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Monday, September 17, 2012

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-17-2012

New York Evening World, September 17, 1912:

First Inning—
Moran walked. Stengel made his big League debut by singling to centre, sending Moran to second…Kirkpatrick hit to J. Miller, who got Stengel at the plate.

Emphasis mine. Interesting spelling of “centre” too.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 17, 2012 at 07:51 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 17, 2012 at 07:59 AM (#4237703)
A handful of legitimate stars on today's Birthday Team.

Cepeda and Franco, obviously, but Schulte's a two-time home run king and a Chalmers Award winner. Webb, Sutton, and Haren aren't exactly stars in a historical sense, but they're all really good ballplayers.

C: Les Peden
1B: Orlando Cepeda
2B: Hughie Critz
3B: Bob Dillinger
SS: Ezra Sutton
LF: Frank Schulte
CF: Ernie Koy
RF: Earl Webb

SP: Dan Haren
SP: Willie Sudhoff
SP: Sheriff Blake
SP: Nick Cullop
SP: Whitey Glazner
RP: John Franco

Manager: Bobby Wine
Fun Names: Joe Blong, Cisco Carlos, Farmer Ray, Butts Wagner, Otto "Oom Paul" Krueger
   2. Dag Nabbit at Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:04 AM (#4237704)
Now that the quest for 500,000 errors is over, I looked up when MLB will achieve upcoming milestones for a variety of different stats.

Also, as noted at THT, today is the 20th anniversary of the Dibble-Piniella fight.
   3. Random Transaction Generator Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:14 AM (#4237706)
Interesting spelling of “centre” too.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

   4. Dag Nabbit at Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:23 AM (#4237711)
I'll point out that Stengel got four hits, three stolen bases and a walk in his debut.
   5. Chris Fluit Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:32 AM (#4237714)
Earl Webb holds the single season record for doubles. And 19th century star Ezra Sutton is in the Hall of Merit as a third baseman.
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:44 AM (#4237730)
i shared in the lounge, but i figured this group might also be interested in knowing that the milwaukee brewers could potentially lead the nl in homers, stolen bases, hit by pitch and sacrifice hits

that is one crazy collection.
   7. ThisElevatorIsDrivingMeUpTheWall Posted: September 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM (#4237900)
The one I want to see is the inside-the-park grand slam.
   8. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4237915)
So, at the moment, there are four days' worth of games from both this year and last year sitting in the Game of the Day queue. I might have been able to run through a few of them yesterday evening had my flight back to Tulsa from Chicago left at 6:00 as scheduled rather than 9:40. As it is, I don't think I'm up for 8 games' worth of recapping this morning, but I can at least link all of them and recap a few...

Honorary Game of 9/15/12: Pirates 7, Cubs 6. Selected on the basis of my attendance. Various observations: The Pirates seemed to have a little trouble turning double plays, at least against people who weren't Josh Vitters; there were four separate plays on which they forced a runner at second, but either didn't make a throw to first or threw late. The extra outs gave the Cubs a run in the third and another in the fifth. Contrariwise, Darwin Barney made a couple of very nice plays in the first-second base hole, and also had a fairly spectacular running catch on a popup in the shallow outfield.

Those things ended up not really mattering because the Pirates had Andrew McCutchen (2/3 with a sharp single up the middle and a lengthy home run, plus an intentional walk and an unintentional intentional walk, plus a couple of nice plays in center), and the Cubs went full September with the pitching staff (Jason Berken?). But the game did become more exciting than it had any right to be in the ninth, courtesy of some unexpected Joel Hanrahan wildness. The Cubs ended up with the bases loaded, two outs, down a run; the winning run on second was in the person of Jeff Samardzija, which was pretty amusing (they've shut him down for the year for pitching purposes, and yet they'll use him when there's the potential for a game-deciding collision at home?) Sadly, Hanrahan and Dave Sappelt (who had been 2/4 for the game to that point) both simultaneously reverted to form, resulting in a game-ending strikeout.

Actual Game of 9/15/12: Red Sox 3, Blue Jays 2. One of four games that falls between the 78th and 81st percentiles on this particular day.

Game of 9/14/11: Mariners 2, Yankees 1 (12). It's an extra-inning game in which Cory Wade gave up a key home run to a minor player... just not THAT extra-inning game in which Cory Wade gave up a key home run to a minor player.

