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Wednesday, September 19, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-19-2018

Washington Times, September 19, 1918:

A stereotype habit of Boston baseball writers during the bleak winter months is to visit the homes of the various ball-flinging athletes.
...
[Melville Webb tells the story of his visit to Babe Ruth’s house:] “The fire was finally started,” Webb continued, “but after a few minutes Babe took a look at it and was far from satisfied the way it was progressing.

“The big fellow walked over to a corner of the kitchen, picked up a five-gallon can of kerosene and proceeded to pour the ingredient on the smoldering wood.

‘I say, Babe, aren’t you taking a chance there?’
‘Oh, no, Mel, there’s no danger. I never “booted one” doing this—that is, ‘cept twice. Once it was my fault, and the other time it wasn’t. The time it was my fault I poured the kerosene in under the fire through the draft door. I sure was wrong that time, for the physics blew the top right off the stove. The time I wasn’t to blame was when I made a mistake and grabbed the gasoline can.’

Babe being Babe.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:25 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:32 AM (#5747254)
In news specifically designed to piss off Brian Kenny, last night Blake Snell became the first 20-game winner since 2016 after mowing down the Rangers. Meanwhile, Corey Kluber won his career-high 19th game last night, after having three 18-win seasons. He should have two more shots to get to No. 20.
   2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5747256)
I'm no expert, but I feel like today's Birthday Team is going to be just fine up the middle.

There are a couple players playing out of position, but not horribly so. McInnis came up to the majors as a shortstop, but he moved to first base because Connie Mack needed a first baseman and already had Eddie Collins and Jack Barry in the middle infield. Jaso is a C/1B, but made 70 appearances as a corner outfielder. I'm comfortable with both of them in these positions.

C: Joe Ferguson (20.99 WAR)
1B: Nick Etten (16.89 WAR)
2B: Joe Morgan (100.56 WAR)
3B: Yank Robinson (11.86 WAR)
SS/Manager: Stuffy McInnis (34.28 WAR)
LF: John Jaso (10.89 WAR)
CF: Duke Snider (66.34 WAR)
RF: George Springer (18.61 WAR)

SP: Sadie McMahon (39.42 WAR)
SP: Chris Short (28.63 WAR)
SP: Gio Gonzalez (27.03 WAR)
SP: Jim Abbott (19.68 WAR)
SP: Scott Baker (15.62 WAR)
RP: Randy Myers (15.32 WAR)
RP: Bob Turley (13.22 WAR)

Broadcaster: Bob Murphy
Designated knuckleballer: Charlie Haeger
DL/Bench Bat: Nick Johnson (14.63 WAR)
Fun name: Astyanax Douglass
General Manager: Dick O'Connell
Not that one: Jack Ryan
Pitching coach: Nardi Contreras
Starting Pitcher in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Masaji Hiramatsu
Umpires: Bill Williams, Charlie Reliford
Writers: Roger Angell, Mike Royko, Larry Whiteside
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:35 AM (#5747260)
In news specifically designed to piss off Brian Kenny, last night Blake Snell became the first 20-game winner since 2016 after mowing down the Rangers.
...for all of 5 one-hit innings.
   4. Batman Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5747267)
Unless he pitches 20 innings over his two remaining starts and any surprise relief appearances, Snell will break Jered Weaver's record for fewest innings pitched by a 20-game winner. If he doesn't get another out, he'll also have the record for 19-game winners.

Billy Ripken's archenemy Roy Face's record for 18-game winners remains safe.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:41 AM (#5747269)
Speaking of the "Win" stat, fortune smiled on Pat Neshek last night. He didn't give up any runs or hits, but still...

Aaron Nola: 5.2 IP, 104 pitches, leaves trailing 2-0

Neshek: 0.1 IP, 1 walk, 8 pitches

Phillies score 5 in the bottom of the 6th

3 other relievers: 1 scoreless inning each.
   6. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5747271)
Seems like a nice time for the official scorer to use his discretion and give the win to literally any other Phillie. If not then, when?
   7. caspian88 Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:47 AM (#5747272)
So with last night's game, Chris Sale dropped off the ERA leaderboard as he has 150.0 innings in 151 Red Sox games. His ERA is 1.92 and he has 222 strikeouts. He leads the AL in pWAR with 6.7.

