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Tuesday, April 09, 2013

Protesting fans ejected from Marlins Park for ‘creating disturbance’

Flesh Tantrum!

One fan identified himself as Dan Barton, 25, of Fort Lauderdale. He wore a shirt that read: “Marlins baseball – helping other teams get better since 1998” – a reference to the franchise’s first roster purge.

Barton and four or five of his friends showed up on the main concourse above the first base line in the second inning and were approached by two reporters, from The Palm Beach Post and South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

They posed for photos and talked about their anger over Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria. One fan, who did not give his name, would periodically say out loud to fans passing by, “Free the Marlins,’’ which was also written on a sign.

“We’re Marlins fans. We’ve been there since 1993. We’ve been through only two winning seasons,’’ Barton said.

“We’re tired of it. I’m just over it. Free the Marlins,’’ the man with the sign said.

“It’s just sheer selfishness,’’ Barton said.

“Now you have this guy coming in. False promises, false hopes. I’m tired of it.

“We’re tired of the ownership. We’re tired of Jeffrey Loria.’’

...After the game, team president David Samson addressed the incident.

“We got information from the police that they’d run into a couple of fans who were walking around holding signs that were fine. That was not the issue. They were drawing some attention to themselves. Making some noise later in the game, which is not uncommon,’’ Samson said.

“As per standard operating procedure, the police go up, try to tell them to calm down and they did not. Then the police said, ‘Show me ID’ and they did not. And that was it. You have to show ID when asked. So they were ejected.

“We go through games during the course of a season, it is not uncommon to have ejections of people who drink too much, do too much. Overall it is hard to, even for certain people, it is hard to put a negative spin on tonight’s game other than the fact that we did not win and got two hits.’’

Samson said he was told that two fans were ejected from the ballpark. None were arrested.

“They were walking around just trying to create a, there’s a police term for it that I am not familiar with. It has to do with disturbance, creating a disturbance. I don’t exactly know what it means but it is their job to make sure everything is safe for everyone.

“Our security people are consulted. But it’s a pretty simple thing: When police ask for ID and you don’t show it, that’s it. No other questions are asked. You are escorted.’’

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   1. John Northey Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:07 AM (#4408193)
What does that remind me of... show your papers or else... hmm...
   2. Russ Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:20 AM (#4408196)
What does that remind me of... show your papers or else... hmm...


Except that they're not just walking around on the street... it's right there on the back of the ticket (or on the Tickemaster printout) that the team has every right to remove them from the park if they are making a disturbance (although, really they can remove them for pretty much anything), which is pretty much if more than a handful of people complain.

And as far as the ID goes, you can't have a bunch of people walking around drawing attention to themselves that you can't identify later if things get out of hand. Samson is pretty much the anti-Christ, but I don't see what the Marlins have done wrong in this instance.
   3. RollingWave Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:30 AM (#4408200)
Miami, going from having a lot of Cubans to actually being ran like Cuba
   4. Bug Selig Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:50 AM (#4408202)
Asking people for ID because they are causing a disturbance when it doesn't sound like they were causing a disturbance sounds a lot like harrassment, but I'm just a subject - I mean, citizen.
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:23 AM (#4408206)
[2] It's pretty hard to make a call unless we can see the precipitating event. Certainly the clip in the article shows no such disturbance. They werent' blocking people from using the concourse, since there was next to nobody there.
   6. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:55 AM (#4408218)
In other news, there are fans in Marlins Park.
   7. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:09 AM (#4408223)
The problem with the "it's all spelled out on the back of the ticket" argument is that, with the increasing privatization of space, rights disappear.

When Main Street is replaced by malls, for example, the valuable ability to demonstrate and protest in front of crowds decreases substantially. Short of enforcing Constitutional rights on private property, I'd like to see a strong, middle tier of rights become well established, such that we only allow private security to do that which is necessary to clearly protect property and public safety.

