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Wednesday, August 06, 2014

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-6-2014

Pittsburgh Press, August 6, 1914:

The Chippewa Indian baseball team recently lost a game to the American Giants in Chicago and blamed the music of the band for their defeat.

Which recalls the story of the protest filed by a German team in Cincinnati years ago. The Germans were playing the Popular Stars, a team that began with O’Ryan and ended with Grady—and a band was out.

The Irish team won, 12 to 4, and the Germans protested. They claimed the band played “The Wearing of the Green” every time the Irish team got runners on the bases and played “The Marseilles” [sic] when the Germans were likely to score.

Das ist nicht höflich.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 08:06 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 08:10 AM (#4765335)
I guess you could call today's Birthday Team the Ken Phelps All-Stars. Not a terrible team - they've got a solid offense, a pretty good ace starter, and a deep (if unspectacular) bullpen.

C: Cam Carreon
1B: Ken Phelps
2B: Sam Mertes
3B: Bob Horner
SS: Bobby Sturgeon
LF: Sherry Magee
CF: Leon Culberson
RF/Manager: Ray Blades

SP: Andy Messersmith
SP: Ray Culp
SP: Milkman Jim Turner
SP: Jim Hardin
SP: Victor Zambrano
RP: Clem Labine
RP: Stan Belinda
RP: Ron Davis
RP: Luis Vizcaino

Fun Names: Brownie Foreman, Blackie Schwamb, Buck Thrasher
   2. KJOK Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4765585)
The Chippewa team didn't need to make excuses - the 1914 Chicago American Giants were an excellent team:

1914 Major Blackball Teams

   3. just plain joe Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4765591)
You just have to wonder whether Bob Horner would have had a better (and longer) career if he had paid any attention at all to conditioning.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4765600)
the 1914 Chicago American Giants were an excellent team
Yeah they were. With that collection of talent (Foster, Lloyd, Monroe, Petway, Hill, DeMoss, Wickware) they may well have been the best baseball team there was in 1914.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4765611)
Which recalls the story of the protest filed by a German team in Cincinnati years ago. The Germans were playing the Popular Stars, a team that began with O’Ryan and ended with Grady—and a band was out.

The Irish team won, 12 to 4, and the Germans protested. They claimed the band played “The Wearing of the Green” every time the Irish team got runners on the bases and played “The Marseilles” [sic] when the Germans were likely to score.


I'm going to use that story. Brilliant.
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4765629)

You just have to wonder whether Bob Horner would have had a better (and longer) career if he had paid any attention at all to conditioning.


Bob Horner looks svelte compared to players today.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4765698)
Cubs claim P Jacob Turner off waivers, DFA OF Nate Schierholtz
   8. Born1951 Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4765720)
Question for bobm or some other Play Index expert. After generating a report and clicking SHARE, I know you can delete all the rows below a certain point by clicking the down arrow on the left. But is there a way to delete all rows above a certain point? I needed to do this and had to do each row manually. Clayton Kershaw has 13 wins after 114 team games, and I was curious about his chances of winning 20. There were 62 pitchers who had exactly 13 wins in their team's first 114 games from 2000-2013, and 24 (38.7%) won 20 or more.
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 06, 2014 at 03:37 PM (#4765751)
Padres Assistant GMs Chad MacDonald and A.J. Hinch have resigned.
   10. just plain joe Posted: August 06, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4765796)
Bob Horner looks svelte compared to players today.


Well sure, he isn't as big as players are today. Still most of the huge players today have reasonably defined muscles, Horner was basically a tub of goo when he played.
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 06, 2014 at 05:09 PM (#4765863)
The Game of 8/5/84 is most notable for a pitching matchup of two consecutive AL Cy Young winners - it's just that the matchup didn't start at the beginning of the game. Not sure if this is something that can be searched or not, but is anyone aware of another game in which Cy Young winners (present, past, or future) got both the win and loss in relief?
   12. bobm Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4765932)
But is there a way to delete all rows above a certain point?

I do not think so. Also, sorting after deleting eliminates the row arrows and x-es, so one cannot delete trailing rows and then re-sort in the opposite order to create new trailing rows one can delete.

I would probably run 2 lists and then manipulate them in a spreadsheet or database - a game finder list of pitcher-seasons with 13+ wins through game 114 and a season finder list of all pitcher-seasons with 13+ wins. Then combine the two sets of pitcher-seasons. Everyone on list 1 will be on list 2 but not vice versa, obviously.
   13. God Posted: August 06, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4765947)
Cy Young winners (present, past, or future) got both the win and loss in relief?


The 7th game of the 2001 World Series was won by Randy Johnson and lost by Mariano Rivera. Of course, Mariano never actually won a Cy Young.
   14. God Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:08 PM (#4765955)
It took me about 10 minutes to find a game matching the criteria in #11. I'm guessing there are a lot more of those than we think.
   15. esseff Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4765963)
   16. bobm Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:46 PM (#4765971)
SI 2013: Rare matchup of Cy Young winners finds Dickey, Price in less than peak form

For just the third time in major league history, the two Cy Young winners from the previous season will square off in a game when R.A. Dickey and the Blue Jays face David Price and the Rays at Tropicana Field on Thursday night. [...]

Looking over the brief history of Cy Young winners squaring off, the annals contain one classic pitcher's duel and one mismatch. On Aug. 28, 1989, Frank Viola — who had been traded from the Twins to the Mets in a 5-for-1 swap on July 31 of that year — spun a three-hit shutout against Orel Hershiser and the defending world champion Dodgers, winning 1-0; Hershiser threw eight innings, allowing the game's lone run in the third. On July 15, 1999, the Braves' Tom Glavine held the defending world champion Yankees to two runs in six innings, while his teammates piled six runs on Roger Clemens in a 6-2 win.

If the number of Cy Young matchups seems small, remember that it wasn't until 1967 that the award was given out in each league, that interleague play didn't begin until 1997, and that just a small handful of winners have changed teams in the next year — either via free agency or trade — to make such matchups possible in the face of those other obstacles.
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: August 06, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4765975)
The Game of 8/5/14 was pretty terrific, featuring a huge hit-free rally, multiple blown golden opportunities in do-or-die innings, an extra-inning comeback, and a game-winning homer off the bat of a top prospect making his big league debut. Yeah, it was a pretty full day.
   18. Born1951 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4766141)
I do not think so. Also, sorting after deleting eliminates the row arrows and x-es, so one cannot delete trailing rows and then re-sort in the opposite order to create new trailing rows one can delete.

Thanks for the reply and suggestion.

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