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When did Richard Justice become Dan Evans’s agent?

Jim Furtado Posted: August 28, 2007 at 01:03 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: August 28, 2007 at 01:21 PM (#2501839)
I'm going to hire somebody to wash my dishes today, and then forbid him from washing any of my plates. Then tomorrow I'll fire him because only 60% of my dishes are washed, and Richard Justice will write an article extolling me for moving decisively to fix my problems.
   2. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 28, 2007 at 01:25 PM (#2501841)
Dan Evans, in his two years with the Dodgers, brought in James Loney, Jonathan Broxton, and Russell Martin in the 2002 draft, and snagged Chad Billingsley and Matt Kemp in 2003. Martin (17th round) and Kemp (6th) were excellent value picks. There are some guys still hanging around the system from those two drafts - Eric Stults, Xavier Paul, Delwyn Young, Zach Hammes, James McDonald, maybe even Greg Miller - who could contribute in the majors at some point. Dan hangs around on SABR's Statistical Analysis mailing list, so he's not exactly turning a blind eye to the sabermetric side of the ledger, either. I always felt his contributions to the Dodgers were undervalued (as I've felt that DePodesta's were overvalued).

-- MWE
   3. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: August 28, 2007 at 02:12 PM (#2501849)
I always felt his contributions to the Dodgers were undervalued (as I've felt that DePodesta's were overvalued).

I'll admit that Evans got screwed in LA, and I felt bad for him at the same I was happy DePo got his shot. But who's overvalued DePodesta's contributions to the Dodgers? Seven guys on Baseball Primer? That seems to pale in comparison to the general thought in the media that he was a miserable failure and crummy human being. (OK, I made that last part up.)
   4. The Ghost of Archi Cianfrocco Posted: August 28, 2007 at 02:46 PM (#2501866)
Those of you who doubted McLane had the guts to show both Purpura and Garner the door badly misread him.


How about those of use who doubted McLane had the guts to let his GM make his own bed and sleep in it?

McLane and Smith said Monday that Purpura had as much independence as any other general manager.


... and you'd expect those two to say anything else?
   5. Shiny Beast Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:34 PM (#2502022)
McLane will have a long list of qualified candidates to choose from. With enough revenue to support a $90 million payroll and a history of winning, the Astros provide one of the majors' plum jobs.

A better than average job? Sure, especially for a first-timer. But a plum job? Not as long as McLane is around, to look over his GM's shoulder, meddle in the baseball side, do deals behind his GM's back.

These people see the Astros at a grassroots level. They saw the decay and had absolutely no confidence in Purpura or the people around him.

I wonder if "the people around him" means Justice was implying no confidence in Paul Gottfried and/or Rickey Bennett, as well.

At any rate, there is a lot of talk that Pam Gardner and the people on the marketing side are having more and more to do with baseball decisions, including this one. I don't know if that is actually true.
   6. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:36 PM (#2502025)
But who's overvalued DePodesta's contributions to the Dodgers? Seven guys on Baseball Primer?


Well, whenever there's a GM opening, there's a chorus of posts pushing DePo for the slot. I can't remember seeing anyone suggest that Evans should get another crack, before this article, even though one could make a really good argument that Evans's acquisitions have had as much (if not more) to do with LA's success than DePodesta's.

-- MWE
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:43 PM (#2502035)
I've always wondered why Dan Evans doesn't get another shot. Baseball hiring and firing is inexplicable to me sometimes. Buddy Bell and Phil Garner get job after job while guys who won like Larry Dierker and Cito Gaston don't get a sniff. The same goes for gm's. DePo deserves another shot with an ownership group that will commit to him, but so does Dan Evans. So does Dan Duquette. Jim Beattie deserves a real shot somewhere. It'll be a shame if being one half of Peter Angelos' frankenstein creation is his only opportunity. Also, Yankee fans, what's up with Bob Watson? Was he just a yes man in the Yankees FO or was he instrumental in bulding that team. And, if the latter, why does his name never come up for an FO job?
   8. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:46 PM (#2502037)
Well, whenever there's a GM opening, there's a chorus of posts pushing DePo for the slot. I can't remember seeing anyone suggest that Evans should get another crack
Evans is working for the M's these days, right? Somehow I'd sort of assumed he wasn't that into another crack at a GM job, since his name is, as you said, never mentioned not only here but anywhere and you'd think if he wanted to keep his name in the loop he'd be out there and doing interviews at least.
   9. AROM Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:49 PM (#2502039)
Its just a portion of people who post on this site. The LA media never fails to take shots at DePodesta. Evans doesn't get a lot of credit for his draft picks, but he doesn't get blamed for anything either. That could be his problem - everyone's got an opinion on DePodesta, but how many of us remembered Dan Evans had the job before him? Without reading Mike's post, I would have drawn a blank.

