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Tuesday, September 05, 2017

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-5-2017

Seattle Star, September 5, 1917:

[Carl] Mays has speed, a good curve and a change of pace. In addition his underhand delivery is hard for most batsmen to hit because they do not bat against it often enough to get accustomed to it.
[Mays:] “In the minor leagues I was always having arguments with managers who believed the underhand delivery was to be tabooed because it was scarcely ever used.

“That was the best reason, to my notion, for keeping on using it. A batter is less likely to hit the kind of pitching he seldom sees than that he runs across every day.”

It worked for him. Carl Mays won 207 major league games, led the league in shutouts and complete games twice each, and won a total of 53 games in 1920-21.

He was a heck of a pitcher who’s unfairly remembered for one (admittedly hugely historically significant) pitch.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 05, 2017 at 10:06 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 05, 2017 at 10:09 AM (#5526131)
A glut of high-quality second basemen on today's Birthday Team. Nap slides over to shortstop and Max Bishop becomes the first baseman.

C: Rod Barajas (4.8 WAR)
1B: Max Bishop (37.4 WAR)
2B: Bill Mazeroski (36.18 WAR)
3B: Jumbo Davis (5.17 WAR)
SS/Manager: Nap Lajoie (107.39 WAR)
LF: Buddy Hassett (7.62 WAR)
CF: Chris Young (16.9 WAR)
RF: Candy Maldonado (9.94 WAR)

SP: Al Orth (52.72 WAR)
SP: Lefty Leifield (21.49 WAR)
SP: Ed Stein (18.43 WAR)
SP: Ernie White (7.73 WAR)
SP: Gene Bearden (6.43 WAR)
RP: Jeff Brantley (11.57 WAR)

Designated LOOGY: Randy Choate (4.61 WAR)
Not Kid Rock, retired from baseball at age 23 for religious reasons: Rob Richie
Writer: Leonard Shecter
   2. BDC Posted: September 05, 2017 at 10:51 AM (#5526150)
One measure of how strong today's lineup is: Al Orth is only a clearly better hitter than Barajas and Mazeroski. Neither Jumbo Davis nor Buddy Hassett is a household name, but they could hit a little, and the others just get better.

Orth could sometimes be around the median on his actual clubs as a hitter, and played other positions on occasion. His career OPS+ of 92 is sixth among pitchers since 1893 who had 500 or more PAs in their career.
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 05, 2017 at 11:31 AM (#5526170)
I just read the SABR story on Gene Bearden, mainly because I was surprised that his WAR was so low. I never realized that he was basically a one hit wonder (1948). It's a interesting story.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: September 05, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5526188)
That Times clip of Leonard Shecter's obit is horrible. Either the obits had no editor, or it was typed using an archaic version of Auto-Correct...
   5. Batman Posted: September 05, 2017 at 12:08 PM (#5526195)
A lot of the problems with the obit are because of whatever software the Times uses to turn the old paper articles into text, but the original did refer to Shecter as a "Polimeman."
   6. VCar Posted: September 05, 2017 at 02:40 PM (#5526263)
Thanks to Dan showing us, I know my wife turns 20,000 days old tomorrow. This should prove to be an interesting facebook post.

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