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Tuesday, August 05, 2014

Pujols teaches Puig lesson with baserunning

Albert Pujols insisted that he was just playing within the confines of the game, because the Angels’ lead was only five and the Dodgers’ high-powered offense would still get to bat a couple more times.

In the process, though, the Angels’ veteran first baseman might have taught the young, eccentric Yasiel Puig a valuable lesson.

That lesson: Never forget about the runner on base, no matter who he is and where he’s stationed.

A good time was had by all.

kthejoker Posted: August 05, 2014 at 11:23 AM | 35 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:19 PM (#4764809)
A good time was had by all.

Yep...that's the best part. Nobody woofing about being shown up or wanting to fight. (Though the week's still young.)
   2. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:24 PM (#4764819)
Too late. Apparently it's 'a thing' now on MLB radio with Dodger (yup) fans calling in saying they'd like to see Puig get one in the ear.
   3. A triple short of the cycle Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4764830)
I liked the tag-up alot, not so much the mocking. As an A's fan, I can comfortably dislike both guys.
   4. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4764834)
As a Dodger fan watching this game (yes, as opposed to Dodger games, Angels games are still televised), I didn't have a problem with anything that went on. Puig rifled one in to first off his back foot and almost got Aybar, then did the Mutombo finger wag. After that, the Angels dugout was kind of hollering at him, and then Albert did his thing and there was a brief interaction between him and Puig from second base to CF. Seemed pretty harmless and playful, like most things Puig does. I don't think anyone should have a problem with any of it.
   5. Batman Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4764860)
When Kirk Gibson finds out about this, he'll have somebody find McCutchen and throw a baseball at him.
   6. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4764870)
Anybody. With half a working brain cell, including Mattingly, should look at this and say, "I guess we'll just have to live with his 167 OPS+"
   7. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4764908)
Puig after the game:

"Why would that bother me?" Puig said of the play. "He was doing a great job. I've done the same thing."


He was woolgathering, as Vin Scully put it, and Pujols absolutely did the right thing.

Also, funny how quickly Dodgers fans forget stuff like this that only Puig and a few other players can pull off (in this case scoring from second on a fielder's choice): http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xhXsxt5d--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/bauv03ypuwl1e4zm0bzl.gif
   8. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4764918)
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:13 PM (#4764921)
Anybody. With half a working brain cell, including Mattingly, should look at this and say, "I guess we'll just have to live with his 167 OPS+"


Actually, Mattingly should simply pull Yasiel aside and say, "hey, get your head out of your ass," and be done with it. He doesn't need to go to the press about it. He doesn't need to belabor the point. But you don't ignore it as a manager either. The idea that because a guy can hit means that stupid, avoidable mistakes can't be addressed is one I can't support.

   10. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:17 PM (#4764927)
he was just playing within the confines of the game, because the Angels’ lead was only five and the Dodgers’ high-powered offense would still get to bat a couple more times
Good lord I am so sick of this being a "thing."
   11. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4764930)
It was great to watch this. Scully was marvelous during the entire thing.
   12. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4764934)
Actually, Mattingly should simply pull Yasiel aside and say, "hey, get your head out of your ass," and be done with it. He doesn't need to go to the press about it. He doesn't need to belabor the point. But you don't ignore it as a manager either. The idea that because a guy can hit means that stupid, avoidable mistakes can't be addressed is one I can't support.


If the Dodgers have the new Manny Ramirez - except with defensive skills - that's not a bad thing. Sure, Mattingly should try and fix it. But if it doesn't get fixed... Manny won two rings.
   13. Srul Itza Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4764945)
I'm not sure how much the wool gathering mattered. He didn't seem to take that long between the catch and the throw in, and Pujols was in there pretty easy.

Did Albert really wait until it was clear that Puig was not paying attention and then run? That would be a hell of a quick reaction time to seeing it and taking off.

