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From the BB-Ref Bullpen’s Today in Baseball:

1908: John McFarland of Helena (Arkansas State League) loses his perfect game when the 27th batter refuses to bat, resulting in a 9 - 0 forfeit.

Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: July 29, 2010 at 10:47 AM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 29, 2010 at 11:39 AM (#3602395)
If I am Carlos Gomez I am pretty d*mn nervous. Lorenzo Cain hasn't missed a beat since being promoted to Triple A hitting .328 and good defense. Cain has little power but controls the strike zone, hits line drives, steals bases really well and covers center effectively. Putting Cain at leadoff would allow the Crew to drop Rickie in the lineup, which is where he wants to be anyway, and get Casey McGehee down the batting order to limit the damage he inflicts on Brewer rallies.

Nashville is above .500 so Melvin will likely leave him at Triple A for now so the team there can compete. But it looks promising for 2011.

Now if they can just figure out what in the h*ll has happened to Braun's power........................
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 29, 2010 at 11:52 AM (#3602401)
Just because I want to point out why Tony LaRussa always makes me chuckle:

Cardinal pitchers have given up the second fewest walks in the NL

Cardinal pitchers have only thrown 26 wild pitches which is well below league average. Some thanks to Yadier of course.

Cardinal pitchers have hit the third most batters in the league.

Look, it's ok. It's a tough game and Tony wants his guys to control the insider corner. That's FINE.

But every time The Don huffs and puffs about someone coming inside to Albert or declares that he never, EVER plays the game that way I just roll my eyes.

Spare me Tony. Cris Carpenter could shave a fly's back with his fastball and he has hit 10 batters this season.


So just spare me.......
   3. RMc is the loyal supporter of the MLB event Posted: July 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM (#3602406)
1908: John McFarland of Helena (Arkansas State League) loses his perfect game when the 27th batter refuses to bat, resulting in a 9 - 0 forfeit.

Um, what? Why didn't the ump just call the 27th batter out and award the perfect game?
   4. AndrewJ Posted: July 29, 2010 at 12:08 PM (#3602410)
1908: John McFarland of Helena (Arkansas State League) loses his perfect game when the 27th batter refuses to bat, resulting in a 9 - 0 forfeit.


That's pitching bad luck even Charlie Brown wouldn't endure.
   5. Kurt Posted: July 29, 2010 at 12:10 PM (#3602412)
I have a question for Andy (or JC, or anyone else in DC). My son has a gift exchange at his camp tomorrow, and wanted to buy baseball cards. I haven't bought baseball cards in 30 years, and have no idea where to go. Obviously he's looking for generic packs of cards, not rare Honus Wagner. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.
   6. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2010 at 12:10 PM (#3602413)
Jack Morris would have dragged the 27th batter out of the locker room, nailed his feet in the batters box and then hit him between the numbers with a fastball.
   7. aleskel Posted: July 29, 2010 at 02:28 PM (#3602505)
a "for the record" - since July 1 Mark Teixeira is hitting .368/.472/.724, bringing his season line to .262/.373/.482
   8. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: July 29, 2010 at 02:40 PM (#3602526)
Kurt, Target carries baseball cards. It is interesting, though: I have a sense, thinking back to my own childhood, that you used to see cards more commonly in gum and candy racks at the corner store. As you did comic books. Two hobbies where the casual kid with a dime (or even a buck) got priced out of the market ...
   9. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 02:44 PM (#3602531)
I have a sense, thinking back to my own childhood, that you used to see cards more commonly in gum and candy racks at the corner store. As you did comic books. Two hobbies where the casual kid with a dime (or even a buck) got priced out of the market ...

Because emotionally arrested grown-ups turned the ephemera of their youth into the specialized industries of their adulthood.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3602537)
Kurt, Target carries baseball cards. It is interesting, though: I have a sense, thinking back to my own childhood, that you used to see cards more commonly in gum and candy racks at the corner store. As you did comic books. Two hobbies where the casual kid with a dime (or even a buck) got priced out of the market ...


Absolutely. I don't know how many couch cushions I dug through in pursuit of enough change to buy a pack of cards.

