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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-4-2018

Toledo News-Bee, September 4, 1918:

American and National League clubs closed up the wobbly 1918 season on Monday and staged some burlesque games in several cities.

Detroit twice defeated Chicago, making 16 hits in the opener and 21 off Cicotte in the second. In the latter pastime Bill Donovan, Cobb and Veach took their turn on the rubber.
...
According to its plan Cleveland failed to show for the St. Louis games, and the Browns claimed a double forfeit.

The league disagreed with the Browns - those games don’t appear in the official records of the 1918 season. Red Sox owner Harry Frazee freaked out and called the Indians’ failure to show up “the greatest violation of the league constitution in the history of the league”.

Weirdly, Frazee didn’t seem too bothered by Ty Cobb and Bobby Veach pitching a couple innings each and Tigers catcher Oscar Stanage playing shortstop. Stanage at shortstop wasn’t a Craig Biggio, Russell Martin, or Josh Donaldson moving to the infield thing, or even a Pudge Rodriguez at second base thing. Stanage was 35, not fast or athletic, and had zero appearances at any position other than catcher before 1918. He had no total chances in three innings in his only career appearance anywhere other than C/1B.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:02 AM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:08 AM (#5738157)
Today's Birthday Team has one heck of a defensive middle infield, which is nice because the starting rotation ain't so good.

C: Mike Piazza (59.56 WAR)
1B: Eddie Waitkus (12.9 WAR)
2B: Frank White (34.77 WAR)
3B: Jason Donald (1.37 WAR)
SS: Andrelton Simmons (33.95 WAR)
LF: Adam Duvall (6.22 WAR)
CF: Tillie Walker (25.41 WAR)
RF: Ken Harrelson (6.63 WAR)

SP: Doyle Alexander (34.98 WAR)
SP: Al Grabowski (2.98 WAR)
SP: Sun-Woo Kim (0.76 WAR)
SP: Jim Mooney (0.69 WAR)
SP: Carl Druhot (0.45 WAR)
RP: Pat Neshek (10.97 WAR)
RP: Gordon Maltzberger (6.78 WAR)
RP: Aaron Fultz (2.81 WAR)

Manager: Red Corriden
-4.9 career WAR: Luis Lopez (-4.9 WAR)
Not that one: John Terry
   2. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:45 AM (#5738169)
Not to mention a fairly decent catcher...
   3. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:51 AM (#5738171)
Simmons has 34 WAR and is only 28. Is he going to Ozzie Smith his way into the Hall?
   4. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5738174)
On Sunday afternoon, “fans”in Kansas City were treated to this matchup against the Orioles:

1. Cedric Mullins (S) CF
2. Joey Rickard (R) RF
3. Jonathan Villar (S) SS
4. Trey Mancini (R) 1B
5. Chris Davis (L) DH
6. John Andreoli (R) LF
7. Breyvic Valera (S) 2B
8. Jace Peterson (L) 3B
9. Caleb Joseph (R) C
David Hess, SP

1. Whit Merrifield (R) DH
2. Alex Gordon (L) LF
3. Hunter Dozier (R) 3B
4. Ryan O’Hearn (L) 1B
5. Jorge Bonifacio (R) RF
6. Rosell Herrera (S) 2B
7. Brett Phillips (L) CF
8. Alcides Escobar (R) SS
9. Meibrys Viloria (L) C
Jorge Lopez, SP


—I ask you, Primer Dugout: Was that the WORST GAME IN HISTORY? How far back do we have to go to find a worse collection of players face each other?
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5738176)
It seems like we've had a bunch of strong B-Day teams for the last month. I remember reading that there are a disproportionate number of MLBers born in August; something like twice as many as you'd expect. The theory advanced was that the Little League cut-off date was August 1 for many decades. So, the August and Sept. babies were always the oldest, and most advanced for their level.

Dan, do you have any easily accessible data to test if this is coming through on the B-Day teams?
   6. Batman Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5738177)
The people who attended the Allan Travers game got to see three Hall of Famers player for the A's (and one for even the Tigers), so that game's out.
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5738178)
Chris Davis has had 2 good years* in his career, and has parleyed that into (eventually) $190 million. I was going to ask if anyone has pulled off a similar feat, and then I remembered Ryan Howard, who parleyed 1 good season into the same amount.

*technically, a 3 WAR season is above average and thus probably good. My rules. The cutoff is 4. Davis has had 2, Howard 1.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5738182)
—I ask you, Primer Dugout: Was that the WORST GAME IN HISTORY? How far back do we have to go to find a worse collection of players face each other?


Every year I bet there are worse games than that on the last day of the season.

