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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-10-2018

New York Sun, September 10, 1918:

BOSTON TAKES FOURTH GAME

Victory by 3 to 2 Gives Red Sox Advantage Over Cubs, Three Games to One.

Ruth, nicknamed Babe because he is nothing of the sort, hit a triple this afternoon. It was a good deal like the many other triples which the big fellow had driven out this season, but it will take its place among the prodigious blows of baseball history. It won a world series game for the Boston Americans.

With the score innocent of anything but zeros, with two Red Sox on the bases and more than 22,000 fans howling themselves hoarse for a supersmash from the batting star of the home force, Ruth obliged. He poled a long drive over Flack’s head and two runs were counted.

Ruth drove in two runs as a hitter while throwing eight innings of two-run ball as a pitcher. Not a bad afternoon for the big fella.

Game five is “this afternoon” at Fenway. Hippo Vaughn takes the hill for the Cubs against Boston’s Sad Sam Jones, who has a chance to turn that frown upside down by clinching a world championship.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:24 AM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5741508)
Today's Birthday Team features an inner-circle Hall of Famer, one of the outermost circle Hall of Famers, and a couple of active first basemen who may well win a free trip to Cooperstown after they retire.

C: Jack Lapp (12.14 WAR)
1B: Paul Goldschmidt (40.28 WAR)
2B: Neil Walker (20.17 WAR)
3B: Sammy Hale (12.5 WAR)
SS: Harry Niles (5.78 WAR)
LF: Joey Votto (58.65 WAR)
CF: Roger Maris (38.16 WAR)
RF: High Pockets Kelly (25.61 WAR)

SP: Randy Johnson (101.12 WAR)
SP: Barney Pelty (20.71 WAR)
SP: Anthony Swarzak (4.91 WAR)
SP: Chad Kuhl (2.55 WAR)
SP: Preston Hanna (1.68 WAR)
RP: Danys Baez (5.81 WAR)

Manager: Eddie Sawyer
-3.62 career WAR/prospect flameout: Chad Hermansen (-3.62 WAR)
Backup 1B: Ted Kluszewski (32.4 WAR)
Bench Bat: Dusty Miller (7.74 WAR)
Not that one: Harry Anderson
Writer: Bob Elliott
   2. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5741520)
Just a few box-score-line records today, so that I can keep some momentum going. This whole "semester" thing with the "teaching class" aspect slows a guy down :-D

Most times with the specific box-score line ab/r/h/bi, regular season since 1908. Trivia in bold:

4 3 4 3: an outer-circle HOFer did this three times, in 1928, '31, and '33; MVP in 1932

4 4 4 3 : fifty batters have done this once, most recently Aaron Judge last year

4 5 4 3 : this has been done six times. Weirdly, in the 111-year span of the record, it was done only three times between 1908 and 2013 inclusive, and then suddenly three times in 2014-15. The latter three guys were George Springer, Travis Shaw, and Kendrys Morales. But the earlier three guys make decent trivia opportunities:

1925: an outer-circle HOFer, second in the MVP voting that year (but not the 4343 guy)
1951: a HOVGer, an MVP a few years earlier
2001: a HOMer, also an MVP a few years earlier
   3. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5741522)
4343 Chuck Klein ?
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5741523)
2001: Larry Walker?
   5. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5741524)
Klein is correct! and so is Walker!
   6. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 10, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5741527)
4543 Larry Walker
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5741538)
I'm thinking maybe Larry Walker for the third 4543 guy? Is that right?
   8. Traderdave Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:20 AM (#5741548)
I've been playing a little game lately on Baseball Reference. Each morning I look at the 10 featured photos on front page and see how many I can guess. I rarely get any of the b&w guys unless they are very well known. Interestingly many of my incorrect guesses are team mates of the player in question.

After the photos I then guess their career WAR and click to check. As spotty as my photo record is, I surprise myself with how often I guess WAR withing 1 or 2 W's.

Anyway, for your amusement...
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:24 AM (#5741551)
I've been playing a little game lately on Baseball Reference. Each morning I look at the 10 featured photos on front page and see how many I can guess. I rarely get any of the b&w guys unless they are very well known. Interestingly many of my incorrect guesses are team mates of the player in question.


I do that too.

   10. PreservedFish Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5741553)
Haha holy #### I just guessed within 0.2 WAR for a 19th century player. I was 1.1 WAR off another player that I had literally never heard of. 2 WAR off the next guy, 1.8 WAR off the next guy.

I identified 4 of the photos.
   11. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:41 AM (#5741562)
lately on Baseball Reference. Each morning I look at the 10 featured photos on front page and see how many I can guess


Adrian Beltre is there today. So I'm one-for-10 :)
   12. Rally Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:53 AM (#5741566)
Only got 3 - Beltre, the dude who pitched when Buck forgot to bring Britton into a playoff game, and the dude who's always on MLB network.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5741567)
I got five, guessing correctly on Bob Allison and Adam Lind.

   14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5741570)
I can only recognize Phillies. I thought Jose Vidro was Fernando Tatis. I thought Joe Rudi was Carney Lansford. I thought Nick Swisher was Jeremy Giambi. But I guessed Tony Taylor!
   15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:05 PM (#5741573)
I got five, guessing correctly on Bob Allison and Adam Lind.


Funny. I'm seeing different photos.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:09 PM (#5741576)
Funny. I'm seeing different photos.


