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Wednesday, September 11, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-11-2019

New York Tribune, September 11, 1919:

Ray Caldwell, the prodigal of the American League, only recently kicked out of the Boston Red Sox, came back yesterday and pitched a no-hit game for the Cleveland Indians against the Yankees at the Polo Grounds.
...
Caldwell, the erratic, the temperamental, the undependable, shut out “Murderers’ Row,” the hardest sluggers in the league, with the might of the arm that they said had gone bad, and with the steel of the nerve that they said he had lost.
...
The crowd was with Caldwell, the prodigal, despite the fact that he was working for Ban Johnson’s team, the Indians, for the prodigal always was a likeable wastrel. Even after he had driven managers to desperation he could win them back with that compelling grin of his.

A couple weeks earlier, Caldwell was hit by lightning while on the mound but finished the game. Things were never dull when Ray Caldwell was around.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 11, 2019 at 10:06 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 11, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5878367)
A pretty decent Birthday Team today, but it would be a lot better if not for the left side of the infield.

C: Don Slaught (19.3 WAR)
1B: Ray Grimes (10.3 WAR)
2B: Mike Moustakas (16.6 WAR)
3B: Eduardo Perez (0.9 WAR)
SS: Eddie Miksis (-3.4 WAR)
LF: Steve Brodie (19.5 WAR)
CF: Jacoby Ellsbury (31.1 WAR)
RF: Ellis Burks (49.8 WAR)

SP: Frank Kitson (24.3 WAR)
SP: Dave Roberts (23.5 WAR)
SP: Andrew Cashner (11.6 WAR)
SP: Bill Hogg (4.0 WAR)
SP: Les Tietje (3.4 WAR)
RP: Frank Francisco (5.1 WAR)

Owner: James Dunn
General Manager: Stuart Holcomb
Manager: Jeff Newman
Umpire: John McSherry
Broadcaster: Byrum Saam
SABR Executive: Jerry Gregory
Animal: Brad Lesley
Less successful brother: Quinn Mack (-0.2 WAR)
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 11, 2019 at 11:05 AM (#5878384)
I love today's anagrams:
Don Slaught -> Sandlot Hug
Jacoby Ellsbury -> Blue Jay Slobs Cry
Frank Kitson -> No Fart Kinks
Dave Roberts -> Adverb Store
   3. Traderdave Posted: September 11, 2019 at 11:11 AM (#5878388)
9/11/85 --- Pete Rose gets hit #4192. I was in the nosebleeds above third base so I had a decent view. After the *very* long ceremony, including Eric Show copping a squat, about 1/3 of the crowd left.
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 11, 2019 at 11:13 AM (#5878389)
Ray Grimes twin, Roy, might help the birthday infield. Only 57 poor at-bats in the majors, but he played 15 years in the high minors. He batted about .330 over five years in the American Association.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: September 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM (#5878392)
The article about Caldwell's no-hitter refers to Carl Mays as "the injunction-armored heavy artillery of the Yankees."
   6. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 11, 2019 at 12:13 PM (#5878406)
Happy 32nd anniversary to this stupid game.

I still got the scars...
   7. Perry Posted: September 11, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5878420)
Eddie Miksis was before my time but because I've come across his name a lot I always assumed he must have been a good player. I guess not...
   8. Itchy Row Posted: September 11, 2019 at 01:36 PM (#5878425)
According to the SABR bio of Eddie Miksis, he got a Hall of Fame vote in 1964 and that prompted a Congressional investigation into Hall of Fame voting.
   9. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 11, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5878444)
According to the SABR bio of Eddie Miksis, he got a Hall of Fame vote in 1964 and that prompted a Congressional investigation into Hall of Fame voting.


The quote from Miksis in that article about the writer who gave him a Hall of Fame vote is great:

"...he must have had a few beers before he made out his ballot.”

Also from the article:

When asked what his greatest thrill was as a ballplayer, he answered, “Getting paid every two weeks.”
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 11, 2019 at 04:53 PM (#5878480)

When asked what his greatest thrill was as a ballplayer, he answered, “Getting paid every two weeks


That’s a HOF quote anyway
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 11, 2019 at 05:50 PM (#5878487)
Eddie Miksis was before my time but because I've come across his name a lot I always assumed he must have been a good player. I guess not...

My primary memory of Miksis is that he was part of the return the Cubs got when trading Andy Pafko to the Dodgers in 1951. I believe the slogan "Miksis will fix us" was put forward by the team. It was neither accurate nor well-received.
   12. Perry Posted: September 11, 2019 at 06:13 PM (#5878490)
My primary memory of Miksis is that he was part of the return the Cubs got when trading Andy Pafko to the Dodgers in 1951. I believe the slogan "Miksis will fix us" was put forward by the team. It was neither accurate nor well-received.


Considering his highest seasonal WAR was 0.7, the fact that he got 14 years and over 1000 games is pretty impressive in itself. People must have liked SOMETHING about him.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: September 11, 2019 at 09:49 PM (#5878537)
Surely somebody's done this before but what the heck ... lowest career WAR by PA ranges ... obviously based on career PAs, not running PAs ... i.e. Doug Flynn actually "leads" for 3000+ but he probably wasn't as bad as Bergen in his first 3,000 but I wasn't gonna take the time to check.