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2008: Nationals at Phillies

1. Emilio Bonifacio 2B
2. Anderson Hernandez SS
3. Kory Casto 1B
4. Ryan Langerhans RF
5. Alberto Gonzalez 3B
6. Roger Bernadina CF
7. Luke Montz C
8. Pete Orr LF
9. Odalis Perez P

1. So Taguchi LF
2. Eric Bruntlett SS
3. Tadahito Iguchi 2B
4. Geoff Jenkins RF
5. Chris Coste 1B
6. Mike Cervenak 3B
7. Greg Golson CF
8. Lou Marson C
9. Kyle Kendrick P
   9. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5738184)
Hooooly ####. CLEANUP HITTER RYAN LANGERHANS!!!!!
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5738185)
Every year I bet there are worse games than that on the last day of the season.


Cubs-Astros Oct 3, 2012:

Tyler Greene
Jed Lowrie
Matt Dominguez
Justin Maxwell
Carlos Corporan
Brandon Barnes
Brandon Liard
Jimmy Paredes
Edgar Gonzalez


Tony Campana
Adrian Cardenas
Starlin Castro
Bryan LaHair
Dave Sappelt
Josh Vitters
Brett Jackson
Anthony Reckar
Travis Wood


14 of the 16 starting position players had a career WAR < 3.


   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 11:56 AM (#5738217)
14 of the 16 starting position players had a career WAR < 3.


Brandon Laird had negative career WAR in limited MLB play (53 games), but has hit 130 home runs in four seasons in Japan (including this one), and in 2016 led the Pacific League in home runs with 39, and added three more in the Japan Series, where he was named MVP.
   12. Ziggy's screen name Posted: September 04, 2018 at 12:00 PM (#5738221)
Those teams in 8 are so bad, I'm not sure which is which.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 04, 2018 at 12:11 PM (#5738234)
Dave Sappelt
Josh Vitters
Brett Jackson
Heh. The young nucleus of future stars, Jim Hendry style.
   14. BDC Posted: September 04, 2018 at 12:42 PM (#5738257)
I was thinking there might be some dreadful lineups from back in the 1930s, when some of the second-division clubs had 100+ losses annually and no hope at all. But I guess the presence of the reserve clause meant that even those teams typically had a good player or two. The 1935 Braves (38-115) had Wally Berger, who was excellent.

I found this matchup between the Red Sox and the Browns in the second game of a doubleheader late in the 1933 season. Even that is not quite comparable to some of these latter-day disasters. The best player on the field was probably St. Louis outfielder Sam West, who apparently had to leave the game early after being hit by a pitch. The Red Sox' star was Marty McManus, who was over even his modest hill by that point. They also had Billy Werber, who would become a fine player for the Reds, but Werber was having a rough rookie year. The Sox did have a Hall of Fame starter, too, catcher Rick Ferrell. Ferrell is notorious for being one of the worst players in the Hall of Fame, but he was a pretty good player in absolute terms.
   15. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 04, 2018 at 12:49 PM (#5738261)
Those teams in 8 are so bad, I'm not sure which is which.

But for Starlin Castro and Travis Wood, I couldn't have conclusively identified the Cubs in #10. I vaguely remember Tony Campana (little speedy CF). Bryan LaHair. Brett Jackson was another failed top prospect. Vitters was a catcher I think.

Reckar, Cardenas, Sappelt - no clue.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 04, 2018 at 12:57 PM (#5738266)
I think Vitters was a 3B, no? And Sappelt started as a 3B, but was going to move to OF because of Vitters?

EDIT: Vitters was a 3B, although it looks like Sappelt was always an OF. I wonder what happened to Vitters? Pretty good numbers in AA at age 21 and AAA at age 22, called up and posted an OPS+ of 7 (that's not a typo) in 109 PA in 2012. Then only 117 PA in AAA in 2013 (.833 OPS), and a .607 OPS in AAA in 2014 at age 24, then out of baseball.
   17. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 04, 2018 at 01:06 PM (#5738274)
Really, 3B? I wonder who I'm thinking of as a catcher with a similar name. Recker was apparently the catcher in that lineup. He had only 9 career games with the Cubs.

Castro and Wood are the only 2 players in that lineup who spent more than 2 seasons with the Cubs. For 4 of the players, 2012 was their only season in Chicago.

EDIT: It might have been Josh Thole I was thinking of, though I don't know that he ever played for the Cubs.
   18. caspian88 Posted: September 04, 2018 at 02:30 PM (#5738333)
The 1935 Braves did have another outfielder for part of the season who was pretty good, though he only hit .181 for them...

Oh, and a colorful middle infielder.
   19. BDC Posted: September 04, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5738338)
The 1935 Braves did have another outfielder for part of the season who was pretty good, though he only hit .181 for them...


Oh, that guy, yeah. Tore up Forbes Field that year :)
   20. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 02:34 PM (#5738342)
It might have been Josh Thole I was thinking of, though I don't know that he ever played for the Cubs.


