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Thursday, September 22, 2011

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-22-2011

This just in:  Old-timer says current players aren’t as good as they used to be.

White Sox manager Hugh Duffy in the Toledo News-Bee, September 22, 1911:

“When I was a player you had to serve a long apprenticeship in the minors.  Breaking in with a major league club was a tough job.  Furthermore, the other players, the fellows who were in ahead of you, impressed it upon your mind at the start that you had a lot of things to learn.  They don’t do it that way any more.”

“A ballplayer starts with a Class Z league, bats .400 where the fences are short, gets his name in the papers.  Then he’s gobbled by the scout, and if he keeps on hitting goes south with the major club in the spring.  His name gets into the papers some more, he is praised and petted.  What’s the result?  Why, the only natural thing, he knows he is a good ballplayer to begin with, therefore, it is idle to try and acquire more information about how to do things.”

Duffy was the Cubs’ everyday right fielder at age 21.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 22, 2011 at 09:42 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. ChuckO Posted: September 22, 2011 at 11:16 AM (#3932892)
The more things change,....
   2. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 22, 2011 at 12:21 PM (#3932905)
Duffy was the Cubs’ everyday right fielder at age 21.


Well, back then they started at class Z at 9.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3932918)
Today is the 15,000 "day-versary" of Juan Marichal winning his 200th game. That's especially notable becuase he's 1 of only 4 pitchers in the last 90 years to win too before losing #100.

Celebrating anniversaries today: Nolan Ryan's last stand, Mussina has his only balk, and then surrenders his only walk-off hit (in the same game, too), St. Bert's no-hitter, Tovar plays everywhere, Yankee Stadium's lowest attendance ever, Joe Morgan's first hit is a walk-off single, Ted Williams throws his bat -- and lands in the stands hitting the face of a 60-year-old woman who is the housekeeper for the Red Sox GM, Karl Spooner looks like he'll be the Next Great Thing, msot lopsided double shutout doubleheader, Walter Johnson's last start, Tommy Lasorda born, and Cy Young's last win.

Plus, I just love this one:

1972 Don Sutton enjoys the best Game Score of his career: 98. His line: 11 IP (tying a career high), 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, and 11 K in a complete-game, 1-0 win. This is also his 100th victory, giving him a career record of 100-94 (.515). For the rest of his career, he’ll be 224-162 (.580).

Today’s game ends on a rare walk-off HBP when San Francisco’s Jim Willoughby plunks Wes Parker in the bottom of the 11th. Oh, and if enough didn’t happen in this game, Davey Lopes makes his big league debut. There's a lot of game in that game.


TRIVIA QUESTION:

Above I mentioned that four liveallers won 200 before losing 100. Marichal and three others -- who are the three others? (Hint: it's an easy question)
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM (#3932919)
Pedro, Maddux, and...Clemens?

edit to add: Maddux and Clemens are wrong.
   5. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 22, 2011 at 12:53 PM (#3932922)
Guidry?

edit: no, didn't win 200. Ford?
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM (#3932927)
Schilling?
   7. djrelays Posted: September 22, 2011 at 01:40 PM (#3932982)
Grove, Feller, Ford??
   8. Sweatpants Posted: September 22, 2011 at 01:43 PM (#3932989)
Palmer?
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: September 22, 2011 at 02:56 PM (#3933072)
The answer to the trivia question can be found by clicking on the link in post #3. The other three are all listed in the third paragraph.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 22, 2011 at 04:07 PM (#3933124)
BREAKING NEWS: CARDS AGREE TO EXTENSION FOR SLUGGER.......Lance Berkman.

One year $12 mill.
   11. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 22, 2011 at 07:52 PM (#3933306)
I don't know if the Royals are inflating attendance numbers, because the stadium doesn't seem that full, but they are reporting an average of 26,000 fans per game in eleven September home dates for a team that is 22 games back. The Rays meanwhile, have had nine home games this month - three against the Red Sox - and are averaging 16,000 per game.
   12. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 22, 2011 at 08:19 PM (#3933338)
I don't know if the Royals are inflating attendance numbers, because the stadium doesn't seem that full


The attendance numbers reported by all MLB teams are counts of tickets sold not fans in attendance, although I can't imagine what might have prompted Kansas Citians to buy scores of tickets to September games this year that they're not now bothering to go to.
   13. Bob Evans Posted: September 22, 2011 at 08:30 PM (#3933349)
I can't imagine what might have prompted Kansas Citians to buy scores of tickets to September games this year that they're not now bothering to go to.

Bad barbecue forecast turned out to be incorrect?
   14. puck Posted: September 23, 2011 at 02:20 AM (#3933746)
The Rockies had their best attendance since 2001, and it's the 6th straight year the total has increased. I was a little surprised turnout remained good as the season went on as the team has been a huge disappointment. I guess next year will probably break the streak.
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 23, 2011 at 02:28 AM (#3933754)
People are hoping to catch a glimpse of Tracy Ringolsby's hat.

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