Game of 9/14/12: Angels 9, Royals 7. Not just lead changes, but big ones - 3-0 becomes 4-3 becomes 6-4 (and 7-5) becomes 9-7. Kendrys Morales had a game-tying pinch-hit homer in the eighth, which is nifty. This game and the entire weekend series with the Angels helped the Royals edge past the Brewers into the #1 spot for excitement in 2012 to date, so they actually have a pretty good chance to come out on top in both of the years I'm processing.

Game of 9/15/11: Reds 8, Cubs 6 (11). The Cubs scored four in the first on homers by Carlos Pena and Marlon Byrd; the Reds got solo homers over the next few innings from Brandon Phillips and Chris Heisey, then single-double-single-walk-walk-single in the fifth to take a 5-4 lead. They tacked on an extra run in the sixth on a wild pitch; the Cubs rallied to tie against Francisco Cordero in the ninth on an Alfonso Soriano RBI double and a single by Darwin Barney, and the Reds finished it in the eleventh when James Russell, who is left-handed, gave up a double to lefty Joey Votto and a two-run homer to lefty Jay Bruce.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 17, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4238011)
A well-done biography of Joe Blong, whose career seems to have been as memorable and interesting as his name.
   10. jwb Posted: September 17, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4238102)
Thanks for the link, Dan Lee!
   11. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 17, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4238117)
Game of 9/13/11: Giants 3, Padres 2 (12). The Giants took an early lead (which was smaller than it could have been) when Cody Ross led off the bottom of the first with a single, Carlos Beltran doubled him to third, and Pablo Sandoval singled him home. Brett Pill then hit into an inning-ending double play.

The teams put occasional runners on base from there, but Matt Cain and Cory Luebke kept them off of the scoreboard until the home half of the fourth, in which singles by Sandoval, Pill, and Justin Christian doubled the size of San Francisco's lead. Cain allowed a walk and a double with nobody out in the fifth, but recovered to strand the runners at second and third. After giving up another double in the sixth, Cain was lifted in the seventh following a one-out walk. After Javier Lopez recorded the second out of the inning, Aaron Cunningham hit a pinch double. Guillermo Mota replaced Lopez, and Jason Bartlett greeted him with a double of his own, driving in both runners and tying the game.

The Giants managed two-out singles by Beltran and Sandoval in the bottom of the seventh, but didn't score. After Mota worked a perfect eighth, Chad Qualls started the bottom of the inning by walking Orlando Cabrera. Cabrera was replaced by pinch runner Darren Ford, and after one pitch to Christian, Qualls picked Ford off of first, quickly defusing the nascent rally. A single and sacrifice put Orlando Hudson on second in the ninth, but Sergio Romo left him there; Anthony Bass and Santiago Casilla then combined to keep both teams off the bases through the end of the tenth. Casilla allowed a single and steal to Chris Denorfia and a walk to James Darnell in the eleventh, but no runs, and Bass worked his third consecutive perfect inning in the bottom half.

Ramon Ramirez was flawless in the top of the twelfth. In the bottom of the inning, Ross led off with a single against Brad Brach and took second on a wild pitch. One out later, Beltran was intentionally walked. Sandoval hit into a force at second, moving Ross to third, then took second himself on defensive indifference. Mark DeRosa followed with a game-ending RBI single.

The Giant bullpen wasn't perfect; they did blow the lead in the seventh and allowed a total of 4 hits. But 5.2 innings, 1 walk, and 11 K's is pretty impressive.
   12. SOLockwood Posted: September 17, 2012 at 02:59 PM (#4238145)
600,000th reliever in 2014. Just think, if LaRussa hadn't retired it could have happened this year.
   13. esseff Posted: September 17, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4238192)
600,000th reliever in 2014. Just think, if LaRussa hadn't retired it could have happened this year.

Bochy's doing his part. The number of Giants pitchers used in each game this month:

5, 5, 7, 11, 6, 4, 4, 6 (in a 5-hit shutout), 5, 8, 8, 7, 4, 8 (in a blowout loss).
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 17, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4238201)
Game of 9/16/12: Reds 5, Marlins 4 (11). Cincinnati opened the scoring in the second when Todd Frazier, Dioner Navarro, and Didi Gregorius hit consecutive singles against Ricky Nolasco. Mat Latos preserved the lead nicely in the early going, allowing only one hit through three innings. The Reds extended the edge in the fourth when Navarro and Gregorius singled, Latos bunted them to second and third, and Brandon Phillips grounded out to score Navarro. Miami rallied in the bottom of the fourth, however. Jose Reyes singled with one out but was later thrown out trying to advance on what would have been a wild pitch had he succeeded. Latos then walked Giancarlo Stanton and Carlos Lee, and Greg Dobbs drove them both in with a game-tying triple.