If I'm Selig, I get together with the MLBPA and Topps and impress upon them the need for a set of cheap cards that are readily available to today's me. You won't find many better marketing tools to kids than cards, and baseball has largely pissed it away.
   11. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:02 PM (#3602548)
Trivia question:

Who was the last pitcher to qualify for the ERA title while averaging over 8 IP per game?
   12. aleskel Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3602551)
Who was the last pitcher to qualify for the ERA title while averaging over 8 IP per game?

Carlton? It'll probably be more recent ...
   13. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:05 PM (#3602552)
Not Carlton.

And it has been more recent.
   14. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:08 PM (#3602557)
Ryan?
   15. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:09 PM (#3602560)
If I'm Selig, I get together with the MLBPA and Topps and impress upon them the need for a set of cheap cards that are readily available to today's me. You won't find many better marketing tools to kids than cards, and baseball has largely pissed it away.

is there a card app for iphone?
   16. Bob Dernier Cri Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3602561)
I guessed Curt Schilling in 1998, but he fell a little short (7 2/3 per game).
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:10 PM (#3602563)
Morris?
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:12 PM (#3602565)
I'm guessing a knuckler. Phil Niekro or Charlie Hough.
   19. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3602569)
Not Ryan, Schilling, Moris, Niekro of Hough.

This guy did it 11 years after the 2nd most recent 8IP/G season for an ERA qualifier.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3602573)
Jack was pretty damn close though.
   21. Flynn Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:18 PM (#3602574)
If I'm Selig, I get together with the MLBPA and Topps and impress upon them the need for a set of cheap cards that are readily available to today's me. You won't find many better marketing tools to kids than cards, and baseball has largely pissed it away.


They've already done that. Topps is the exclusive supplier and their set is pretty cheap - something like $2-2.50 for 12 cards? The problem is the distribution. There's only a few places in San Francisco I can think of that sell them that aren't hobby stores. One's an old-school five and dime that could be straight out of 1959, and the other's AT&T Park (where, predictably, they're about $4 a pack).
   22. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:21 PM (#3602576)
I looked it up. If I found the right one, cool. But I'm not sure you'll count the one I found because it was under unusual circumstances.
   23. kthejoker Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:22 PM (#3602580)
Maddux used to eat up innings, I'll say Maddux.
   24. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:22 PM (#3602581)
Topps is the exclusive supplier and their set is pretty cheap - something like $2-2.50 for 12 cards?


I don't think I would call $2-2.50 cheap. I know my baseball-loving kid doesn't have that kind of money to truly collect baseball cards the way I did.
   25. zack Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:24 PM (#3602586)
Livan as a 'spo?
   26. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:24 PM (#3602587)
Maddux used to eat up innings, I'll say Maddux.

1994:
202 IP
25 G

Before him, you have to go back to Guidry & Soto in 1983.
   27. bunyon Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:28 PM (#3602596)
And that is why I say it is an unusual circumstance. If they play out the year, does Maddux finish at 8 per? I doubt it. Still, he was unbelievable in 94 and 95.
   28. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:31 PM (#3602605)


Before him, you have to go back to Guidry & Soto in 1983.


Its okay you see, because Pete was betting ON the Reds to win.
   29. Kurt Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:35 PM (#3602608)
Thanks Bob et al, sounds like Target might be worth a shot.

If I'm Selig, I get together with the MLBPA and Topps and impress upon them the need for a set of cheap cards that are readily available to today's me. You won't find many better marketing tools to kids than cards, and baseball has largely pissed it away.

On the other hand, my kid can go online and look up everyone's stats for free. Not quite the same as physical cards, but I think he has a better deal overall than I did.
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:40 PM (#3602613)
On the other hand, my kid can go online and look up everyone's stats for free. Not quite the same as physical cards, but I think he has a better deal overall than I did.


Is it better to be a baseball fan now than 30 years ago? Sure, no question.

But baseball cards were a wonderful way to get invested in the game, and I think the sport's leadership should recognize the value there and think longterm. But any sacrificing of short-term goals over the long-term health of the sport hasn't exactly been a strength of the Selig regime.
   31. Dag Nabbit apealing [sic] his own check swing Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:47 PM (#3602622)
Before him, you have to go back to Guidry & Soto in 1983.

Its okay you see, because Pete was betting ON the Reds to win.

