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Monday, August 04, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-4-2014

Logan [Utah] Republican, August 4, 1914:

We hereby issue a challenge to the Mendon baseball team to play a game of baseball on the B.Y. campus at once, the sooner the better, for $100 a side and winner to take all gate receipts.

We have understood that the Mendon team is crowing that it can defeat the team compused of the Kidmans’ [sic] of the valley. Now put up or shut up as the Kidman boys are ready.

Manager Kidman Team

I really like the idea of family-only ballclubs roaming the early 20th century Utah frontiers, picking up odd jobs and playing each other in winner-take-all baseball games.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 08:39 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 08:54 AM (#4763729)
Today's Birthday Team features one of the most accomplished pitchers in history, a guy who threw a no-hitter, the first overall pick in the semi-legendary 1985 draft, two managers with World Series rings, and one of the two greatest right wings* in NHL history.

So it's pretty good.

C: B.J. Surhoff
1B: Jake Beckley
2B: Ski Melillo
3B: Don Kolloway
SS: Chick Galloway
LF: Cleon Jones
CF: Johnny Grubb
RF: Troy O'Leary

SP: Roger Clemens
SP: Dolf Luque
SP: Eric Milton
SP: Bill Hallahan
SP: George Caster
RP: Bob Howry
RP: Scott Linebrink

General Manager: Dallas Green
Manager: John Farrell
Not that one: Cliff Lee
Pinch Hitter: Luke Easter
Opposite of a Pinch Hitter: Ray Oyler
Right Wing/Minor League Infielder: Maurice Richard

* - I've got him behind Howe and ahead of Lafleur, FWIW.
   2. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4763762)
The Game of 8/1/84 was one of the best nine-inning efforts of the year so far. It included standard-issue excellence from one of the better players in baseball and a career day from someone who wasn't. Also, it had a pitching matchup of notable workhorses, and a subtle touch that enhanced its excitement but likely passed unnoticed by most of the fans in attendance. Which leads me to a P-I search request that may or may not be possible: What is the largest number of half-innings (for a nine-inning game) in which the leadoff man has reached base?
   3. Rennie's Tenet Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4763764)
I liked Johnny Grubb, but whatever Johnny Grubb fan did his Wikipedia article left no stone unturned in an attempt to locate his uniqueness: "In the era since the designated hitter came into play (1973), he is the all-time leader among American League players when used as a pinch hitter batting for the #9 hitter in the line-up."
   4. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:59 AM (#4763766)
The Game of 8/1/14 was, like its 30-year-old counterpart, one of the best nine-inning games of the year. It featured a matchup between two pitchers who have superficial similarities, but are about as different as you can be once those similarities are accounted for. Also, there are a passel of lead changes and an uncharacteristic-but-effective performance from a nascent star.
   5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:02 AM (#4763767)
I was in an APBA league in '86, when Grubb had his .333/.412/.590 season, and one of the guys in the league decided he was going to play Grubb at shortstop as the worst possible defensive rating.

I haven't played APBA in 25 years, but at least at the time in the basic game, fielding was calculated collectively. You added all your fielders' defensive ratings together and came up with a team defensive, as a result, Johnny Grubb at SS wouldn't be as catastrophic as it would be in real life, but everybody on the field would be below average defensively.

The "Grubb at SS" gambit was not received warmly.
   6. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:07 AM (#4763769)
The Game of 8/2/84 was a good one - close throughout, multiple lead changes, plenty of blown chances by each team. It ended with a 1-6-3 double play - but not the kind of 1-6-3 double play you expect. It was, in fact, a complete freak of a play that I would very much like to find video of if it is available.
   7. Der-K eats all pumpkin everything Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4763774)
Brett Gardner has 15 HR!?
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:15 AM (#4763776)
The Game of 8/2/14 was one of the best extra-inning games of the year so far, what with all the blown scoring chances and rallies and whatnot. In particular, the final inning featured something that hadn't happened in almost 3 years - and a mention of the last time it did may result in unpleasant flashbacks for the fans of the losing team.
   9. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4763853)
The Game of 8/3/84 was close and well-pitched, despite the fact that one of the starters involved was having a career-alteringly terrible season and the other one would have the same type of year in 1985. Probably in part because of the type of year being had by the first starter, his team's pitcher usage in this game makes no sense to me whatsoever.
   10. Davo Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4763866)
This has gotta be one of the best Birthday Teams we have, right?
   11. Davo Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4763867)
Brett Gardner has 15 HR!?

6 homers and 4 doubles since the All-Star game. Dude is crazy locked in at the moment.
   12. Davo Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4763890)
The Phillies have placed Ryan Howard on revocable waivers. So, ya know, if anyone's interested...
   13. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4763901)
Ruben Amaro is wondering why all the other GMs are not being aggressive and snapping him up.

Why even go revocable in this case?
   14. EddieA Posted: August 04, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4764009)
I guess Kurt Brown ranks as the worst draft pick ever.
   15. Meatwad wont hit were you tell him Posted: August 04, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4764043)
Baez is being called up for tomorrows game, rotster moves soon to be made. cubs need to open up a spot on the 40 man
   16. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4764050)
At least in 2007, Brown sounded like he was doing okay with not having become a baseball star. He's maybe not Bonds/Larkin/Will Clark/Randy Johnson successful in terms of wealth and excellence in his field, but he's now the Vice President of a credit union in California. So that's pretty good.

The USA Today article mentions that he developed a Sasser/Murphy-style mental block about tossing the ball back to the pitcher, and that ended his career. If he'd been a good defensive catcher, he probably would have had (just barely) enough bat to spend some time as a big-league backup or AAAA emergency third catcher.

I guess the good news is that things went better for Brown than they did for Brien Taylor.
   17. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 04, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4764120)
Tanaka threw 50 pitches today and says he felt no pain.
   18. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 04, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4764208)
The Game of 8/3/14 was not quite as good as the game of the day before, but it was fairly close, and involved the same two teams. In this one, each team got a near-career-best day from one of its regulars; it's just that one of those two players actually had some help.
   19. RMc is organizationalwide! Posted: August 04, 2014 at 05:23 PM (#4764221)
The "Grubb at SS" gambit was not received warmly.

Grubb was at least a part-time 3B in the minors (and even played a few MLB games there), so it's not completely crazy. Besides, don't most future major-leaguers play SS (or pitch) in Little League?

Fun fact: Johnny Grubb was drafted by four different teams (Red Sox, Reds, Braves and Padres).

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