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Thursday, September 13, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-13-2018

Washington Times, September 13, 1918:

When Leslie Mann, leader of the Chicago branch of the World’s Series Union of Professional Baseball Non-Workers and Non-Fighters, was hit on the leg with a pitched ball by Carl Mays, and fell to the ground, a fan in the stand at Fenway Park roared in stentorian tones:

“Cut it off!”

That’s how much sympathy there was in the crowd.

IMO, the “non-workers and non-fighters” thing was the better jab at the players. Maybe it really was a good idea to end the season early, if this story is any indication of public sentiment.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:03 AM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:07 AM (#5743456)
Bernie Williams is 50 years old today. Get those damn kids off my lawn.

Today's Birthday Team features a strong, deep pitching staff.

C: Rick Dempsey (25.15 WAR)
1B: Pat Collins (6.79 WAR)
2B: John Kelleher (1.68 WAR)
3B: Mike McNally (0.02 WAR)
SS: Rabbit Warstler (3.42 WAR)
LF: Rickie Weeks (11.75 WAR)
CF: Bernie Williams (49.58 WAR)
RF: Armando Rios (2.71 WAR)

SP: Eddie Rommel (49.65 WAR)
SP: Rick Wise (36.57 WAR)
SP: Thornton Lee (34.87 WAR)
SP: Dutch Ruether (29.22 WAR)
SP: Wade Miller (14.66 WAR)
RP: Denny Neagle (22.45 WAR)
RP: Daisuke Matsuzaka (9.44 WAR)

Owner: John Henry
Fencebuster: Rodney McCray
Fun name: Dink O'Brien
Negro Leagues pitcher, probably good enough to be in the rotation but very little statistical information available: Walter Ball
Not that one: Nelson Cruz (1.51 WAR)
Spanish language broadcaster: Delio Amado León
Umpire: Ed Sudol
   2. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:14 AM (#5743462)
Why did people think that Bernie Williams was a good fielder? He was, to my eye, much worse than was Jeter, for example. He always had an awful arm, of course, but he also moved in a kind of leaden, mechanical, heavy-footed way.
   3. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:21 AM (#5743471)
Bernie was a decent CF when he was young, but the Yankees kept him in center field long, long after he was able to handle it well anymore.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:24 AM (#5743477)
Yes, that's clear, but even when he was in his prime as a player, in his late 20s, and winning gold gloves, he wasn't much of a fielder.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:25 AM (#5743479)
Bernie was a decent CF when he was young, but the Yankees kept him in center field long, long after he was able to handle it well anymore.

Bingo--Bref has him at -0.3 WAR thru age 30 (1096 games) then -9.3 after (980 games)
   6. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:28 AM (#5743484)
Bref has him at -40 Rfield in the 4 seasons where he won gold gloves!

Remember, dWAR contains the positional adjustment, so a CF at 0.8 dWAR is actually pretty bad, it means he's an "average" fielder with respect to all of the positions, and generally you don't want average fielders in centerfield.
   7. Steve N Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5743491)
Rick Wise may have had the best day in baseball history. I figure that if you pitch a no hitter and hit 2 home runs that you can say that you contributed.
   8. CheersUnusualPlays Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:36 AM (#5743492)
I remember Rick Dempsey fondly, but he never seemed to get credit for the great catcher he was. OTOH, I had no idea Rick Wise racked up that much value
   9. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5743499)
Box-score-line records to complete the 4-AB file. Most times with the exact ab/r/h/bi line, regular season since 1908, trivia in bold.

4 5 4 4 : six batters have done this, most recently Mookie Betts earlier this season

4 6 4 4 : name the Hall of Famer who did this in 1934. His game: 2-run double, scored (1112); solo HR (2223); solo HR (3334); walk, scored (3434); and then, both in the ninth inning: single, scored (4544); HBP, scored (4644). You'd think from his reputation that he had his 4644 game at home, but it was on the road … yet the park he had the big game in was also pretty amenable to big hitting numbers

4 4 4 5 : eighteen have done this, most recently Ryan Zimmerman in 2017

4 4 4 6 : seven have done this, the last Carlos Delgado in 2003

4 4 4 7 : six have done this, most recently Harold Baines in 1991

4 4 4 8 : two men did this, in 1954 and 2017 respectively. Both star players who appeared on MVP ballots, the latter a considerably bigger star. Both African-American. This item got me thinking about the impact of extreme games on season lines. The 1954 guy, for instance, went .263 26 86 on the year, but without that one game he would have been at .257 23 78. His 4448 day gave him an additional 27 points of slugging percentage

4 4 4 9 : Heinie Zimmerman did this in 1911. It's too far back to have play-by-play on B-Ref, but Zimmerman had 2 home runs that day, and the Cubs beat the Boston Rustlers 20-2. Did they really call them the Rustlers?

