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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-31-2018

Chicago Eagle, August 31, 1918:

When the baseball rules are getting their next revision, whenever that may be, an effort will be made to change the present interpretation in regard to home runs which decide ball games. Under the system now in vogue a batsman may hit the ball outside a park, but if the runners on bases [sic] settle the game the hitter does not get credit for his home run, and it does not go into the records as such.

I guess I understand how that came to be - when the scoring rules were written, they weren’t really thinking about guys hitting the ball 450 feet. Still, changing this was a good idea.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:36 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5736969)
It's the second Birthday Team in a row with multiple Hall of Famers. Not too shabby.

C: Duke Farrell (23.07 WAR)
1B: Von Hayes (29.87 WAR)
2B: Ramon Santiago (7.62 WAR)
3B: Ray Dandridge (0.00 WAR)
SS: Monte Cross (16.94 WAR)
LF: Danny Litwhiler (19.02 WAR)
CF: Claudell Washington (19.58 WAR)
RF/Manager: Frank Robinson (107.32 WAR)

SP: Eddie Plank (91.47 WAR)
SP: Tom Candiotti (41.27 WAR)
SP: Red Ehret (21.85 WAR)
SP: Hideo Nomo (21.01 WAR)
SP: Buster Brown (12.49 WAR)
RP: Sarge Connally (8.13 WAR)

Fun names: Dad Clarkson, Boots Day, Buzz Dozier
General Manager: Leslie O'Connor
Home run giver upper: Tracy Stallard (3.13 WAR)
Not that one: Tim Raines (0.18 WAR)
Not that one: Jack White
Umpires: Ted Hendry, Nobuaki Nidegawa
   2. Itchy Row Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5736981)
In separate deals, Claudell Washington was traded for the fathers of two of the top seven career HR hitters.
   3. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:31 PM (#5736997)
BASEBALL TRIVIA QUESTION

Can you identify what unusual trait links the members of this All-Time Great lineup?

C: Joe Torre
1B: Fred McGriff
2B: Rogers Hornsby
3B: Bill Madlock
SS: Luis Aparicio
LF: Gary Sheffield
CF: Hack Wilson
RF: Al Oliver
DH: Orlando Cepeda

SP Christy Mathewson
SP Sam McDowell
SP Bobo Newsom
SP Denny McLain
SP Burleigh Grimes
SP Allie Reynolds
CL Hoyt Wilhelm

Manager: Jimmy Dykes
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:47 PM (#5737006)
None of them have ever been in my kitchen.
   5. RMc accompanies the Griffmen to Augusta Posted: August 31, 2018 at 01:48 PM (#5737007)
One drank a lot of Pepsi and had his toes broken by the Mob. The others didn't.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5737018)
Were they all traded for Hall of Famers?
   7. Itchy Row Posted: August 31, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5737020)
Ichiro could be all of them if he wanted to.
   8. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5737021)
Were they all traded for Hall of Famers?
Correct! (A few were traded for each other!) We got:

C: Joe Torre (Orlando Cepeda)
1B: Fred McGriff (Roberto Alaomar)
2B: Rogers Hornsby (Frankie Frisch)
3B: Bill Madlock (Fergie Jenkins)
SS: Luis Aparicio (Hoyt Wilhelm)
LF: Gary Sheffield (Mike Piazza)
CF: Hack Wilson (Burleigh Grimes)
RF: Al Oliver (Bert Blyleven)
DH: Orlando Cepeda (Joe Torre)

SP Christy Mathewson (Amos Rusie)
SP Sam McDowell (Gaylord Perry)
SP Bobo Newsom (Rick Ferrell)
SP Denny McLain (Orlando Cepeda)
SP Allie Reynolds (Joe Gordon)
CL Hoyt Wilhelm (Luis Aparicio)
   9. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 02:55 PM (#5737025)
BASEBALL TRIVIA PART 2:

I *believe* there is only one active player (ie, played a Major League game in 2018) who has been traded for a Hall of Famer. CAN YOU NAME HIM?
   10. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:00 PM (#5737028)
BONUS:

I found a second, more interesting answer, who, while he hasn’t played in the *Majors* in 2018, has played a dozen games with the Long Island Ducks (in an effort to make it back to the Majors and resume his All-Star career—he hasn’t played since 2016 unfortunately.)

Can you name him?
   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:06 PM (#5737032)
It's the second Birthday Team in a row with multiple Hall of Famers. Not too shabby.