How may outfielders, on a play like that, grab the ball and fire it in as quickly as possible, because they are concerned about a guy on first tagging up?

Or am I completely off base here?
   14. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4764946)
If the Dodgers have the new Manny Ramirez - except with defensive skills - that's not a bad thing. Sure, Mattingly should try and fix it. But if it doesn't get fixed... Manny won two rings.


That's the entire point. No guarantee it will ever take. But you don't just let it go because Yasiel's got a big stick.

   15. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4764947)
Did Albert really wait until it was clear that Puig was not paying attention and then run? That would be a hell of a quick reaction time to seeing it and taking off.


I'm sure he tagged and started to run as soon as the ball was caught, knowing that woolgathering or not, Puig wasn't going to be able to get him out from there. Having done that, he was in a position to take second when he saw that Puig wasn't paying attention.


How may outfielders, on a play like that, grab the ball and fire it in as quickly as possible, because they are concerned about a guy on first tagging up?


They don't necessarily have to. They just have to be prepared to.

Having said all that, I'd also say this was more attributable to Albert and his instincts than Puig, who wasn't that far lost.
   16. bigglou115 Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4764951)
@9 I don't think anybody is saying to quit trying to teach Puig to be better. But the offense puts it in context. He could never get "fixed" and he's still a good-great player. You try to fix him, if you can't you live with a great bat as a consolation prize. As things to complain endlessly about go, this ones somewhere between insignificant and insulting (insulting to teams that have to put up with real problems like BJ Upton).
   17. Tom (and his broom) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4764954)
Watching Cespedes and now Puig it seems that the achilles heel of players coming from Cuba (directly to the majors anyway) is they are not used to the daily grind of american baseball. They come from a program where games vary widely in importance/visibility so are used to conserving energy for big moments. There are frequent moments, though less frequent as time goes by, where they seem to play at half effort, and then are surprised that people notice or care.
   18. McCoy Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4764958)
I had no idea Starlin Castro and Alfonso Soriano were from Cuba.
   19. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4764961)

@9 I don't think anybody is saying to quit trying to teach Puig to be better.


I think that's pretty much what Dale said, so I'm going to disagree. The rest of what you wrote isn't anything different than what I've said. You address it with him, then let it go.

   20. Ron J2 Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4764973)
Primey for #5.
   21. eddieot Posted: August 05, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4764980)
It was great to watch this. Scully was marvelous during the entire thing.

Duh.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4765009)
If he really wanted to teach Puig a lesson, he should have used J. Walter Weatherman.
   23. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2014 at 04:14 PM (#4765012)
I think that's pretty much what Dale said, so I'm going to disagree


Not at all. I meant it in contrast to the "Disgracing Baseball/handwringing" that goes on every time Puig has a mental lapse.

I meant it as an answer to the slobbering press whenever they ask a stupid question about Puig. I don't even think Mattingly has to say something to Puig. By the grimacing Puig was doing, he knows he ###### up. He wasn't laughing it off like Manny would do.
   24. Davo Dozier Posted: August 05, 2014 at 04:20 PM (#4765022)
Did Albert really wait until it was clear that Puig was not paying attention and then run? That would be a hell of a quick reaction time to seeing it and taking off.
The ball is hit to left center, so Pujols is looking right at him the whole way. I would imagine considering the score and the inning and the baserunner, Pujols had a hunch that it wouldn't even cross Puig's mind that the runner would try to advance.
   25. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 05, 2014 at 04:33 PM (#4765037)
Must C!