   10. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5743501)
Rick Wise may have had the best day in baseball history. I figure that if you pitch a no hitter and hit 2 home runs that you can say that you contributed


Factoid on Rick Wise: that no-hitter was just his second-highest game score of the year. He had a 12-inning game against Chicago in September in which he threw nine consecutive perfect innings, retiring 32 straight batters. And naturally, he hit a walkoff single to win it in the bottom of the 12th.

I saw both the no-hitter and the Cubs game on TV: those remain among my best memories of TV baseball.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5743506)
Factoid on Rick Wise: that no-hitter was just his second-highest game score of the year. He had a 12-inning game against Chicago in September in which he threw nine consecutive perfect innings, retiring 32 straight batters. And naturally, he hit a walkoff single to win it in the bottom of the 12th.

just looked up the boxscore--idiot Cubs issued 2 IBB's to pitch to Wise
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:07 AM (#5743513)
was hit on the leg with a pitched ball by Carl Mays, and fell to the ground,
That was just the beginning for Mays.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5743516)
4 6 4 4 : name the Hall of Famer who did this in 1934. His game: 2-run double, scored (1112); solo HR (2223); solo HR (3334); walk, scored (3434); and then, both in the ninth inning: single, scored (4544); HBP, scored (4644). You'd think from his reputation that he had his 4644 game at home, but it was on the road … yet the park he had the big game in was also pretty amenable to big hitting numbers
Chuck Klein?
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5743517)
4 6 4 4 : name the Hall of Famer who did this in 1934. His game: 2-run double, scored (1112); solo HR (2223); solo HR (3334); walk, scored (3434); and then, both in the ninth inning: single, scored (4544); HBP, scored (4644). You'd think from his reputation that he had his 4644 game at home, but it was on the road … yet the park he had the big game in was also pretty amenable to big hitting numbers


Chuck Klein

4 4 4 8 : two men did this, in 1954 and 2017 respectively. Both star players who appeared on MVP ballots, the latter a considerably bigger star. Both African-American. This item got me thinking about the impact of extreme games on season lines. The 1954 guy, for instance, went .263 26 86 on the year, but without that one game he would have been at .257 23 78. His 4448 day gave him an additional 27 points of slugging percentage


Luke Easter and Mookie Betts.
   15. crict Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5743518)
I discovered a minor league game in 1949 in which the pitcher (Paul Calvert, who played in the majors before and after) threw a no-hitter and hit a walkoff single. Other instances of this combo in pro ball were not discovered (but probably exist).
   16. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5743528)
the Cubs beat the Boston Rustlers 20-2. Did they really call them the Rustlers?


They didn't have a real name, they were just the Boston Nationals. The papers called them the Doves because their owners were the Dovey brothers, then they called them the Rustlers because (for one year) their owner was a Tammany Hall political hack named Russell. Then he died and their next owners made a decision to be the Braves.

So I doubt any fans called them the Rustlers, it sounds more like when a headline calls the Cowboys the "Pokes".
   17. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5743530)
Klein, Easter, and Betts are all incorrect.
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:18 AM (#5743534)
If the clue states that the player was a HOFer who was a creation of his home ballpark, and the answer isn't Chuck Klein, well, that's just an intentionally misleading clue, sir.
   19. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5743537)
Not at all :) In fact we had a thread just yesterday where this HOFer's home-field advantage was discussed.
   20. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:23 AM (#5743543)
Mel Ott!
   21. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5743549)
Ott is correct. In 1934, he actually hit more home runs on the road (19) than in New York (16). This was largely because he hit eight HR in 11 games in the Baker Bowl, where he had the 4644 game. So the answer does obliquely reference Chuck Klein's HF advantage (though Klein was playing for the Cubs that year).
   22. Chris Fluit Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5743580)
Hank Thompson for 1954?
   23. Chris Fluit Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:02 PM (#5743582)
Aaron Judge for 2017?
Or Giancarlo Stanton?
   24. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:31 PM (#5743601)
Hank Thompson is correct for 1954; Judge and Stanton not for 2017.
   25. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:33 PM (#5743602)
Why did people think that Bernie Williams was a good fielder?