The Reds didn't let the tie last long. Joey Votto and Ryan Ludwick started the fifth inning with singles, and two outs later, Dioner Navarro added another one, bringing Votto in with the go-ahead run. In the sixth, Ryan Webb replaced Nolasco on the mound, with similar results. Brandon Phillips singled, stole second, and moved to third on a groundout. After an intentional walk to Votto, Ludwick singled in Cincinnati's fourth run of the day. Latos worked a scoreless sixth, but after AJ Ramos worked around a Frazier double in the seventh, Lee led off the bottom of the inning with a double and came around to score on a pair of outs. Latos remained in the game to begin the eighth. He allowed a leadoff hit to Austin Kearns, followed by a pair of outs, one of which moved Kearns to second. Jose Reyes then doubled, bringing Kearns home and tying the game once more.

Steve Cishek and Sam LeCure set both teams down in order in the ninth. Heath Bell allowed a pair of singles in the top of the tenth, but Phillips hit into a double play to end the inning. Sean Marshall struck out the first two batters he saw in the bottom of the tenth, then allowed a walk and a single to prompt his removal from the game; Logan Ondrusek finished the inning by whiffing Stanton. Carlos Zambrano came on for the top of the eleventh, and gave up the tiebreaking run quite quickly - Chris Heisey singled, Votto walked, and Ludwick singled in the go-ahead run. Zambrano recovered to strand both remaining runners, but Jonathan Broxton allowed only a walk in the bottom of the inning, ending the game.

It's fairly surprising to see Latos having been left in to allow the tying run in the eighth; usually you'd expect the bullpen to start that inning when the starter has already given up 3 runs in 7 innings, or at the very least to come in after he puts a runner on. It's almost like his manager should get a reputation for sticking with his starters for too long...
   15. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 17, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4238284)
Game of 9/16/11: Cardinals 4, Phillies 2 (11). Both teams picked up single runs in the second inning. St. Louis's rally started when Vance Worley walked David Freese. With one out, Yadier Molina singled, and Skip Schumaker walked as well, loading the bases. After Jaime Garcia struck out looking, Rafael Furcal then walked on four pitches to give the Cards the lead. Philly tied the game quickly, however, as Placido Polanco and John Mayberry Jr. both doubled with one out in the second. The next two hitters both singled - and yet, somehow, Mayberry didn't score. He stayed at second on the first hit, an infield single to third by Ben Francisco, and could only advance to third on the second, this on by Brian Schneider. Worley then struck out, and Jimmy Rollins popped up, making the Phillies the second team to leave the bases loaded that inning.

Apart from Worley's entirely understandable inability to retire Albert Pujols (singles in the first, third, and fifth innings), the starters cruised for some time. Worley was pulled before the top of the seventh, and the cruising immediately ended. David Herndon allowed a hit to Furcal, who then took second on a wild pitch. Pujols drew a walk with one out, and he and Furcal both advanced on yet another wild pitch. Lance Berkman was then intentionally passed, bringing Freese to the plate with the bases loaded and one out. Not having put on his October cape yet, Freese hit into a double play to end the inning with no scoring.

The scoring waited until the eighth, when Molina hit a one-out homer off of Antonio Bastardo. Marc Rzepczynski recorded two outs in the bottom of the inning, also allowing a walk and a wild pitch that put Shane Victorino on second; Octavio Dotel came on to whiff Hunter Pence and leave the runner on. Pujols picked up his fourth hit of the game against Brad Lidge with two out in the ninth, but despite Berkman following that with a single of his own, the Cards failed to augment their advantage.

Jason Motte came on for the bottom of the ninth. After he retired the first two Phillies of the inning, Ryan Howard reached on a pinch-hit double. Carlos Ruiz then flied the ball down the right field line, where it was dropped by recently-inserted defensive replacement Corey Patterson for a game-tying error.

Ryan Madson and Kyle McClellan both worked scoreless tenths. Rafael Furcal led off the eleventh with a double against Michael Schwimer, and moved to third on Patterson's sac bunt. Pujols was then issued one of the more understandable intentional walks I can remember in recent memory - it's understandable primarily because Berkman had been replaced by pinch runner Adron Chambers after his ninth-inning hit.

So, naturally, Chambers rifled a go-ahead single to right, and Tyler Greene (also newly inserted in the game in one of Tony LaRussa's myriad late-inning moves in this one) doubled to add a second run to the lead. Fernando Salas allowed a single in the bottom of the inning, but nothing else, and the Cardinals drew another game closer in the wild card race (3.5 back).