?

and playing first base for the Phillies at the time. . . . Russ Nixon managed the REds in '83.
   32. Flynn Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:55 PM (#3602633)
$2 isn't that much money. I'm trying to remember what a pack of cards was - I'd say about a buck in 1990, when my dad first started to buy me cards. That's $1.67 today using the CPI. Of course you did get more cards then.

I think I'm still right in saying that distribution is more of a problem than price, and even with the Internet, it's still damn fun looking at baseball cards. I still buy about $20 worth whenever I go home and then open them up and spread them out all over my bed.
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 29, 2010 at 03:58 PM (#3602640)

and playing first base for the Phillies at the time. . . . Russ Nixon managed the REds in '83.


Quit getting your facts get in the way of my snark!


If I'm Selig, I get together with the MLBPA and Topps and impress upon them the need for a set of cheap cards that are readily available to today's me. You won't find many better marketing tools to kids than cards, and baseball has largely pissed it away.


Why can't MLB simply make the cards themselves?
   34. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:10 PM (#3602655)
$2 isn't that much money. I'm trying to remember what a pack of cards was - I'd say about a buck in 1990, when my dad first started to buy me cards. That's $1.67 today using the CPI. Of course you did get more cards then.


But that was still after the first wave of cards as collectibles boom. And as you note, your dad was buying them.

As a kid, late 70s-80s, we spent a quarter for a pack of about 20 cards and 50 cents for a pack of about 50 cards. We were doing the purchasing ourselves. Obviously, those prices aren't coming around again, but something closer to a dollar would be a price range that would attract more kids into the fold, I suspect.

As for distribution, give the convenience stores an item that kids will seek out, and I supsect they'll be happy to put them in a promiment location. A $4 pack probably isn't doing that.

I don't see why Topps couldn't put together a higher-priced, higher-quality collection for the overaged collectors. But making it easy for kids to get hooked on baseball cards (and hopefully, baseball) seems like the very reason cards exist.
   35. The Essex Snead Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:28 PM (#3602682)
As for distribution, give the convenience stores an item that kids will seek out, and I supsect they'll be happy to put them in a promiment location.

Like MafiaWars / FarmVille gift cards!
   36. Davo Malvolio Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:36 PM (#3602691)
Oswalt to the Phillies for JA Happ and prospects.
   37. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:40 PM (#3602696)
37, where did you see that it's official? I see nothing on the teams's sites or by google.
   38. The cushions are crowded for Edmundo Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:43 PM (#3602701)
I started collecting cards between Kindergarten and first grade (1957). I got a nickel allowance, which was enough to buy a pack of 5 cards. So extrapolating my perfect childhood experience, a small pack of cards should be what a 6 year old can afford each week.
   39. VoodooR Posted: July 29, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3602715)
I can recall getting late 80s Donruss packs 3/$1. I think it was a sale/closeout, but I had just started collecting and had ten bucks or so to spend and was in hog heaven with thirty packs to open (I'm sure I got at least a dozen RATED ROOKIES). I imagine they generally retailed for 75 cents or so at that time. I too, think that $3 a pack is too much these days, and especially if you only get 10 or so cards. I say produce a cheap set and sell them 20 per pack for $1.50 or something.
   40. Lujack Posted: July 29, 2010 at 05:46 PM (#3602774)
My first packs were '87 Topps with the wood grain borders for $0.35/pack for 17 cards.
   41. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 29, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3602794)
I have a question for Andy (or JC, or anyone else in DC). My son has a gift exchange at his camp tomorrow, and wanted to buy baseball cards. I haven't bought baseball cards in 30 years, and have no idea where to go. Obviously he's looking for generic packs of cards, not rare Honus Wagner. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks.


Not that I'm in DC, but the drugstore down the road from me still has a glass case where they sell baseball cards, along with Pokemon, etc...
   42. Nasty Nate Posted: July 29, 2010 at 06:09 PM (#3602809)
so Carlos Marmol has 91 K's in 48 innings. yes 91. Has anyone ever K'ed at a rate like that?
   43. Flynn Posted: July 29, 2010 at 06:11 PM (#3602813)
And as you note, your dad was buying them.