Blake Snell is now the league ERA leader with a 1.97 ERA in 169.0 innings. He has 200 strikeouts and a 20-5 record, for pWAR of 6.6.

Trevor Bauer has the second (third) best ERA in the AL at 2.22. He has pitched 166.0 innings, striking out 214 for a pWAR of 5.6.

We might see the AL Cy Young Award winner be a starting pitcher with fewer than 175 innings. The only pitchers with 200+ innings and a chance are Corey Kluber (19-7, 2.93, 203.0, 205 K, 5.6 pWAR) and Justin Verlander (16-9, 2.67, 202.0, 269 K, 5.2 pWAR).
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:49 AM (#5747273)
Billy Ripken's archenemy Roy Face's
F*ck that guy.
   9. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:50 AM (#5747275)
Today's box-score trivia is an item I'd missed when I started compiling these: the ab/r/h/bi line of 0 0 0 0.

There are two ways to figure that. The first is to count any time a guy's name appeared in a box score with 0000 following. Remember that pitchers in DH games do not have box-score lines, but all those who appear in home-NL games do. The technical record for 0000 appearances is thus 1,061 times. Who holds it? It's pretty much who you'd think it would be.

The other way is to require at least one plate appearance while going 0000. Figured that way, the record is 316 times – also held by the first guy you'd guess. Who's that?

But now the fun and a little-bit-weird trivia. The record for most plate appearances while going 0000 is five. It's been done 17 times, twice by Barry Bonds and once by 15 other guys. Fourteen of those times, a guy simply drew five walks without scoring or getting an RBI. Twice, a player drew four walks and was hit by one pitch – Stan Musial and Ron Santo. Once, a guy walked three times and was hit twice (Jason Bay).

The weird parts:

One of Bonds' 5-PA 0000 games involved three intentional walks. The only other such game with three IBBs was recorded by somebody who is on today's Birthday Team. Can you guess who?

And a major-leaguer recorded a 5-PA, 5-walk, 0000 game last night, after I thought up this set of questions but before I checked B-Ref for the answers. Did you notice (or can you guess) who?
   10. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5747279)
Remember that pitchers in DH games do not have box-score lines, but all those who appear in home-NL games do. The technical record for 0000 appearances is thus 1,061 times. Who holds it? It's pretty much who you'd think it would be.


What pitcher has the most relief appearances entirely in the NL? Trevor Hoffman?

The other way is to require at least one plate appearance while going 0000. Figured that way, the record is 316 times – also held by the first guy you'd guess. Who's that?


You already said Barry Bonds elsewhere, so... I'll still guess Barry Bonds.
   11. JJ1986 Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5747280)
Who holds it? It's pretty much who you'd think it would be.
John Franco?
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:56 AM (#5747283)
Kent Tekulve? Hoyt Wilhelm?
   13. caspian88 Posted: September 19, 2018 at 10:57 AM (#5747284)
Joe Morgan for three IBBs.

Bryce Harper for last night's five walk game.

Rusty Staub for 316 0000's?
   14. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5747285)
John Franco is the guy with 1,061 (technical) 0000 appearances. He had just three PAs in those games: all of them sacrifice hits.

Bryce Harper went 0000 with five walks against Miami last night.

Morgan is incorrect. So is Bonds for the 316 0000 games with at least one PA. Staub is incorrect too, but closer than Bonds in terms of his role on some of his teams.
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5747287)
Staub is incorrect too, but closer than Bonds in terms of his role on some of his teams.

Let's see, who else did a lot of pinch-hitting and walking? Matt Stairs?
   16. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:03 AM (#5747291)
Not Stairs, but that's the closest guess yet.

Auuugh, I figured it wrong. The answer is not 316, it's only 100 … but it's still somebody like Stairs who hasn't been guessed yet.
   17. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5747292)
Mota? Lenny Harris?
   18. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:08 AM (#5747298)
Not Mota or Harris, but now we're definitely in the right realm.
   19. caspian88 Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM (#5747299)
Mark Sweeney?
   20. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:10 AM (#5747301)
Not Sweeney either. Sweeney is third in such games, with 92 of them.
   21. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:11 AM (#5747304)
I'd say greg Gross, but that guy never walked.

edit: Actually, it could be him. I didn't P-I it, but I checked a random year, and in 1981 he 22 such lines.