In a genuinely remarkable September-y feat of roster maneuvering, Tony LaRussa ended this game with only three players still in the lineup who started there: Pujols at first, Furcal at short, and Molina behind the plate. His other starters were removed for pinch runners (Berkman), defensive replacements (Allen Craig), for pinch hitters (Jon Jay - for Ryan Theriot! - and Skip Schumaker), or in double switches (Freese and Garcia). I assume this has been beaten at some point in the past, but I'd be interested to know how often this happens - can't be more than a few times a year. Also, how often it's happened before the September roster expansion.
   16. mike f 2 Posted: September 17, 2012 at 04:45 PM (#4238320)
Does anyone have any recommendations for where to sit in Nationals park? My wife and I will be there this weekend. It looks like Dierks Bentley is playing after the game on Saturday, so the prices are jacked up. Tickets are much cheaper on Sunday, but we fly out that evening, so we probably wouldn't be able to stay for the whole game. If we get the cheapest tickets on Stubhub (Upper RF Terrace, Upper Infield Gallery) can we still roam around the stadium and watch the game?
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: September 17, 2012 at 05:23 PM (#4238358)
Game of 9/13/12: Orioles 3, Rays 2 (14). The best, it is saved for last.

Tampa's Jeremy Hellickson and Baltimore's Wei-Yin Chen allowed a few hits through the first three innings (a pair of two-out singles for the Rays in the second, doubles in the second and third for the Orioles), but kept the game scoreless until the fourth. Ben Zobrist and Evan Longoria started that inning with singles, and one out later, Jeff Keppinger brought Zobrist home with a sac fly for the game's first run. Hellickson allowed a walk and a single in the fourth, but ended the inning on a double play ball, and both teams had rallies defused in the fifth on double plays as well. Hellickson was pulled after JJ Hardy led off the sixth with a single, and Jake McGee struck out the side to leave Hardy on first.

Chen worked a scoreless seventh, and Wade Davis took the mound for the Rays in the bottom of the inning. Manny Machado started things off with a bunt, and reached on Davis's error. Mark Reynolds struck out, but Robert Andino walked, moving Machado to second. Taylor Teagarden then laced a two-run double to right, driving in both runners and giving Baltimore its first lead of the game. JP Howell and Kyle Farnsworth were then called on to end the inning.

Desmond Jennings drew a walk from Chen to start the eighth. Jennings took second on a passed ball, and stole third while BJ Upton struck out. Zobrist then reached on an infield hit, bringing Jennings home with the tying run and ending Chen's night day on the mound.

Joel Peralta allowed a pair of singles in the bottom of the eighth, but stranded the runners on second and third at the end of the inning. Carlos Pena doubled against Jim Johnson in the ninth, but didn't advance from there, and the game moved into extras after Fernando Rodney also worked a scoreless inning. Zobrist singled against Luis Ayala in the tenth, but Longoria hit into a double play. Endy Chavez singled with two out against Burke Badenhop in the bottom of the inning and stayed at first. Ayala was spotless in the top of the eleventh, and Chris Archer took over the pitching duties for the bottom of the inning; he walked Teagarden with two outs, but didn't allow another baserunner.

Ayala and Brian Matusz combined on a 1-2-3 twelfth, and Archer matched them. Tommy Hunter set the Rays down in order in the thirteenth; in the bottom of the inning, Archer appeared ready to crack, walking Chavez and putting Machado on with an error on a bunt (the second time in the game that Machado reached on a bunt/E1). Reynolds then singled to load the bases with nobody out, and the Rays went 5-man infield. Andino hit into a force at home for the first out. Matt Wieters replaced Teagarden, and struck out swinging. Zobrist shifted to the outfield, giving the Rays a standard defensive alignment once more, and Archer then also fanned Nate McLouth, leaving all three Orioles on base and completing Tampa's return from the 94% win expectancy brink.

Hunter allowed singles to Keppinger (with one out) and Jose Molina (with two) in the fourteenth before being pulled for Randy Wolf, who struck out Matt Joyce to leave both runners. Archer retired the first two hitters in the bottom of the inning, but then walked Adam Jones and allowed a single to Chavez. Machado was up next, and he singled as well, bringing Jones home with the game winner.

Two contending teams in September? Check. Key rallies from both teams in the late innings? Check. Extras? Quintuple check. Bases loaded and no runs in extras? Triple check. Yeah, that's a good game - #12 of the year so far.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: September 17, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4238525)
Hey, I just found out it's Thad Bosley's birthday! Surely the birthday team needs a pinch-hitter and hitting coach!

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