Yup, they've changed since I looked earlier. They might change on the hour, I'm not sure.
   17. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5741577)
Maybe it's one of these algorithm things where if you search Google for flights to Seattle, B-Ref starts serving you photos of the 1969 Pilots.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:13 PM (#5741578)
I was proud of myself for getting Ramon Hernandez. But probably should have been embarrassed. Those brain cells are better used in another way, undoubtedly.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM (#5741581)
I got five in the earlier group, 4 in the group that's up now. I think generally I get like 95% of people whose careers went into the 90s and 5% of the players who were earlier.
   20. PreservedFish Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5741586)
Chick Hafey was more least accurate WAR guess so far. Knowing that he is one of the very worst Hall inductees, I guessed 45 WAR. But he's worse: 30 WAR. In reality he was Larry Walker, without the defense, for less than a decade.
   21. Nasty Nate Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM (#5741587)
Randy Johnson is on the birthday team. He was pinch-hit for in the 9th inning of game 7 in 2001. I don't remember who was warming up for them in the bullpen when the game ended. Who would have pitched the 10th? It wouldn't have been Kim, would it? Righties were due to be up, so I assume not Swindell. Old man Mike Morgan?
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:34 PM (#5741591)
Could have been the poet and avowed enemy of Miss Iowa, Miguel Batista, though I"d be more confident of that had Boch not foolishly held him back for Game 4 instead of Game 3.

   23. Nasty Nate Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5741593)
He had already pitched
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: September 10, 2018 at 12:56 PM (#5741604)

He had already pitched



I had forgotten Bochy didn't go straight from Schilling to Unit.

I have no idea then. He let Johnson throw three innings with a 15-0 lead a night earlier, so his trust level on every other pitcher on the staff was pretty much non-existent by then.

   25. JJ1986 Posted: September 10, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5741607)
I think Morgan would have been the guy. He pitched 2.1 scoreless innings in Game 5 after Kim blew the save and pitched in a tied Game 3 (though he blew the lead).
   26. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 10, 2018 at 01:21 PM (#5741612)
I've been playing a little game lately on Baseball Reference. Each morning I look at the 10 featured photos on front page and see how many I can guess. I rarely get any of the b&w guys unless they are very well known. Interestingly many of my incorrect guesses are team mates of the player in question.


My game is if I can't identify at least one photo, I don't get to do what I went there for. Just now I got 5, all pretty easy: Cal Ripken, Rick Sutcliffe, Charlie Blackmon, Jose Bautista, and Early Wynn.
   27. caspian88 Posted: September 10, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5741618)
My game with the BBREF featured payers was to try and make a lineup with them. Catchers are always the hard part.
   28. PreservedFish Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:06 PM (#5741625)
Otis Nixon's unforgettable visage is up now. I guessed 14 WAR, he had 16.6 I also guessed 14 WAR for Adam LaRoche, and lo, he had 14.2. But I was 9 WAR off on Jacoby Ellsbury, and 7 off on Jay Buhner.
   29. Batman Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:18 PM (#5741630)
My game is to try to get to a player's page without typing his name by going through one of the featured players and his teams and teammates. If I'm really trying to waste time, I try to make it more difficult, like if I wanted to get to A-Rod's page, I would go through Joe Stripp's instead of Jay Buhner's.
   30. Ziggy's screen name Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5741632)
IIRC Clayton Kershaw can opt out of his contract after this year. Should he? I vote "yes". He's been limited in the number of innings that he's thrown lately, but I wouldn't want two post-age-30 pitcher years standing between me and free agency.
   31. Panik on the streets of London (Trout! Trout!) Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:24 PM (#5741633)
I got Nixon, Buhner, Ellsbury, and Monte Irvin. Should have got LaRoche.
   32. Nasty Nate Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:27 PM (#5741635)
I got Nixon, Buhner, Ellsbury, and Monte Irvin. Should have got LaRoche.
Buccholz was easy for me, but I can understand if the Royals hat was a red herring.
   33. Ziggy's screen name Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5741636)
I didn't realize Buchholz was still in MLB until I saw the B-R front page. Somehow I thought he'd washed out, like, five years ago.
   34. Chris Fluit Posted: September 10, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5741637)
Jim Bottomley for 1925?
Phil Cavarretta for 1951?
   35. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 10, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5741661)
My BB-Ref game is to start with one guy, and then try to click through similarity scores to some other guy in the fewest possible clicks.
   36. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 03:29 PM (#5741671)
Neither Bottomley nor Cavaretta, though both the 1925 and '51 guys were National Leaguers.
   37. Ziggy's screen name Posted: September 10, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5741673)
Did Kiki Cuyler have a big day?
   38. tolbuck Posted: September 10, 2018 at 04:00 PM (#5741686)
Bob Elliott for 1951?
   39. BDC Posted: September 10, 2018 at 05:44 PM (#5741814)
Cuyler and Elliott are the other two answers. You cannot stump a panel that plays six-degrees-of-separation bingo with random B-Ref photos :)
   40. Perry Posted: September 10, 2018 at 06:01 PM (#5741831)
I usually only get 2 or 3, but today I got Lemke, Ozuna, Eastwick, and Joey Bats. Can't believe I blanked on Tom Gordon and Josh Beckett, recognized them but just couldn't call up the names.
   41. AndrewJ Posted: September 10, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5741914)
The manager of today's Birthday Team was Phi Beta Kappa and a biology instructor during the off-season at Ithaca College in upstate New York -- he reportedly knew everyone on campus on a first-name basis.
   42. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 11, 2018 at 07:36 AM (#5742035)
I had forgotten Bochy didn't go straight from Schilling to Unit.


Don't blame Bochy for that series! It was Bob Brenly.
   43. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 11, 2018 at 09:09 AM (#5742058)
Update: Today's 12 players include 3 Phillies and I guessed none of them right. I did get 1 other player right. And apparently I've never seen Ken Singleton before.

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