He didn't.
   21. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:16 PM (#5738364)
18-

One of my favorite coincidences in baseball: Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, and Willie Mays all began and ended their careers in the same city but with different teams. (Milwaukee Braves/Brewers; Boston Red Sox/Braves; New York Giants/Mets).
   22. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:36 PM (#5738380)
That's not really a coincidence. It makes sense that the Brewers, Boston Braves and Mets would be more interested in those players than any other team, since it would attract local fans who remember their glory days. Especially the first two since they were bad teams in need of publicity and excitement (the 1972-73 Mets were actually competitive).
   23. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:42 PM (#5738388)
(the 1972-73 Mets were actually competitive).


The '73 Mets came within a mishandled pitching rotation of winning the World Series. Thanks, Yogi...
   24. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5738393)
Cy Young spent most of his glory years with Cleveland in the National League and Boston in the American League. His final season, at age 44, was split between Cleveland in the American League, and Boston in the National League.
   25. BDC Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5738404)
There must be a bunch of Giants who finished their careers in Oakland, given that everybody finishes his career in Oakland. Willie McCovey actually did, right? Or am I misremembering.

Orlando Cepeda is the kind of guy who should have finished as a DH for Oakland. He didn't, but looking him up, Cepeda actually did have three at-bats for the 1972 A's, late in his career. The A's apparently traded Denny McLain to get him. I remember none of that. Did that happen, or did some jokester break into B-Ref to gaslight me? :)
   26. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:58 PM (#5738408)
Jimmie Foxx retiring with the Phillies is another one.
   27. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 03:59 PM (#5738409)
McCovey went back to the Giants for four seasons after playing in Oakland.
   28. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5738412)
Nap Lajoie started with Philadelphia in the NL and ended with Philadelphia in the AL.
   29. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 04:13 PM (#5738417)
There must be a bunch of Giants who finished their careers in Oakland,


For some reason, Tito Fuentes and Dave Kingman are the two I thought of...
   30. Batman Posted: September 04, 2018 at 04:19 PM (#5738421)
Gil Hodges finished his career with the Mets after starting with the Brooklyn Dodgers. Duke Snider played for the Mets too, but he ended his career with a season as a Giant.
   31. Rennie's Tenet Posted: September 04, 2018 at 05:53 PM (#5738505)
I'm surprised that none of the Alou brothers ended in Oakland. They all had late stops there.
   32. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:16 PM (#5738514)
Reckar, Cardenas, Sappelt - no clue.


Adrian Cardenas was a 1st roundish (#37) pick of the Phillies. He was a Top 100 prospect at one point and the Phils #1 prospect briefly, when they had very little in the minors. He was the key piece in the Joe Blanton trade.
   33. QLE Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:18 PM (#5738515)
Especially the first two since they were bad teams in need of publicity and excitement


A bit more complicated in the case of the Braves- they had actually had back-to-back winning records when they signed Ruth, but had really poor attendance and a financially-strapped owner. By signing Ruth, Braves management was hoping to solve their financial problems (didn't work- Judge Emil Fuchs was forced to surrender his control of the team in late July), while Yankees management used this as a means to resolve interpersonal issues.
   34. JJ1986 Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:25 PM (#5738521)
I think Cardenas also retired at a pretty young age voluntarily.
   35. Perry Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:37 PM (#5738531)
Those teams in 8 are so bad, I'm not sure which is which.


My reaction too! Then I remembered Brandon Barnes came to the Rockies from the Astros. Plus Castro came up with the Cubs, right?
   36. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 04, 2018 at 07:34 PM (#5738560)
Castro definitely came up with the Cubs. He was the epitome of a fabulous position player homegrown from the Cub system, before we knew that you could grow guys like Bryant and Baez.
   37. AndrewJ Posted: September 04, 2018 at 09:07 PM (#5738619)
Philadelphia A's star Bobby Shantz ended his career with the '64 Phils.

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 28, 2008: Nationals at Phillies

I was at that game. Ryan Howard and Jimmy Rollins took the mike beforehand and promised the fans a world championship. "Yeah, right, whatever," I recall saying to myself.
   38. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: September 04, 2018 at 09:32 PM (#5738639)

34. JJ1986 Posted: September 04, 2018 at 06:25 PM (#5738521)
I think Cardenas also retired at a pretty young age voluntarily.

You’re right. And it’s actually a very nice story, per Wikipedia:

Cárdenas retired from baseball after the 2012 season because he no longer enjoyed the game.[13] He returned to the creative writing and philosophy department at New York University, from which he had been taking part-time classes since 2010.[3] He graduated in 2015,[14] and returned to NYU to obtain a master of fine arts degree.
   39. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:53 PM (#5738706)
Cardenas can clearly write very well, as this article indicates.
   40. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 04, 2018 at 10:57 PM (#5738712)
Diego Segui retired with the Mariners.
   41. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:21 AM (#5738795)
McCovey went back to the Giants for four seasons after playing in Oakland


There must be a whole decade in there somewhere that dropped out of my memory.
   42. Davo and his Moose Tacos Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:13 AM (#5738818)
39 Very cool, thanks.
   43. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5738858)
Yes, thanks for the link. Interesting young man there. You imagine he comes from some wealth, dropping a MLB salary for an MFA. But good for him to know himself.

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