We can also invert the argument that "it's their property". True, but it's our, publicly held licensing and permitting process that allows that property to be developed. We should make it a condition of granting you a permit to build a mall or a stadium (especially when you accept vast amounts of public money) that you respect the rights of peaceful assembly, the right against unreasonable search and seizure, the right against being tossed for not showing ID, and so on.

And as far as the ID goes, you can't have a bunch of people walking around drawing attention to themselves that you can't identify later if things get out of hand.


Well, of course you can. "Drawing attention to" oneself isn't a crime, and in principle "preventive ID'ing" shreds at least a couple of important rights.
   8. BochysFingers Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:14 AM (#4408226)
The irony, of course, is that if the protesters were simply left alone, nobody would've noticed.


   9. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:36 AM (#4408230)
Barton and four or five of his friends

When half the crowd is causing a disturbance, you have to do something.
   10. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:46 AM (#4408233)
Except that they're not just walking around on the street... it's right there on the back of the ticket (or on the Tickemaster printout) that the team has every right to remove them from the park if they are making a disturbance (although, really they can remove them for pretty much anything), which is pretty much if more than a handful of people complain.

And as far as the ID goes, you can't have a bunch of people walking around drawing attention to themselves that you can't identify later if things get out of hand. Samson is pretty much the anti-Christ, but I don't see what the Marlins have done wrong in this instance.


"Corporations are getting better and better at seducing us into thinking the way they think -- of profits as the telos and responsibility as something to be enshrined in symbol and evaded in reality."

--DFW
   11. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:46 AM (#4408236)
“We’re Marlins fans. We’ve been there since 1993. We’ve been through only two winning seasons,’’ Barton said.


I totally get how pissed/disgusted the fans must be with the Marlin's ownership but don't say stupid #### if you want people to empathize with you. The Marlins have won the WS twice and had 6 winning seasons. It's not like they are the Pirates.
   12. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:55 AM (#4408239)
Overall it is hard to, even for certain people, it is hard to put a negative spin on tonight’s game other than the fact that we did not win and got two hits.

You didn't come close to selling out opening day. And this is the biggest crowd you will have all year.

That wasn't hard at all.
   13. T.J. Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:00 AM (#4408241)
It's our, publicly held licensing and permitting process that allows that property to be developed.


I agree with your general argument about the loss of freedoms. This point, however, has no merit. Licensing and permitting requirements have been created by the government for safety purposes and, honestly, for revenue enhancement. Property can be developed without such requirements, and has been for most of human history. When you force someone to do something, it's disingenuous to then argue that that same mandatory process entitles you to force them to do something more.
   14. John Northey Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:02 AM (#4408242)
I'll be... they actually have had 6 winning seasons. 3 of those are in the 'just' category with 83/83/84 wins and the 2 WS years were 91/92 wins which doesn't get you to the playoffs in some divisions. One could argue they meant to say 2 playoff appearances, although that beats a few teams (the Jays for example).

So for opening day the Marlins are down 2k fans. A Monday this year, a Wednesday last year (weird one game series). Their next series was a weekend with 95k+ over 3 games vs Houston, then 3 vs Chicago with 24/25/23k coming to 2 weeknight and a weekday game. Over 30k per game for the next 4 game series. In fact, they didn't drop under 20k for a game until September 7th vs Milwaukee and that was the only sub 20k game all year. Why do I suspect they'll go sub-20 a few more times this year?
   15. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:05 AM (#4408244)
I'll be... they actually have had 6 winning seasons. 3 of those are in the 'just' category with 83/83/84 wins and the 2 WS years were 91/92 wins which doesn't get you to the playoffs in some divisions. One could argue they meant to say 2 playoff appearances, although that beats a few teams (the Jays for example).


One could also argue that by virtue of their 2 WS wins they are tied for 2nd as the most successful organization in since 1993.
   16. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:22 AM (#4408250)
91/92 wins which doesn't get you to the playoffs in some divisions.

