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Tuesday, September 26, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-26-2017

Bridgeport Evening Farmer, September 26, 1917:

NEW YORK BETTOR MAKES $120,000 BY GIANTS VICTORY

With the National League pennant clinched on Monday, wagers were paid off yesterday, and [Arnold] Rothstein’s confidence in the ability of the Giants to capture the flag—a confidence born last fall—netted him the tidy sum of $120,000.

He wagered on the Giants at odds varying from 100 to 1 to even money, but the bulk of it was places at 5 to 6.

Goodness. It’s almost like Arnold Rothstein knows what’s going to happen before it happens.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 26, 2017 at 10:29 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 26, 2017 at 10:34 AM (#5539035)
I sort of wonder whether today's Birthday Team would be better if Sean Doolittle played first base and Martinez replaced one of the corner outfielders. Maybe not, but it says a lot about the roster that it's not a crazy thought.

C: Rich Gedman (9.66 WAR)
1B: Dave Martinez (19.15 WAR)
2B: Johnny Hodapp (12.32 WAR)
3B: Grey Clarke (0.69 WAR)
SS: Steve Buechele (16.47 WAR)
LF: George Anderson (2.45 WAR)
CF: Thurman Tucker (6.87 WAR)
RF: Bernie Neis (2.55 WAR)

SP: Bobby Shantz (34.76 WAR)
SP: Chris Archer (11.3 WAR)
SP: Bert Humphries (8.29 WAR)
SP: Pat Caraway (1.81 WAR)
SP: Joe Sullivan (1.53 WAR)
RP: Sean Doolittle (6.0 WAR)
RP: Brian Shouse (5.44 WAR)
RP: Doug Sisk (3.24 WAR)

Manager: Gus Schmelz
Pitching coach: Dave Duncan
Fun names: Brooks Pounders, Brian Looney, Tinsley Ginn
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 26, 2017 at 10:43 AM (#5539049)
LF: George Anderson (2.45 WAR)


He could be a Not That One:
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 26, 2017 at 11:26 AM (#5539118)
EDIT: Dupe, sorry.
   4. BDC Posted: September 26, 2017 at 11:50 AM (#5539165)
Does Chris Archer have one of the larger discrepancies between bWAR and fWAR this year? His ERA (4.18) isn't great, and for a team in a pitcher's park works out to an ERA+ of 100, so B-Ref has him at 0.8 WAR. His FIP (3.43) and xFIP (3.32) are fine, so FanGraphs has him at 4.4 WAR.

Seems like a big difference to me, but I don't have a good sense of how far bWAR and fWAR for pitchers can diverge.

I was trying to think of pitchers like Archer who had established themselves as at least minor stars at a fairly young age but had lousy W-L records (Archer is 50-63 for his career). Steve Rogers is vaguely similar. At the same ages, for the 1970s Expos, Rogers went 63-77, while (like Archer) making two All-Star teams. Both led their league in losses during the span (Rogers twice).

   5. TDF, FCL Posted: September 26, 2017 at 11:51 AM (#5539166)
Unless Homer Bailey throws 38 2/3 IP tomorrow or Sal Romano goes 41 1/3 on Thursday, Tim Adelman will lead the Reds this year with 122 1/3 IP. The White Sox are the only other team without someone with at least 152 IP, and they have 2 pitchers with more IP than Adelman.

If you want to know how a team with Votto and the '17 versions of Cozart, Suarez, Barnhart, and Barry Lamar Gennett can lose 90+ games, there's your answer.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 26, 2017 at 12:03 PM (#5539186)
The Rockies are in danger of making the playoffs without having a single pitcher qualify for the ERA title. German Marquez leads the staff with 156 innings, and has one start left.
   7. Batman Posted: September 26, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5539199)
The White Sox released their leader in IP and traded the pitcher with the second most. If James Shields gets knocked out by the fifth inning in his last start and Mike Pelfrey doesn't piece together more than six innings over the next few days, they won't have anybody who matched Tim Adleman's epic season on their roster. Their most valuable pitcher by WAR was traded to the Brewers two months ago.
   8. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 26, 2017 at 12:57 PM (#5539260)
Bill Veeck purchased Grey Clarke and first baseman Heinz Becker from Dallas at the end of the 1941 season, for delivery to Milwaukee in 1942. He journeyed to Dallas to close the deal and catch the end of the Texas League playoffs. The deal was closed over lunch. Veeck journeyed to the ballpark later, where he was told that Clarke had been taken to the hospital for an appendectomy. Veeck was just regaining his composure from the news when Becker tried to stretch a single into a double, and broke his ankle.
   9. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: September 26, 2017 at 01:04 PM (#5539266)
If you want to know how a team with Votto and the '17 versions of Cozart, Suarez, Barnhart, and Barry Lamar Gennett can lose 90+ games, there's your answer.



Mighty Scooter is only 3 off the Reds rbi lead. That's almost unbelievable.


In the 4 seasons since he signed his extension, Homer Bailey has given the Reds 264ip, at a 5.08 era and -0.3 WAR. He finally starts making the big money next year (2 years and 44 million left, with a 5 million buyout for 2020). And, even in the best light for 2017 (by taking out his first two, utterly horrific starts returning from injury), he has given the Reds 79.1 ip with a 5.79 era. Worst contract extension ever? Or does Ryan Howard still have that beat?
   10. TDF, FCL Posted: September 26, 2017 at 01:31 PM (#5539292)
The White Sox released their leader in IP and traded the pitcher with the second most. If James Shields gets knocked out by the fifth inning in his last start and Mike Pelfrey doesn't piece together more than six innings over the next few days, they won't have anybody who matched Tim Adleman's epic season on their roster. Their most valuable pitcher by WAR was traded to the Brewers two months ago.
Tim Adelman is done for the year, as is Feldman (#2 at 111 1/3 IP). If Bailey doesn't make it thru 6 IP or Romano pitch 9+ innings (each in their 1 remaining start), the Reds will end the season with no one over 90 IP and still active.
   11. Batman Posted: September 26, 2017 at 01:51 PM (#5539312)
A little-known clause in Ryan Howard's contract says the Phillies have to pay him $1 million every time somebody suggests there may be a worse contract.
   12. Wahoo Sam Posted: September 26, 2017 at 03:43 PM (#5539429)
Mighty Scooter is only 3 off the Reds rbi lead. That's almost unbelievable.

Hitting two spots behind a guy who gets on base 45 percent of the time makes it quite believable.
   13. TDF, FCL Posted: September 26, 2017 at 04:01 PM (#5539440)
Mighty Scooter is only 3 off the Reds rbi lead. That's almost unbelievable.

Hitting two spots behind a guy who gets on base 45 percent of the time makes it quite believable.
Two spots? Tonight will be the 10th time since 9/9 he's hit clean-up!
   14. Wahoo Sam Posted: September 26, 2017 at 04:04 PM (#5539441)
Well, yes he was recently moved to cleanup.

Anyway, I need to apologize to you. I looked it up (thanks BB-R), and his RBI % is 21 percent. That's very good. League-leading type good. Most years the average is about 14-16 percent. The best hitters in the league are usually between 20 and 23 percent.

By comparison, Votto has had 390 runners on base in front of him and has driven in 15 percent of them. Gennett has had only 319 and driven in 21 percent.

Hats off to Scooter!
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 26, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5539512)
Barry Lamar Gennett


I smiled at that one.

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