Well, I was 5.
   44. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3602840)
Buck Showalter hired by BAL.
   45. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 08:41 PM (#3603016)
Cantu and cash dealt to TEX for Evan Reed and Omar Poveda. The Minayaifcation of the Rangers system continues...
   46. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 29, 2010 at 08:49 PM (#3603026)
Cantu and cash dealt to TEX for Evan Reed and Omar Poveda. The Minayaifcation of the Rangers system continues...


I like Poveda, but the Rangers really need to go for it while they have the chance. Their window is IMO pretty small.

-- MWE
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 08:53 PM (#3603038)
The Minayaifcation of the Rangers system continues...


That's Reminayaification. He used to work for them. He scouted and signed my closest friend from high school back in 89.
   48. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 08:57 PM (#3603042)
Does getting Cantu signify going for it? Hell, pick up Larish off waivers if you want that calibre of player.

SoSH, whose your friend (if I may ask)?
   49. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:02 PM (#3603049)
so Carlos Marmol has 91 K's in 48 innings. yes 91. Has anyone ever K'ed at a rate like that?


Not in so many innings, no. Eric Gagne had 137 strikeouts in 82 1/3 IP in 2003, which is the highest rate ever for anyone with more than 20 innings. Marmol is nearly 2 K/9 better than that.

-- MWE
   50. SoSH U at work Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:05 PM (#3603053)
SoSH, whose your friend (if I may ask)?


His name was (is) Kevin Keon. Walked on at LeMoyne before the school went D-1, but was there when they made the leap (and came one win from a highly improbable trip to Omaha). Went in the teens to the Rangers, played one year for them and a second year in the Tigers system. He was still pitching semipro ball up until a couple years ago.
   51. Mike Emeigh Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3603059)
Does getting Cantu signify going for it? Hell, pick up Larish off waivers if you want that calibre of player.


I'd rather have Cantu, who is adequate at 3B and even 2B if needed. Larish is basically limited to 1B (he's played 3B but is really stretched there).

-- MWE
   52. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:17 PM (#3603069)
I dunno, Mike. I'll grant that Cantu's got a bit more range, but it's mitigated in part or full by his increased error rate. Larish has actually played more third than first for Toledo this year, with a .973 FA ... Cantu's FA is .915 (.923 career), he's played more first than third over the last three years and hasn't played more than a game or two per year at second since 2006. [Larish (unquestionably, I'd think) is a superior defender at first.]
As to their bats, I don't see a big difference there either - you could make an argument for either guy. Add to this that Cantu costs resources, Larish doesn't... it's an easy call for me.

***

Keon: That name rings a bell, but I may have asked you the question before.
   53. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:29 PM (#3603078)
Well, we need the economists to tell us what $.50-$.75 in 1989 is in 2010 dollars. That's what the pack of cheap cards should cost. My guess it probably about $1.25-$1.50. $2 for 10 cards is a lot more expensive than $1.25 for 15 cards.
   54. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:33 PM (#3603084)
$0.88-$1.32
   55. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:39 PM (#3603088)
Well, we need the economists to tell us what $.50-$.75 in 1989 is in 2010 dollars. That's what the pack of cheap cards should cost. My guess it probably about $1.25-$1.50. $2 for 10 cards is a lot more expensive than $1.25 for 15 cards.


$0.88 - $1.32

EDIT: I think I should only owe a partial Coke since I provided the link.
   56. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:42 PM (#3603090)
I knew I should've posted the link!
   57. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: July 29, 2010 at 09:47 PM (#3603092)
Thanks, guys.
   58. Spivey Posted: July 29, 2010 at 10:08 PM (#3603108)
I like Poveda, but the Rangers really need to go for it while they have the chance. Their window is IMO pretty small.

-- MWE


How do you define small? They have Cruz/Kinsler/Hamilton/Young/Andrus each for 2+ seasons after this one. Colby Lewis for 2 seasons (1 plus a club option, really). CJ Wilson for another year. A lot of young, projectable arms in the minors and the majors.

I just don't see it at all - they will need to be pretty clearly outbid by another team in this division for them to not be the favorites for the next few years. The Angels can do it, but it's not like they have the core the Rangers do.
   59. Der_K is feeling better now. Posted: July 30, 2010 at 02:47 AM (#3603240)
Matt Capps to MIN for C Wilson Ramos (!) and P Joe Testa.

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