It didn't in the marlins division either. They were the wild card.
   17. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:24 AM (#4408252)
The excerpt doesn't exactly make it sound like these guys were causing any kind of disturbance. I tend to be skeptical in these kind of situations that the "victim" was really being as innocent as he makes himself out. Maybe he was and if that's the case then yeah, the Marlins are in the wrong here. Based on the outfits and the signs that they show in the article I'm a bit doubtful that these guys sat quietly and didn't interfere with other fans. You don't go to that level of making shirts and signs ("F Jeff", creative) and then sit silently and pleasantly.
   18. Rusty Priske Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:07 AM (#4408292)
If they were actually causing a disturbance, then they can be thrown out.

Being thrown out for not showing I.D., however, is a real problem. You should not be required to show I.D. unless you are operating a motor vehicle or are being charged with something.
   19. spike Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:18 AM (#4408301)
The Marlins are definitely leading by example in the "not creating a disturbance" department.
   20. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4408314)
Overall it is hard to, even for certain people, it is hard to put a negative spin on tonight’s game other than the fact that we did not win and got two hits.’


Yeah, other than getting eviscerated by Paul Maholm the whole evening went swimmingly.
   21. Dale Sams Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4408338)
And that was it. You have to show ID when asked


"Whewwwww good thing we escaped Castro's oppressive regime eh, mano?"

edit: Also, does it actually say on the ticket, "Bring I.D. to every game?"
   22. DanO Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:24 AM (#4408383)
I thought this was America, maaaan! I thought this was America!
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:36 AM (#4408396)
edit: Also, does it actually say on the ticket, "Bring I.D. to every game?"

Doesn't tickets usually say that they're only valid with a current ID? Or is that only in regimented Sweden? Man, we ought to go on a crusade, the world has no chance against our orderliness.
   24. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:41 AM (#4408404)
Doesn't tickets usually say that they're only valid with a current ID?

I don't think this is possible since kids don't have ID's. I don't actually know, though, as I NEVER read the fine print. AND I'll sign anything!
   25. Swedish Chef Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4408407)
I don't think this is possible since kids don't have ID's. I don't actually know, though, as I NEVER read the fine print. AND I'll sign anything!

Oh, kids most likely have IDs in Sweden, and in case they have guardians with IDs...

What are you doing here, shouldn't you be at a Herbalife trading suspension party or something?
   26. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4408410)
What are you doing here, shouldn't you be at a Herbalife trading suspension party or something?

I'll celebrate when the stock is at zero! The news is that their auditor quit because one of the partners was giving out insider information. I'm not sure how much that should affect their stock price.

and in case they have guardians with IDs...

My brothers and I used to go to games alone. Do kids still do this?
   27. Swedish Chef Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:55 AM (#4408421)
My brothers and I used to go to games alone. Do kids still do this?

Ah, you can pay at the gate, cash there means that you get in with just a patdown at Swedish soccer games. Not that security did any good last night, Djurgården's game against Mjällby in the top league was abandoned after a Mjällby player was hit in the head by a pear after they scored.
   28. Swedish Chef Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:57 AM (#4408425)
I'm not sure how much that should affect their stock price.

Nah, guess you can always spin the auditor quitting. Did they quit all affected companies?
   29. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4408430)
Nah, guess you can always spin the auditor quitting. Did they quit all affected companies?

Yes. Another company was involved but it's not Herbalife so no one cares, I guess, since none of the articles I've read will mention what the second company is.
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:06 PM (#4408434)
For the record, it is Skechers, not that anyone cares.
   31. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:10 PM (#4408440)
For the record, it is Skechers, not that anyone cares.

Very sketchy...
   32. Famous Original Joe C Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:12 PM (#4408441)
"Whewwwww good thing we escaped Castro's oppressive regime eh, mano?"


Why is this guy calling his friend "Hand"?
   33. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:21 PM (#4408453)
Why is this guy calling his friend "Hand"?

Robert Baratheon?
   34. Dale Sams Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:35 PM (#4408469)
Ah, you can pay at the gate, cash there means that you get in with just a patdown at Swedish soccer games. Not that security did any good last night, Djurgården's game against Mjällby in the top league was abandoned after a Mjällby player was hit in the head by a pear after they scored.