This is a really long video, showing the Aybar play and the Pujols play twice, with each announcing team. But it shows that it was all done in good fun and everyone was enjoying baseball.
   26. eddieot Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:06 PM (#4765074)
That is an awesome piece of video and Puig's smirk at the end sums it up. You can't not love that and even Puig appreciated Pujols' play, judging by the repressed grin. Can we tie Kirk Gibson down, Clockwork Orange-style, and make him watch that over and over?
   27. filihok Posted: August 05, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4765083)
I much prefer teaching someone as lesson in this way, performance on the field, than by the 5-year-old-temper-tantrum-method, hurling an object in anger.
   28. pthomas Posted: August 05, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4765126)
In the first inning Puig launched a throw on one of the doubles to the wall that landed past the pitcher's mound and was picked up by Gonzalez. Missed the cutoff man, second base, everything. I wonder if the Dodgers now back up the back up. The issue with Puig is you don't know what you are going to get. Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

I really enjoyed watching the Angels players laughing on the dugout rail after Pujols picked his pocket.
   29. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: August 05, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4765137)
Now Pweeg has to steal home or something !
   30. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4765144)
That's the entire point. No guarantee it will ever take. But you don't just let it go because Yasiel's got a big stick.


Of course you do. Or should. There's no sense getting all amped up about this stuff when the player is producing for you in spades. This is small beer, even though the media obsesses over it.

As to the unwritten rules... I'd think Pujols is the one who should draw Brian McCann's ire, not for taking the base (which was a solid baseball play, duh) but for mocking him later -- not that anyone should care. They're just having fun.

Has Puig ever thrown at another player? Because that's what people should be getting worked up about, not this other stuff.

I do disagree as to the notion that Pujols was going to be safe regardless. Puig nonchalanted it, as many CFs would do, and it is only for that reason that Pujols made it to second.

   31. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 05, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4765147)
The issue with Puig is you don't know what you are going to get. Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?



Huh? Sure you do. He's a 160 OPS+, 7 WAR player. That's the player they have always gotten.
   32. greenback calls it soccer Posted: August 05, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4765153)
It's been a while since Albert was svelte, but he's simply fat now.
   33. Dale Sams Posted: August 05, 2014 at 08:04 PM (#4765157)
The mocking arrow shooting, the mocking of Puig. I don't mind this Pujols.
   34. Walt Davis Posted: August 05, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4765170)
Let me try to put Ray in more human terms. :-)

Would you ride David Ortiz about his weight, crappy baserunning, poor defense ... and at what point would you give up and just accept the great bat?

At what point do you stop working with Alfonso Soriano to keep him from swinging at pitches a foot outside? At what point do you stop concerning yourself with Ichiro's low walk rate? At what point do you decide that it's OK if Buehrle's velocity isn't great and he doesn't strike many guys out or that Randy Johnson (or whoever) ends up in lousy fielding position? At what point do you accept that Dennis Rodman may not have many offensive skills?

I'm not suggesting we're at that point with Puig yet but you should (likely) never find yourself making a big deal out of his faults either.

I will never understand why folks get so upset about minor mental errors -- the same sorts of mistakes we make all the time -- but seem happy to accept other players' much more harmful limitations. It can't just be because Puig's errors are (supposedly) easy to correct -- so are Ortiz's (or were). It can't just be because Puig's faults are (supposedly) a sign of lack of discipline -- so are Ortiz's. And not picking on Ortiz ... feel free to sub in other limited but still awesome players like McGwire or Sosa or Thome or, hell, Chris Davis (awesomeness still in doubt).

Not thinking too deeply about it but I doubt there are even 5 players you'd rather have on your team over the next 5 years. At the end of the day, that's what really matters.
   35. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 05, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4765201)
Of course you do. Or should. There's no sense getting all amped up about this stuff when the player is producing for you in spades. This is small beer, even though the media obsesses over it.


And I said you don't make a big deal about it. But you missed that, because, well, that's what you do.

This was a silly mistake. It may very well be correctable (it may not be, time will tell on that). You don't just let mistakes go because the guy's really good. That's ####### stupid.

At some point in the future you may realize that these types of little errors are simply part of the Puig package. He certainly wouldn't be the first player like that. If so, you act accordingly.

But good players can get better, just like shitty ones. A good manager will try to help both improve.

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