Four, if you count Hideo Nomo, who is in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.
   12. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:09 PM (#5737036)
Gio Gonzales was part of a trade from the White Sox to the Phillies for Jim Thome.
   13. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:12 PM (#5737038)
12- Correct! He’s the Major Leaguer.

Any guess on the Duck? As a HINT: catcher, 1-time All-Star.
   14. Itchy Row Posted: August 31, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5737048)
Danny Richar, who was one of the players the White Sox traded for Griffey, played in a game for an Atlantic League team apparently just named "Road Warriors" this year. So that's two active Atlantic League Players and one major leaguer who have been traded for a Hall of Famer.

From Wikipedia: "The Road Warriors are a professional baseball team owned by the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball. The traveling team has operated intermittently throughout the league's history, usually being activated in years when the league otherwise has an odd number of teams."

The Road Warriors are 26-84 this year.
   15. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 31, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5737053)
Four, if you count Hideo Nomo, who is in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.
Five, if you count Nobuaki Nidegawa, who's an umpire in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.

You probably shouldn't count Nidegawa, though.
   16. phredbird Posted: August 31, 2018 at 04:36 PM (#5737060)

i think the answer to #10 was mentioned in another thread the other day, so i guess it's cheating if i say who it is ...
   17. Itchy Row Posted: August 31, 2018 at 04:48 PM (#5737062)
i think the answer to #10 was mentioned in another thread the other day, so i guess it's cheating if i say who it is ...
I saw a thread where somebody mentioned Saltalamacchia playing in the minors this year, but he's not the answer.
   18. JJ1986 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 04:54 PM (#5737064)
They never made the majors, but both guys traded from Baltimore for Thome- Gabriel Lino (high-a) and Kyle Simon (Atl) - are active.
   19. Davo cant be eatin thirty hot dogs every day Posted: August 31, 2018 at 05:07 PM (#5737069)
Number 10 was....Dioner Navarro! (Yankees traded him to Arizona for Randy Johnson.)
   20. phredbird Posted: August 31, 2018 at 05:54 PM (#5737087)
huh, i thought it was jason kendall. maybe i am not remembering right ...

come to think of it, it was jason kendall, but not because he was necessarily trying for a comeback, he was just playing because he wants to.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 31, 2018 at 06:59 PM (#5737107)
The Road Warriors used to be called the "Pennsylvania Road Warriors". I think because they replaced the Allentown Ambassadors after their stadium was condemned or something like that.
   22. AndrewJ Posted: August 31, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5737120)
Von "Five-for-one" Hayes, though the combined WAR of the five players he was traded for was only about twice Von's 29.9. He was actually OK in 1986-87 and I think the Philly phans phorgave him -- at The Vet's last game in 2003, he received one of the longer ovations of any of the retired players.
   23. catomi01 Posted: August 31, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5737137)
The Road Warriors used to be called the "Pennsylvania Road Warriors". I think because they replaced the Allentown Ambassadors after their stadium was condemned or something like that.


They replaced the Lehigh Valley Black Diamonds actually - who from what I understand played in a community college or something like that for the 3 seasons they played before becoming the Road Warriors for a few years. One of their managers during the Road Warrior years was Jeff Scott - one of the nicest guys in baseball, but also one of the heaviest drinkers. My goal when hanging out with him was to drink 1 for every 2 he had...and the first time they came through Bridgeport when I worked there, i know I had most of a case of beer myself. I also discovered that night that bars in CT will provide you with a to-go cup for your drink at last call.
   24. stevegamer Posted: August 31, 2018 at 09:50 PM (#5737194)
The Road Warriors have had a few incarnations. I think one of them replaced the Black Diamonds.

This incarnation replaced the Bridgeport Bluefish, but are only playing this year. High Point will have a team next year.
   25. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 31, 2018 at 11:30 PM (#5737273)
Aha, that's right. The Lehigh Valley Black Diamonds who spent 3 seasons vaguely existing and playing home games in places other than the Lehigh Valley, before giving up and becoming the Road Warriors.

And the Allentown Ambassadors weren't even in the relatively exalted Atlantic League, they were in the Northeast League (along with the New Jersey Jackals, Elmira Pioneers, Brockton Rox...).
   26. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 01, 2018 at 10:29 AM (#5737352)
Speaking of the Atlantic League, I saw Endy "Inning" Chavez playing for the Somerset Patriots. He batted 3rd!

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