Ahh..Swedish soccer players. Many a game of CM did I win by raiding the Swedish youth teams. And they didn't need work permits!
   35. SteveM. Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:36 PM (#4408471)
Why is this guy calling his friend "Hand"?

Robert Baratheon?


If there is one thing I have learned from reading the books, is that it always ends badly for the Hand. And that Dorthraki women show off lots of breasts.
   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:45 PM (#4408482)
Being thrown out for not showing I.D., however, is a real problem. You should not be required to show I.D. unless you are operating a motor vehicle or are being charged with something.

Apparently, you can actually fly domestically w/o ID. Some reporter tested it. You're subjected to all the enhanced security features (wanding, pat down, bag search), but apparently they can't actually stop you.
   37. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:48 PM (#4408485)
If there is one thing I have learned from reading the books, is that it always ends badly for the Hand. And that Dorthraki women show off lots of breasts.

Ach! No spoilers!
   38. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:00 PM (#4408494)
And that Dorthraki women show off lots of breasts.


I was disappointed that Dany didn't dress in Qartheen style in the show.
   39. McCoy Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:09 PM (#4408509)
It is only two episodes in but it seems they have toned down the raunch so far this season.
   40. McCoy Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4408511)
Don't really see why they deviated from the books as far as Cat/Snow go and having her think her kids are alive.

I understand why they have someone supposedly helping Theon but it is an unwelcome deviation.
   41. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:38 PM (#4408541)
Apparently, you can actually fly domestically w/o ID. Some reporter tested it. You're subjected to all the enhanced security features (wanding, pat down, bag search), but apparently they can't actually stop you.

I can confirm from personal experience that this is true. Two things I learned that night:
1. The day after your driver's license expires, it is no longer valid ID, as far as TSA is concerned.
2. "Line" "agents" either don't know, or don't tell you right away, that you can just do the extra security. So if you forget or whatever, ask for a supervisor immediately. Saves time.
   42. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:47 PM (#4408552)
1. The day after your driver's license expires, it is no longer valid ID, as far as TSA is concerned.


Yeah, that's just absurd. It's used for identification purposes only. But it's worse than that. My license is from 1995, and Florida allows one to renew by mail. I have a sticker on the back that shows it's valid, but since the front says it expired 12 years ago, they won't accept it.
   43. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:05 PM (#4408616)
I understand why they have someone supposedly helping Theon but it is an unwelcome deviation.


Actually, there's a fan theory behind that that makes sense to me (obviously, it involves spoilers) ...
   44. Randy Jones Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:08 PM (#4408621)

Actually, there's a fan theory behind that that makes sense to me (obviously, it involves spoilers) ...


The first three books are 10+ years old. Statute of limitations on spoilers ran out a long time ago.
   45. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4408634)
Not really, plenty of people watching the show have never picked up the books (which is why, for example, The Onion AV Club has separate Newbies and Experts reviews).

In this case, the theory is a spoiler for both ...
   46. Randy Jones Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:19 PM (#4408639)
That's their fault for not reading. #### em. The show is good, certainly entertaining, but the changes they have made suck and they had to cut out far too much.
   47. Joe Kehoskie Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4408645)
Yeah, that's just absurd. It's used for identification purposes only. But it's worse than that. My license is from 1995, and Florida allows one to renew by mail. I have a sticker on the back that shows it's valid, but since the front says it expired 12 years ago, they won't accept it.

If you renew your license by mail, Florida sends you a sticker instead of a new license?
   48. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:27 PM (#4408648)
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS:













My assumption was that the guy "helping" Theon is either Roose Bolton or one of Roose's minions. Just to #### with Theon.
   49. BDC Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4408660)
My assumption was that the guy "helping" Theon is either Roose Bolton or one of Roose's minions

And that's why the Marlins threw him out of the ballpark?
   50. McCoy Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:35 PM (#4408663)
I figure that it probably really is a minion of Theon's sister since you can't disgard the actors for numerous seasons. You have to give them stuff to do.
   51. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:51 PM (#4408677)
If you renew your license by mail, Florida sends you a sticker instead of a new license?


yes. I've done it twice, but apparently they don't anymore, so in a couple of months I'm going to have to head down to the DMV for the first time in 18 years.
   52. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: April 09, 2013 at 04:08 PM (#4408692)
1. The day after your driver's license expires, it is no longer valid ID, as far as TSA is concerned.