It really doesn't matter if Brad Penny's ERA is under 3 and Russ Martin has become the best catcher in the National league. The LA mediots still think this team would be 3peat champions if only they had held on to Paul LoDuca.
   10. Billy B Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:50 PM (#2502041)
Do you really think it is simply an oversight that guys like Dan Evans do not get multiple chances? The people who own these clubs have access to far more information regarding candidates successes and failures than the public does, and if a guy drifts away after failing somewhere it is likely that there was more to the failure than we know. It is not as if these people don't know Dan Evans is available.
   11. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: August 28, 2007 at 05:57 PM (#2502052)
The people who own these clubs have access to far more information regarding candidates successes and failures than the public does, and if a guy drifts away after failing somewhere it is likely that there was more to the failure than we know.

Either that, or his personality just clashed with those around him.

Major League Baseball is a very small community, and if a front office guy has trouble getting along with people, word gets around quickly.
   12. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: August 28, 2007 at 06:05 PM (#2502062)
Do you really think it is simply an oversight that guys like Dan Evans do not get multiple chances?

Why not? These organizations are not fallible and there are a lot of pressures exerted on the team by the media by their friends in the business and so on. It could be the case that Dan Evans just doesn't promote himself well. If he had personality conflicts with anyone, it'll be the first I've heard of it. I think throwing our hands up in the air and saying that teams don't hire Dan Evans because they have a good reason not to gives the management of MLB teams way too much credit.
   13. Billy B Posted: August 28, 2007 at 06:08 PM (#2502065)
Didn't the organization that he spent 20 years with (the White Sox) pass Evans over in favor of Williams? Once again, I think some understanding that there are those who know him better than we do might explain his absence.
   14. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: August 28, 2007 at 06:10 PM (#2502066)
Didn't the organization that he spent 20 years with (the White Sox) pass Evans over in favor of Williams?

Yup. It was a surprise to everyone at the time, Evans included.
   15. kthejoker Posted: August 28, 2007 at 08:01 PM (#2502200)
Bob Watson works in the commissioner's office, and I think he likes it that way, as he's never been seriously touted for any GM position in the 21st century.
   16. scareduck Posted: August 28, 2007 at 10:02 PM (#2502314)
He was dismissed after two years in Los Angeles when ownership asked him to make Draconian cuts in their player development system. In those two years, he brought in some of the best scouting and development people in the game.

I would like to see one iota of supporting evidence. From everything I have ever read, this was a way for Frank McCourt to establish himself as the new sheriff in town. Of course he couldn't say that for other reasons...

I liked Evans, but even though it was clear he made significant strides to improve the team in the brief time he was in Los Angeles, at the same time he wasn't in the skipper's chair when the Dodgers finally got to the postseason. Just guessing, but it was more like 75% Evans and 25% DePodesta in 2004.
Evans doesn't get a lot of credit for his draft picks, but he doesn't get blamed for anything either.

Re-signing Nomo = good (for 2003, anyway)
Letting Chan Ho Park go to free agency = good
Trading for/signing Juan Encarnacion and Fred McGriff = bad

In terms of signing players, Evans was about average. Some of his moves paid off. Some of them failed, and in the case of McGriff, catastrophically.
   17. philly Posted: August 28, 2007 at 10:50 PM (#2502345)
He was dismissed after two years in Los Angeles when ownership asked him to make Draconian cuts in their player development system. In those two years, he brought in some of the best scouting and development people in the game.

I would like to see one iota of supporting evidence. From everything I have ever read, this was a way for Frank McCourt to establish himself as the new sheriff in town.


Are you looking for evidence that he brought in good people or that he was dismissed for refusing cuts?

I don't know of the exact hire dates for Evans and Logan White, but both were hired in the fall of 2002. It may very well be that one of Evans first hires was White who is unanimously seen as one of, if not the key, figures in the revitilization of the Dodgers farm system.

I can't find any crossed paths between Evans, mostly a White Sox background, and White, mostly an Orioles background. That doesn't necessarily mean much.

Ironically, there is a common background between White and Evans predecessor with the Dodgers, the aforementioned Sheriff Kevin Malone. Malone was the asst GM in Balt while White was there. It may be that Malone hired White as one of his last decisions.
   18. scareduck Posted: August 29, 2007 at 01:40 AM (#2502875)
Are you looking for evidence that he brought in good people or that he was dismissed for refusing cuts?

That he was dismissed for refusing cuts. This is the first time I'd ever heard of that theory.
I don't know of the exact hire dates for Evans and Logan White, but both were hired in the fall of 2002.

It was actually October 3, 2001. Malone was an Evans hire; the Dodgers' previous scouting director was Ed Creech, who went on to the Pirates (and I think is still there).
   19. scareduck Posted: August 29, 2007 at 02:04 AM (#2503012)
Er, Logan White was an Evans hire. Sheesh.

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