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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-2-2010

Pittsburg [sic] Press, September 2, 1910:

Cleveland tried out a new shortstop named Knaupp, Tuesday. He played the position like a Chinaman, made no hits and jassaked half his chances.
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Is it the corkcore baseball or the 80-horse-power automobile that is stimulating the hitters to such great batting feats this year? We are curious to know.

Cotton Knaupp: Chin-lung Hu before Chin-lung Hu was Chin-lung Hu.

Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 12:10 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. tribefan Posted: September 02, 2010 at 12:42 PM (#3631780)

"Tub Spencer is again catching regularly for St. Paul. The fat boy is a wonder when it comes to quitting and returning."

2. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 02, 2010 at 01:31 PM (#3631815)

Twenty years ago today

3. Ziggy Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:31 PM (#3631869)

Is there anywhere to get a quick summary of the September call-ups? (For this season?)

4. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:37 PM (#3631879)

I'd use Transactionist, but maybe there's an easier way to do it.

5. JJ1986 Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3631882)

Is there anywhere to get a quick summary of the September call-ups?

I don't know.

Freddie Freeman (and Aroldis Chapman, but that's August) were the biggest names. Rocco Baldelli is back. Yonder Alonso is up after a mediocre season. Jeremy Jeffress is up. Jeremy Hellickson is up, but he was always going to be.

6. Ziggy Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:49 PM (#3631897)

Anyone think there's a chance that Moustakas or Jerry Sands gets a call-up this September?

7. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:49 PM (#3631899)

NL:

Dbacks call up IF Tony Abreu, 1B Brandon Allen, P Carlos Rosa.

Braves call up P Michael Dunn, P Scott Proctor (?!?), P Kenshin Kawakami, C J.C. Boscan, 1B Freddie Freeman.

Cubs call up nobody yet.

Reds call up P Carlos Fisher, 1B Yonder Alonso, C Corky Miller.

Rockies call up C Chris Nelson.

Marlins call up P Jorge Sosa, C Chris Hatcher.

Astros call up OF Brian Bogusevic, 2B Matt Downs, P Dequam LaWesley Wright, P Henry Villar, C Brian Esposito.

Dodgers call up nobody yet.

Brewers call up P Jeremy Jeffress, P Carlos Villanueva, 3B Mat Gamel.

Mets call up Jenrnrnry Mejia, Lucas Duda.

Pirates call up ex-Giants great John Bowker.

Phillies call up ex-Devil Rays great Paul Hoover.

Padres call up P Ryan Webb, P Cory Luebke, C Chris Stewart.

Giants call up OF Darren Ford.

Cardinals call up OF Nick Stavinoha, C Matt Pagnozzi.

Nationals call up SS Danny Espinosa, C Wilson Ramos.

source: Slam!.Canoe.Ca

Also the Rays called up Desmond Jennings. I've heard of him.

Yankees call up International League's top reliever Jonathan Abadabadango, and Greg gOlson.

8. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3631907)

Anyone think there's a chance that Moustakas or Jerry Sands gets a call-up this September?
Possibly and no. I wouldn't call up either (save 40 man roster space).
I'm a big Jerry Sands fan, by the way (as in since he was a collegian, not that I necessarily think he's a future stud) and could not believe they started him in Great Lakes this year (rather than A+ ball).

Thanks for the transactionist link - I've wondered why there was no site like that before.

9. The Essex Snead Posted: September 02, 2010 at 02:59 PM (#3631921)

I didn't think Moustakas was having a season worthy of a call-up, either. Last I saw his triple-slash line, it was heavy on the SLG & low on the BA & OBP (tho I might be misremembering).

EDIT: scratch the BA knock; he's hitting above .290 in AAA, but w/ a Francouer-esque OBP. Still only 21, though, & he is mashing.

10. Ziggy Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:06 PM (#3631933)

Yeah, the treatment of Sands is very strange. As a 22 year-old they gave him 69 games at single-A despite a 333/432/646 line. Getting drafted in the 25th round must really hurt your standing in an organization.

11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:16 PM (#3631944)

Anyone think there's a chance that Moustakas or Jerry Sands gets a call-up this September?

I think Dayton has already said no on Moose getting a call.

And "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-American" dude.

12. Ziggy Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:23 PM (#3631958)

Okay, next question: is Angel Pagan a starting outfielder for the Metropolitans next year?

13. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:31 PM (#3631970)

I didn't think Moustakas was having a season worthy of a call-up, either.
Oh, I very much do think he's played well enough for one. I just wouldn't burn a 40-man spot on someone who doesn't need to be protected yet.

Sands: You could argue that he hadn't dominated the Midwest League yet, but he hit .264/.352/.509 (using minor leaguesplits) there after his promotion from Ogden ... I think he was ready. I'm also of the camp that he's fine in RF, doesn't need to play first.
More optimistically, he hit .203 (with walks and pop) in the GCL as a 25th round college guy his first season - it wouldn't have been a shock had they cut him at that point.

Pagan: I'll guess 'no'.

14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:47 PM (#3631998)

Rockies call up C Chris Nelson.

Chris Nelson is an infielder.