Yeah, that's just absurd. It's used for identification purposes only.


I assume this is because under many/most circumstances that means there are now two of them out there. In other words an expired license is a 'fake ID.' Back in my day that's pretty much what a 'fake ID' was, if you had one - and most of us did - an expired or soon-to-be expired license that belonged to an older buddy, older brother, maybe buddy's older brother that looked sort of like you.
   53. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:42 PM (#4408837)
Djurgården's game against Mjällby in the top league was abandoned after a Mjällby player was hit in the head by a pear after they scored.

This may be the most awesome sentence ever written.
   54. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4408851)
truly magnificent sentence !!
a pear ? so what happened ? did he drown ?
   55. AJMcCringleberry Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4408868)
yes. I've done it twice, but apparently they don't anymore, so in a couple of months I'm going to have to head down to the DMV for the first time in 18 years.

I renewed twice and they sent me a new DL. Unfortunately I had to go to the DMV last year to get a new one, I was hoping to keep the picture of me from when I was 16 forever (though I guess that would pretty useless as ID).
   56. DJS and the Infinite Sadness Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:05 PM (#4408900)

Yeah, that's just absurd. It's used for identification purposes only. But it's worse than that. My license is from 1995, and Florida allows one to renew by mail. I have a sticker on the back that shows it's valid, but since the front says it expired 12 years ago, they won't accept it.


I find that incredibly annoying. I always keep my passport handy because I have a tendency to renew my license late. First time I did that, I protested "it's not my identity that expired" to no avail, but luckily since I was heading to an international flight anyway, I did already have my passport handy.
   57. SoSH U at work Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4409031)
Yeah, that's just absurd. It's used for identification purposes only. But it's worse than that. My license is from 1995, and Florida allows one to renew by mail. I have a sticker on the back that shows it's valid, but since the front says it expired 12 years ago, they won't accept it.


Well, I think it would be foolish to not use ID that's recently expired, but I can understand why some agency looking at an ID would want something more current than a 17-year-old photo.

   58. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:53 PM (#4409197)
Well, I think it would be foolish to not use ID that's recently expired, but I can understand why some agency looking at an ID would want something more current than a 17-year-old photo.


It's a valid, current state issued ID.
   59. Walt Davis Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:06 PM (#4409336)
Bringing the dueling threads together ...

Game of Thrones was good in the beginning ...


Also ... Create runs not disturbances!
   60. Walt Davis Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:09 PM (#4409340)
And don't ever move to Australia! To do damn near anything here (like buy a mobile phone!) you have to show "100 points of ID". A drivers license is 40 points of ID. A passport is 40 points. Keep having your bills snail mailed to you because they can help with ID.
   61. rlc Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:11 PM (#4409347)
It's a valid, current state issued ID.


Since you believe that all agencies should be as incompetent as the Florida DMV, you must also believe that all Jim Rice's peers belong in the Hall of Fame, right?
   62. SoSH U at work Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:22 PM (#4409361)
It's a valid, current state issued ID.


But it seems the point of the photo ID is to make sure that you are who you claim to be. If the photo doesn't look much like you, because it's 17 years old, then I can see why some agencies would require something more current.
   63. Dale Sams Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:29 AM (#4409405)
It's a valid, current state issued ID.


Dude, when I lived in Miami for a while, I didn't have a driver's license, but I did have a valid, CURRENT, state ID from a different state and the bank my employer used refused to cash my check unless I had a Florida ID. 14 years later and I'm still mad.
   64. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: April 10, 2013 at 02:03 AM (#4409476)
Dude, when I lived in Miami for a while, I didn't have a driver's license, but I did have a valid, CURRENT, state ID from a different state and the bank my employer used refused to cash my check unless I had a Florida ID. 14 years later and I'm still mad.