10,000: Buckner 15.1 (Baines is 2nd at 38, that's a massive gap)
9,000-9,999: Doc Cramer 8.4 (Joe Carter 2nd)
8,000-8,999: Kid Gleason 8.3 (Kessinger 2nd ... Jesus, Charlie Grimm 3rd, c'mon Cubs)
7,000-7,999: Alfredo Griffin 3.0
6,000-6,999: Willie Montanez** 1.7 (Griffin 2nd, Wambsganss 3rd)
5,000-5,999: Ken Reitz -3.1 (6 players below zero, Chris Gomez most recently)
4,000-4,999: Doug Flynn -6.9 (Dan Meyer 2nd)
3,000-3,999: Bill Bergen -6.8 ("modern" guy LeMaster -5.4)
2,000-2,999: Tuck Stainback -6.6 (modern guy Andres Thomas -5.7; Juan Castro -5.4)***
1,500-1,999: Jim Levey -7.5 (yowza! Modern guy Vic Harris ... another Cub)
1,000-1,499: Red Donahue -7.2 (doubly yowza! Scot Thompson ... another Cub)
750-999: Luis Pujols -5.2 (193/240/260 line as backup C)
500-749: Karl Olson -5.1 (CF of the 50s ... Kim Batiste, not a Cub!)
400-499: Pat Rockett -5.5 (a shame, it's a great name)
300-399: John Misse -3.1 (Ryan Minor)
200-299: John Kirby -2.7 (Joe Cannon)
100-199: Frank Gilmore -2.6 (Mike Hubbard ... another Cub)
1-99: Enrique Cruz -1.6 (083/143/097 in 77 PAs in 2 stints ... mostly 76 with the Brewers in 2003)

It's a complete mystery why the Cubs floundered for most of my lifetime.

** Man, I thought Montanez was a lot of fun when I was a kid and he had a rep as a pretty good hitter. Teams thought so too as the vast majority of his PAs came in the #3,4,5 slots. He was above-average as a hitter in his younger days but as a 1B, doesn't do well in WAR.

*** Ignoring (mostly) pitchers Pud Galvin and Bobby Mathews ... and issue that arises from here down.
   14. bobm Posted: September 11, 2019 at 11:07 PM (#5878546)
[13] From B-R:

Doug Flynn Batting Stats for Years 1975 to 1982 

     Year   PA    G Rbat Rbaser Rdp Rfield Rpos  RAA   WAA Rrep RAR  WAR waaWL% 162WL% oWAR dWAR oRAR   Salary
1975-1982 3165 1001 -165     -8   5    -12   41 -139 -15.5  105 -35 -5.2   .485  .489  -4.3  3.2  -23 $410,000
   15. Perry Posted: September 12, 2019 at 02:38 AM (#5878584)
6,000-6,999: Willie Montanez** 1.7


The guy the Cardinals sent to the Phillies to replace Curt Flood when Flood refused to report.

4,000-4,999: Doug Flynn -6.9


Actually semi-decent middle infield sub on the 75-76 Big Red Machine.

   16. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5878637)
According to the SABR bio of Eddie Miksis, he got a Hall of Fame vote in 1964 and that prompted a Congressional investigation into Hall of Fame voting.


The quote from Miksis in that article about the writer who gave him a Hall of Fame vote is great:

"...he must have had a few beers before he made out his ballot.”

Also from the article:

When asked what his greatest thrill was as a ballplayer, he answered, “Getting paid every two weeks.”



When I was a kid, my dad worked for Dudley Sporting Goods -- "The World's Best-Selling Softball!" -- and one of the reps he worked with was 1940's Yankee pitcher Marius Russo. My dad had been a Yankee fan as a kid and on their first meeting, said to him, "I saw you pitch many times." Marius replied, "Ya musta come early."
   17. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5878642)
6,000-6,999: Willie Montanez** 1.7


The guy the Cardinals sent to the Phillies to replace Curt Flood when Flood refused to report.


And part of the Mets' haul in that massive 4-way trade with Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Texas that sent away Jon Matlack and John Milner after 1977. Tom Grieve and Ken Henderson were the other two corpses...err...players they got.

While the Rangers got Al Oliver and Matlack, the Pirates got Bert Blyleven, and the Braves got 3 other stiffs. And the 2 last-place teams in the National League in 1978 were...c'mon, guess...

4,000-4,999: Doug Flynn -6.9


Actually semi-decent middle infield sub on the 75-76 Big Red Machine.


Gold Glove 2B for the 1980 Mets.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 11:54 AM (#5878645)
When I was a kid, my dad worked for Dudley Sporting Goods -- "The World's Best-Selling Softball!" -- and one of the reps he worked with was 1940's Yankee pitcher Marius Russo. My dad had been a Yankee fan as a kid and on their first meeting, said to him, "I saw you pitch many times." Marius replied, "Ya musta come early."

That's pretty funny for a guy a .570 W%, 124 ERA+, and 2 WS rings.
   19. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 12, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5878660)
When I was a kid, my dad worked for Dudley Sporting Goods -- "The World's Best-Selling Softball!" -- and one of the reps he worked with was 1940's Yankee pitcher Marius Russo. My dad had been a Yankee fan as a kid and on their first meeting, said to him, "I saw you pitch many times." Marius replied, "Ya musta come early."

That's pretty funny for a guy a .570 W%, 124 ERA+, and 2 WS rings.



I always thought so, too.
   20. Itchy Row Posted: September 12, 2019 at 05:49 PM (#5878794)
Marius Russo's most similar pitcher through age 27 was Warren Spahn. Spahn was a little better after 27, though.

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