I'm surprised they didn't bring back Brad Eldred. The Rockies could use another righthanded bat.

15. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:49 PM (#3632004)

Anyone know what Frank Robinson was thinking when he filled out the lineup card for this game?

I don't mean the batting order - I mean look who is playing where. The 38-year-old (only one month from turning 39) at third played his only CG at third that day. And check out the 35-year-old at short (who played his first game at that position two weeks earlier).

Bizarre.

16. Ziggy Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3632010)

Anyone think the Giants are going to give Belt a look? (He'd be a useful pinch-hitter while they try to catch the friars.)

17. Bob Dernier Cri

Posted: September 02, 2010 at 03:54 PM (#3632016)

It was Friday the 13th and they'd just had a ten-game winning streak broken the night before; maybe he was trying to mix up the luck.

18. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 02, 2010 at 04:03 PM (#3632040)

Even on the last day of the season, even with teams that are playing for nothing, a lot of teams send out their regular lineup and try their best. And sometimes, teams don't.

Here's a gem between the team that had clinched first place and the team that had clinched the first draft pick.

2B Bonifacio
SS A. Hernandez
1B Casto
RF Langerhans
3B A. Gonzalez
CF Bernadina
C Montz
LF Orr
P O. Perez

LF Taguchi
SS Bruntlett
2B Iguchi
RF G. Jenkins
1B Coste
3B Cervenak
CF Golson
C Marson
P Kendrick

19. The Essex Snead Posted: September 02, 2010 at 04:11 PM (#3632059)

[12] Unless the Mets brass is totally crosseyed, or they put too much stock into his recent-ish swoon, Pagan would have to be the starting RF next year.

20. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 04:16 PM (#3632070)

Unless the Mets brass is totally crosseyed,

Unless?

21. Bob Dernier Cri

Posted: September 02, 2010 at 04:21 PM (#3632075)

Other scrubeenie Philadelphia lineups after they'd just clinched a division are vaguely in my memory, so I looked up some details. 1 October 1978 was a stellar bunch:

LF Kerry Dinneen
2B Bud Harrelson
1B Pete Mackanin
RF Orlando Gonzalez
3B Jim Morrison
CF Lonnie Smith
C Barry Foote
SS Todd Cruz

Aside from Foote (an ordinary second catcher), the elderly Harrelson, and the infant Smith, I don't even remember the rest of them, and I was a pretty serious fan of those Phillies.

Willie Stargell was the Pirates' leadoff hitter that day.

22. just plain joe Posted: September 02, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3632125)

Aside from Foote (an ordinary second catcher), the elderly Harrelson, and the infant Smith, I don't even remember the rest of them, and I was a pretty serious fan of those Phillies.

Mackanin played for Montreal (and others), mostly at 2B and SS; I think he was a coach for different teams for quite a long time.

Cruz played for the Mariners and a couple of other AL teams.

Morrison was the regular 3B for the White Sox in 1980 (had 666 PA's) and had a long career as a semi-regular/backup infielder throughout the 1980's. Morrison was actually a pretty decent hitter; he had a career OPS+ of 98 in nearly 3700 PA's.

Gonzalez and Dineen never played very much although it looks like Dineen may have lost his career due to injury or something. He had pretty good numbers in limited trials with the Yankees and then the Phillies, and then was gone at age 25.

23. Davo Malvolio Posted: September 02, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3632183)

Dbacks call up (...)1B Brandon Allen

I don't know anything about him in real-life, but he turns into an absolute stud in my OOTP simulations.

24. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: September 02, 2010 at 05:53 PM (#3632190)

and jassaked half his chances

That's a new one on me. Does that mean he ucked them fup?

25. The Essex Snead Posted: September 02, 2010 at 05:55 PM (#3632194)

[20] Keep hope alive! Of course, they'll probably trade Pagan to BAL for Garrett Atkins, but you never know.

26. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo

Posted: September 02, 2010 at 05:58 PM (#3632196)

Mackanin played for Montreal (and others), mostly at 2B and SS; I think he was a coach for different teams for quite a long time.

And current Phillies' coach!

Of the lineup in 22, I remember them all except Orlando Gonzalez.

27. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:14 PM (#3632213)

Toronto Blue Jays line-up comparisons before/after clinching AL East title

September 27th, 1993
Rickey Henderson LF
Devon White CF
Roberto Alomar 2B
Joe Carter RF
John Olerud 1B
Paul Molitor DH
Tony Fernandez SS
Ed Sprague 3B
Pat Borders C

September 28th, 1993
Rob Butler LF
Dick Schofield SS
Darnell Coles 3B
Domingo Martinez 1B
Turner Ward CF
Willie Canate RF
Randy Knorr C
Domingo Cedeno 2B
Shawn Green DH (his 1st MLB game)

28. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:19 PM (#3632219)

Domingo Martinez 1B

One of my favorite "What If" candidates. He went from being trapped behind McGriff and Olerud in Toronto, to being trapped behind Frank Thomas in Chicago.

For some reason, I remember him having more power than he actually did, based on his minor league numbers.

29. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:37 PM (#3632231)

October 3, 1999 NYY v. TBD

SS Alfonso Soriano
3B D'Angelo Jimenez
DH Daryl Strawberry
RF Shane Spencer
C Jorge Posada
1B Jim Leyritz
CF Chad Curtis
2B Luis Sojo
LF Clay Bellinger

P Jeff Juden

The whole last month of the 1984 season for the Tigers had some amusing lineups. Guess that's what happens when you clinch in June.

Sept 19, 1984 DET vs. MIL

2B Scott Earl
1B Dave Bergman
CF Ruppert Jones
LF Johnny Grubb
3B Howard Johnson
RF Nelson Simmons
DH Mike Laga
SS Doug Baker
C Dwight Lowry

P Jack Morris - and yes, he won, probably the strongest evidence of his HOF worthiness

30. Crispix Attacks Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:39 PM (#3632233)

And the other Phillies WS champion:

October 5, 1980

1B Pete Rose (2853rd career start)
SS Luis Aguayo (first career start at SS, 12th overall)
RF Orlando Isales (only career start)
LF George Vukovich (second career start)
C Ozzie Virgil (first career start)
CF Bob Dernier (first career start)
3B John Vukovich (last career start)
2B Jay Loviglio (first career start)
P Mark Davis (first career start)

Their opponents:

RT Jerry White
2B Tony Bernazard
1B Warren Cromartie
CF Andre Dawson
LF Tim Wallach
3B Brad Mills
SS Jerry Manuel
C Bobby Ramos
P Steve Ratzer
(Tim Rainez, Gary Carter, Ron LeFlore, Ken Macha and Chris Speier coming off the bench)

31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:47 PM (#3632242)

October 6, 1985 KCR vs. OAK

LF Dave Leeper
RF Omar Moreno
DH Daryl Motley
3B Dane Iorg
C Jaime Quirk
1B John Wathan
2B Greg Pryor
CF Lynn Jones
SS Jim Scranton

P Mike Jones

32. Sweatpants Posted: September 02, 2010 at 06:53 PM (#3632248)

P Mike Jones

Who?

33. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: September 02, 2010 at 07:09 PM (#3632265)

I can't believe that joke still makes me laugh.

34. Davo Malvolio Posted: September 02, 2010 at 07:46 PM (#3632314)

I don't get it. :(

35. Davo Malvolio Posted: September 02, 2010 at 07:50 PM (#3632321)

Odd, somewhat serious question: Why don't teams call up, like, 15 new players on September 1 (ie, use their entire 40 man roster)? They have the room for it, and it sure would be nice to have (nearly) unlimited pitching options should you find yourself in a 25-inning September game in a pennant race.

36. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: September 02, 2010 at 07:57 PM (#3632332)

[34] This should shed some light on the issue.

37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 02, 2010 at 08:12 PM (#3632343)

Odd, somewhat serious question: Why don't teams call up, like, 15 new players on September 1 (ie, use their entire 40 man roster)? They have the room for it, and it sure would be nice to have (nearly) unlimited pitching options should you find yourself in a 25-inning September game in a pennant race.

For many minor leaguers, this would burn an option when you have to send them back to the minors next spring.

38. RJ in TO Posted: September 02, 2010 at 08:22 PM (#3632352)

Odd, somewhat serious question: Why don't teams call up, like, 15 new players on September 1 (ie, use their entire 40 man roster)? They have the room for it, and it sure would be nice to have (nearly) unlimited pitching options should you find yourself in a 25-inning September game in a pennant race.

For many minor leaguers, this would burn an option when you have to send them back to the minors next spring.

For a lot of the top minor leaguers, they're also involved in minor league pennant races, and the minor league affiliates would prefer to keep their best players around for those games and the minor league playoffs. It's not a great idea to piss off your affiliates.

39. JJ1986 Posted: September 02, 2010 at 08:37 PM (#3632362)

Also, most teams have full 40s so they can't add players without dropping someone.

40. Davo Malvolio Posted: September 02, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3632375)

For many minor leaguers, this would burn an option when you have to send them back to the minors next spring.

Ah.... I turned off "options" in my OOTP league, because it got too confusing for me, so I wasn't even thinking of it. Oops!

41. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 02, 2010 at 10:13 PM (#3632453)

Trivia question:

tomorrow is the 120th anniversary of the first time any MLB batter hit his 120th HR. Who hit it?

42. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 02, 2010 at 10:29 PM (#3632469)

tomorrow is the 120th anniversary of the first time any MLB batter hit his 120th HR. Who hit it?

Eh, should say 100th HR.

43. Athletic Supporter leads the nation in drifters Posted: September 02, 2010 at 10:45 PM (#3632480)

Roger Connor? (Obvious guess, and therefore probably wrong.)

44. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: September 02, 2010 at 10:46 PM (#3632481)

Yup - wrong. This guy was the all-time HR king immediately before Connor.

45. Craig in MN Posted: September 03, 2010 at 04:25 AM (#3632675)

Why don't teams call up, like, 15 new players on September 1 (ie, use their entire 40 man roster)? They have the room for it, and it sure would be nice to have (nearly) unlimited pitching options should you find yourself in a 25-inning September game in a pennant race.

The Twins are starting to think you are on to something.

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