Because COUNT DA RINGZZ!!1!11!! Sames goes for Captain Clutch.
   26. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:55 PM (#5743618)
SS: Rabbit Warstler


Two summers during college, I worked as a rabbit warstler on a ranch in South Dakota.
   27. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:14 PM (#5743643)
Brandon McCarthy will end his career with 69 wins and a 4.20 ERA. Seems appropriate for a goofball who spends a bunch of time on the internet.
   28. eric Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:16 PM (#5743644)
Maybe too late for this joke but...

Based on his fielding, I'd thought Bernie had turned 50 in 2000.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5743661)
Daisuke Matsuzaka is still pitching in Japan - he's second on the Chunichi Dragons in wins so far this season (they're one half-game out of last place), going 6-4, 3.74 in 11 starts.
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:13 PM (#5743707)
Judge and Stanton not for 2017.
Jason Heyward?

Ha! Just kidding. Justin Upton?
   31. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:31 PM (#5743733)
Not Heyward or Upton. Bigger star than either.
   32. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5743743)
In the legal world, when you said "appeared on MVP ballots" in the clue, that would probably be construed as meaning "not having actually won an MVP" because otherwise you would have specified an MVP winner. Is that the case?
   33. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:40 PM (#5743744)
Mookie Betts?
   34. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:41 PM (#5743746)
Oh good grief, I am really in for it today. Yeah, you gotta appear on a ballot to win the award, and this guy did both :-D
   35. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:43 PM (#5743748)
Then it's gotta be McCutcheon.
   36. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:47 PM (#5743756)
McCutchen is correct! I will scour future clues for misleadingness.

One reason I went with that wording is that Hank Thompson, while he got a few MVP votes, was never an All-Star. In the current days of massive All-Star rosters, Thompson probably would have been, but he was up against some tough competition in the 1950s.
   37. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:49 PM (#5743759)
I like a little obfuscation in my trivia clues.
   38. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:57 PM (#5743765)
OK, I will try to balance clarity and squid ink.
   39. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:03 PM (#5743770)
Then it's gotta be McCutcheon.
Yep, I was going to guess him instead of Upton, but I was deceived by the #FakeClues. Shame on you, BDC.
   40. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:05 PM (#5743772)

David Wright will play the final weekend for the Mets, starting at 3B on Staurday, 9/29, then retire.

RE5PECT
   41. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:18 PM (#5743791)
One reason I went with that wording is that Hank Thompson, while he got a few MVP votes, was never an All-Star. In the current days of massive All-Star rosters, Thompson probably would have been, but he was up against some tough competition in the 1950s.


They had pretty big All-Star rosters in the 1950s too, and there were only 16 teams, so I don't know if it was any harder to become an All-Star back then. And then most of them never played in the game anyway.

1950s ALL-STARS I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF:

1950: Cass Michaels, Johnny Wyrostek, Art Houtteman, Ray Scarborough, Bob Rush
1951: Larry Jansen, Connie Marrero, Jim Busby, Jim Hegan, Randy Gumpert, Fred Hutchinson, Johnny Wyrostek, Bruce Edwards
1952: Jim Hegan, Toby Atwell, Grady Hatton, Bob Rush, Gerry Staley, Mike Garcia
1953: Murry Dickson, Davey Williams, Gerry Staley, Sammy White, Clyde McCullough
1954: Irv Noren, Dean Stone, Sandy Consegra, Gene Conley, Don Mueller, Jim Finigan
1955: Jim Finigan, Gene Baker, Randy Jackson, Luis Arroyo, Gene Conley, Billy Hoeft
1956: Dale Long, Brooks Lawrence, Tom Brewer, Johnny Kucks, Ray Narleski, Jim Wilson, Frank Sullivan, Charlie Maxwell, Johnny Temple
1957: Frank Malzone, Joe DeMaestri, Billy Loes, Bob Grim, Hank Foiles, Gino Cimoli, Hal Smith, Ed Bailey, Charlie Maxwell, Johnny Temple