edit 2: Only 4. I was counting all the 0000 lines including the ones with 0 PA.
   22. caspian88 Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5747305)
Dave Hansen? Elmer Valo?
   23. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:14 AM (#5747306)
But Greg Gross is correct! He got there on sheer volume: 94 walks, 6 sacrifice hits, and 2 HBP. That makes 102 PAs, because in two of those games he came in as a PH, walked, and stayed around in the outfield to draw a second walk later on.
   24. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:16 AM (#5747307)
And Dave Hansen was second in such games, with 95. Valo was fourth with 82; Harris seventh with 66, Mota eighth with 61. John Vander Wal and Smoky Burgess each had 68.
   25. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:21 AM (#5747309)
Still leaves the birthday teamer who once had a 5-walk, 0000 game with three IBBs. I would have guessed Morgan, as well, but I guess his teammates were too good at driving him in.
   26. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:28 AM (#5747314)
the record is 316 times – also held by the first guy you'd guess.
How in the hell is Greg Gross "the first guy you'd guess"?? Yet another deceptive clue. Foul, I say! Most foul!!
   27. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:29 AM (#5747315)
Gotta be the Duke then.
   28. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5747321)
Not Snider either.

How in the hell is Greg Gross "the first guy you'd guess"??


It is if you figure it wrong and thought it was Lenny Harris. Gross is close, anyway. I'm just glad it didn't turn out to be Joe Shlabotnik :-D
   29. Batman Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5747327)
Since my forever first guess Greg Gross has already been taken for the other thing, is Ferguson the birthday one?
   30. PreservedFish Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:44 AM (#5747330)
I believe it was Astyanax Douglas.
   31. BDC Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:46 AM (#5747333)
Ferguson is correct! It happened on 24 June 1978. Ferguson was batting seventh for the Houston Astros, with the immortal Mike Fischlin behind him. Padre manager Roger Craig ordered Ferguson walked three times, and he was walked unintentionally twice. It worked, apparently: San Diego won the game 6-5.
   32. Batman Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5747343)
Didn't John D'Acquisto used to post here? He issued the fourth walk to Ferguson, one of the unintentional ones.
   33. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 19, 2018 at 11:58 AM (#5747344)
Mike Fischlin, one of 5 major leaguers produced by something called "Cosumnes River College".
   34. Batman Posted: September 19, 2018 at 12:06 PM (#5747356)
I've heard of all five MLB Cosumnes alumni, so that's something.
   35. mathesond Posted: September 19, 2018 at 12:17 PM (#5747365)
Randy Myers has the distinction of being involved in both one of Gord Ash's worst moves, and best moves, as Blue Jays GM.

First, Ash signed him to a 3 year $18M contract before the '98 season. Then, in the first year of the contract, he let the Padres claim him on waivers and shed the salary.

Looking at the BBref numbers, his Toronto tenure wasn't quite as awful as I remembered - but he was pretty terrible for the Pads. And it looks like he didn't pitch in '99 or 2000 - did an injury force his retirement?
   36. Perry Posted: September 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM (#5747377)
Seems like a nice time for the official scorer to use his discretion and give the win to literally any other Phillie. If not then, when?


He doesn't really have any discretion there. The only way to take the win from Neshek is if he was "ineffective in a brief appearance." A comment says that generally means pitching less than one inning and allowing 2 or more earned runs to score, even if they were charged to someone else. Since Neshek didn't allow any runs, either his or Nola's, he gets the win.
   37. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 19, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5747405)
Perry is right. If Neshek gave up 1 or 2 runs in his 0.1 inning he still would have been in line for the "win", but then the discretion might have been invoked.
   38. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 19, 2018 at 01:02 PM (#5747410)
And it looks like he didn't pitch in '99 or 2000 - did an injury force his retirement?


Rotator-cuff surgery. Tried to come back in 2001, but pitched just one AAA game, without recording an out, and called it quits.
   39. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 19, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5747584)
Roger Angell turns 98 today.
   40. AndrewJ Posted: September 19, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5747710)
Happy birthday, Mr. Angell. Even if you did root for the Mets in the 1986 World Series.
   41. AndrewJ Posted: September 19, 2018 at 08:44 PM (#5747795)
16 players with 10+ WAR, plus Angell in the press box and Bob Murphy in the booth. One of the year's strongest Birthday Teams.

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