trivia items in bold:

4 0 3 1 : done 15 times by a HOF shortstop, playing through the aches and pains

4 0 3 2 : Two HOFers active in the 1930s & '40s did this twice. Both hit right-handed and each won two batting titles

4 0 3 3 : five men have done this four times, the only active one being Yadier Molina

4 0 3 4 : 14 tied with two

4 0 3 5 : the only player to do this twice was an NL All-Star RH slugger of the post-WW2 years, largely forgotten now, but he had a 39-WAR career

4 0 3 6 : eight men have done this once, the last being Augie Ojeda in 2008

4 0 3 7 : only achieved once, by a HOFer in 1948. Can you guess him? Here's the day he had for his team, who won 12-4 over Chicago:

2-run double with nobody out, never got to third base
fouled out
2-run double with two out, also "died" at second
walked home a run, forced out at second
2-run single with one out, got as far as second and "died" again
   8. Batman Posted: August 02, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5719620)
It's the anniversary of Thurman Munson's death. Quintera, Lewis, and Matt Riley were all born that day.

I had a flight redirected to the Akron-Canton airport last year because of the weather in Pittsburgh. For some reason, I was hoping to see a Munson monument, but they didn't let us off the plane.
   9. RickA. Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5719626)
4031 - Luke Appling
4037 - Stan Musial
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:10 PM (#5719632)
I was guessing Andy Pafko or Joe Adcock for 4035, but apparently neither are correct.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5719633)
4 0 3 5 : the only player to do this twice was an NL All-Star RH slugger of the post-WW2 years, largely forgotten now, but he had a 39-WAR career


Del Ennis? He isn't a HOFer so I would say he's largely forgotten.
   12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:12 PM (#5719636)
I had a flight redirected to the Akron-Canton airport last year because of the weather in Pittsburgh. For some reason, I was hoping to see a Munson monument, but they didn't let us off the plane.
I grew up about two miles from the Akron-Canton airport and vaguely remember the Munson crash happening. (I was almost four years old at the time.)

AFAIK, there's no Munson monument there, or at least there wasn't one the last time I was at the airport. There is a stadium named for him, but it's kind of a garbage facility. It wasn't great when they built it, and that was 30 years ago. I love the place, spent many many summer nights there as a teenager, but it's pretty much just a giant erector set built around a swamp.
   13. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5719637)
Appling is correct; Musial is not.

Pafko, Adcock, and Ennis are all incorrect, but are good guesses; the answer is a player about as famous as they were, at the time.
   14. oscar madisox Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5719640)
Is 4037 Ted Williams?
   15. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:27 PM (#5719646)
4 0 3 2 : Two HOFers active in the 1930s & '40s did this twice. Both hit right-handed and each won two batting titles


Foxx and DiMaggio?
   16. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:32 PM (#5719649)
Pafko, Adcock, and Ennis are all incorrect, but are good guesses; the answer is a player about as famous as they were, at the time.


Hank Sauer?
   17. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5719656)
Foxx, DiMaggio, and Sauer are incorrect.

4037 is Ted Williams, yes. I posted the list and only then saw that Williams and even 1948 had been mentioned in earlier comments, but thought what the heck.

Those Red Sox 1946-50 had some days when they just binged on offense.
   18. dlf Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5719667)
RF: Bombo Rivera (2.48 WAR)


Oh man, I loved Bombo when I was a kid. He basically platooned with Hosken Powell for Gene Mauch and the late 70s Twins. Those names were enough for an impressionable pre-teen. Disco Dan and Craig Kusick. Butch and Roy. Gary Truth Serum.
   19. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 02, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5719670)
Foxx, DiMaggio, and Sauer are incorrect.


Wow. There's 2 more RH HOFers active in the 30's and 40's who won 2 batting titles?

edit: Apparently there are.
   20. Hank Gillette Posted: August 02, 2018 at 01:33 PM (#5719696)
Weirdly, the 1930 census lists Doyle as being 41 years old, so I have no idea what to make of any of this.



There are all kinds of anomalies in census data. I’ve seen ages wildly wrong (based on other census records or grave markers), names butchered (some of my ancestors were named Bauer; in one census they were listed as “Bower”), and names rendered one census by first name, another by middle name, and yet others just by initials. It makes more sense when you realize that most of the census takers were temporary hires who for whatever reason did not already have a job.

It is a pleasure, though, to see the Spencerian Script (think Coca-Cola logo) handwriting of a few of the census takers in the late 1800s-early 1900s.
   21. QLE Posted: August 02, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5719708)
It makes more sense when you realize that most of the census takers were temporary hires who for whatever reason did not already have a job.


It also helps to remember that, in many cases, the informant providing information to the census taker was someone other than the person in the census entry, meaning that accuracy depended on how well said informant knew the people they were providing information about.
   22. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 01:55 PM (#5719716)
in many cases, the informant providing information to the census taker was someone other than the person in the census entry, meaning that accuracy depended on how well said informant knew the people


None of which excuses my Aunt Sheila for giving my grandpa's name in the 1940 Census as Donald Duck O'Reilly.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:00 PM (#5719721)
None of which excuses my Aunt Sheila for giving my grandpa's name in the 1940 Census as Donald Duck O'Reilly.
the right spelling was O'Riley?
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:07 PM (#5719728)
Those Red Sox 1946-50 had some days when they just binged on offense.

The 1950 Red Sox have the distinction of being the last team to bat .300.
   25. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 02, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5719776)
4 0 3 2 - Ernie Lombardi?
   26. Batman Posted: August 02, 2018 at 03:35 PM (#5719822)
The 1999 Rockies are the last team to give up a .300 opponents average. The Rockies and A's both did it in 1997.
   27. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:12 PM (#5719844)
Ernie Lombardi shares the record for 4032 games, indeed.
   28. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:28 PM (#5719855)
4032 - Al Simmons or Ducky Joe?
   29. BDC Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:42 PM (#5719873)
Al Simmons is the other 4032 record-holder.
   30. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 02, 2018 at 04:52 PM (#5719879)
Al Simmons is the other 4032 record-holder.


To me, Al Simmons is a 20s-30s guy, but, i guess he did play a little bit in the 40s.
   31. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 02, 2018 at 05:42 PM (#5719913)
Al Simmons is the other 4032 record-holder.


The centerfielder on the All Polack team.
   32. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 02, 2018 at 05:47 PM (#5719918)
The centerfielder on the All Polack team.

Are you moving A.J. to left or right?
   33. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 02, 2018 at 05:51 PM (#5719921)
Are you moving A.J. to left or right?


He's the catcher
   34. AndrewJ Posted: August 02, 2018 at 07:52 PM (#5719982)
I’m not going to say Doyle was lying, and I’d understand his motivation if this were a lie. But in 1913, he applied for a passport listing his birthdate as 1886. This would have been an extremely convenient time to find out that birthdate was wrong.

That wasn't uncommon in that era. Babe Ruth always thought he was born on February 7, 1894 until 1934, when he located his birth certificate to get a passport for his tour of Japan. It turned out he was actually born on February 6, 1895.

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