When I was in Las Vegas recently, I was trying to buy some DayQuil. The cashier at Target asked for my license, and I handed her my CA license. She swiped it but it wasn't taking -- I guess the mag stripe has worn out or something. She asked, "do you have another one?" Apparently she expected me to be carrying around TWO licenses, or something.
   65. Walt Davis Posted: April 10, 2013 at 03:46 AM (#4409493)
Meh, I've got two passports and two drivers licenses (3 countries total). Everybody should.
   66. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 10:58 AM (#4409670)
Meh, I've got two passports and two drivers licenses (3 countries total). Everybody should.


I got three passports, a couple of visas,
You don't even know my real name.
   67. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 11:11 AM (#4409691)
I just hope the protesters don't decide to use FEMEN's tactics (SFW, but not safe for good taste).
   68. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 11:53 AM (#4409751)
The problem with the "it's all spelled out on the back of the ticket" argument is that, with the increasing privatization of space, rights disappear.


In other words: If we don't stop it, we will effectively be unable to practice the liberty of free speech.

Our tinfoil hat-speak of ten years ago is now our reality.
   69. Rusty Priske Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM (#4409792)
Hold on... you need to show identification to buy DayQuil?
   70. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:37 PM (#4409820)

Hold on... you need to show identification to buy DayQuil?


It can be used to make Meth. You are only allowed to buy a limited amount.
   71. Ron J2 Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:40 PM (#4409824)
#69 It used to contain pseudoephedrine (still does up here in Canada). I suspect they simply didn't change procedures at the pharmacy he was shopping at when the active ingredient changed.

It's part of the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act (actual name) -- subsequently moved into the Patriot Act. PITA to buy meds in the US that have pseudoephedrine as the active ingredient.
   72. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4409830)
PITA to buy meds in the US that have pseudoephedrine as the active ingredient.

You have a low threshold for PITA. :) You take the card to the pharmacist, they ask a question or two as a kind of screening technique, at least the time I bought some.
   73. Dan The Mediocre Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4409843)
Not a single joke about how Dan Barton must have hit a home run for the Marlins? Really?
   74. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: April 10, 2013 at 01:17 PM (#4409876)
Dude, when I lived in Miami for a while, I didn't have a driver's license, but I did have a valid, CURRENT, state ID from a different state and the bank my employer used refused to cash my check unless I had a Florida ID. 14 years later and I'm still mad.


When I was in the Air Force I once went to a game in Oakland, and I couldn't buy beer with my military ID, had to a CA ID. This at a time when there were over a dozen major military installations in and around the Bay area.
   75. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 02:17 PM (#4409959)
When I was in the Air Force I once went to a game in Oakland, and I couldn't buy beer with my military ID, had to a CA ID. This at a time when there were over a dozen major military installations in and around the Bay area.


Some states (Maine was one, not sure if it still applies) have the right to refuse alcohol sales to those with out of state id's.
   76. Ron J2 Posted: April 10, 2013 at 02:23 PM (#4409965)
#72 Just reporting the complaints from my American kinfolk. I wouldn't know.

It is worth noting that the police seem to spend a lot of time monitoring pseudoephedrine purchases and that kind of attention classifies as a PITA to me.
   77. just plain joe Posted: April 10, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4409987)
It can be used to make Meth. You are only allowed to buy a limited amount.


From what I understand coffee filters and flashlight batteries are key ingredients in making meth but you can buy all of those you want. In Indiana it is easier to buy firearms than cold medicine; if you buy a gun from a private party there is no record keeping involved at all, but to buy pseudoephedrine you have to have valid, local ID, and your purchase gets recorded in a state-wide database.
   78. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4409990)
In Indiana it is easier to buy firearms than cold medicine; if you buy a gun from a private party there is no record keeping involved at all, but to buy pseudoephedrine you have to have valid, local ID, and your purchase gets recorded in a state-wide database.

You've got no Constitutional right to cold medicine, hippie.

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