NOTE: I have heard of Murry Dickson, but it's kind of a fluke
   42. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:32 PM (#5743809)
1950s ALL-STARS I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF:

1951: Larry Jansen, Connie Marrero, Jim Busby, Jim Hegan, Randy Gumpert, Fred Hutchinson, Johnny Wyrostek, Bruce Edwards


When the Seattle Post-Intelligencer newspaper named Seattle's Athlete of the 20th Century at the turn of the millenium, Fred Hutchinson was the winner, ahead of Ken Griffey, Steve Largent, and everyone else. To say that he's revered in Seattle is an understatement.

One of the nation's premier cancer research centers is also named after him
   43. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:37 PM (#5743812)
That's the same Fred Hutchinson? I've heard of the cancer research center!
   44. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:54 PM (#5743824)
Also manager of the pennant-winning 1961 Reds.
   45. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:06 PM (#5743828)
They had pretty big All-Star rosters in the 1950s too


Fair enough. 1953 and '54 were Thompson's best years after he'd become an established regular. In 1953 Eddie Mathews was the NL third baseman, but in 1954 it was Ray Jablonski and Randy Jackson. I have no clue about that decision, because Mathews was healthy at the time. Maybe Jablonksi (a Cardinal, who started) won a fan vote, and Jackson was the only Cub on the team?
   46. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:27 PM (#5743843)
That's the same Fred Hutchinson? I've heard of the cancer research center!


Yes, it was founded by Fred Hutchinson's elder brother, who was a doctor, and named in his memory.
   47. Batman Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:32 PM (#5743848)
Mathews was hitting .247 (with 19 HR, though) going into the '54 All Star break, while Jablonski and Randy Jackson were hitting .322 with 11 HR and .310 with 17 HR at the break. Mathews had a huge second half (.346 with 21 HR) and Jablonski and Jackson had Jablonski and Jackson second halves.
   48. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 13, 2018 at 06:05 PM (#5743905)
Johnny Kucks


I feel a little sad for anyone who got through his teen years without hearing that name.
   49. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 06:53 PM (#5743926)
Thanks, Batman. Sounds like what Bill James used to call the "All-Mediocrities-Who-Had-Good-First-Halves Game" :)
   50. bobm Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:03 PM (#5743939)
[16] their owner was a Tammany Hall political hack named Russell. Then he died and their next owners made a decision to be the Braves.

Braves could also be a Tammany-related name. Was it in this case?

From wikipedia:

The name "Tammany" comes from Tamanend, a Native American leader of the Lenape. The society adopted many Native American words and also their customs, going so far as to call its hall a wigwam
   51. QLE Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:19 PM (#5743953)
Connie Marrero


40 when he made his first and last All-Star team, lived to just short of 103, and gained notoriety in his last years as one of the last remaining links in Cuba to their pre-Revolution baseball tradition.

Mike Garcia


The important starter on the Indians teams of the early 1950s who wasn't Bob Feller, Early Wynn, or Bob Lemon- was one of the best pitchers in the American League until it all fell apart after 1954.

Gene Conley


Champion of both baseball and basketball

Dale Long


Set a record for most consecutive games with a home run that still hasn't been broken
   52. PreservedFish Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:27 PM (#5743961)
"Jablonski" would seem to have potential as a pejorative.
   53. Perry Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:30 PM (#5743964)
I'm pretty sure Fred Hutchinson's #1 was the first retired by the Reds. Not only did he manage the 1961 pennant winners, he was managing the 1964 team (that ended up being eliminated on the last day) when he had to leave the team in August due to his eventually fatal illness. He died that November at age 45.
   54. Perry Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:42 PM (#5743979)
1956: Dale Long,


I grew up knowing the name for two feats: The consecutive game HR streak (still the co-record holder) and last lefthander to catch in the majors (I think others have done it since).

   55. Perry Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:47 PM (#5743992)
1957: Hal Smith,


Was going to say he had a big role in the Mazeroski game, but it turns out that was the other Hal Smith, who was also an NL catcher in the late 50s-early 60s.

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