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[OT] Q4 NFL Thread

So as what not to annoy the people in the “no, no, the fact that we exploit our players and refuse to cut them in on the cash except for dirty booster money makes us amateur and pristine!” thread.

Mike Vick was injured in the posting of this thread.

Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 01:08 PM | 2939 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gamingboy Posted: November 17, 2011 at 02:16 PM (#3995509)
Well, the Bills has once again crushed my premature optimism, and no doubt will find some way to crush my soul over the coming weeks.
   2. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:00 PM (#3995526)
I approve of things that crush other people's souls.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:03 PM (#3995527)
Jets vs. Broncos tonight has a lot of interesting things going for it, primarily Tebow-related things. Since Tebow took over the Denver offense, the team is 3-1, but that includes two wins over bad teams in which the offense still wasn't very impressive, and the loss was a complete disaster at home vs. the Lions, the only really defense they've faced over that stretch. The win over the Raiders was a legitimately good day for the offense, though.

The Broncos have an advantage in that the Jets had a very short week (and they even played Sunday night, not Sunday afternoon) in which to face an offense unlike any they've faced this year. I expect Tebow to pass against them even less than he did against the Chieves last Sunday - in the first half, at least. It's an open question what he'll do in the second half, when the Broncos are likely to be down something like 17-3. My guess is he throws three passes in the first half, and 15 in the second half, and the Jets roll 27-10.
   4. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:11 PM (#3995530)
As I said in the college thread, I expect Darrell Revis to score more points than Tim Tebow.
   5. JJ1986 Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:26 PM (#3995539)
I don't know who will win, but I expect it to be close. I'll bet the Brocnos put some decent drives together, but can't get into the end zone. Something like 10-6 Jets in the first half. The Jets offense can win the game for them, but they'll need to stick the ball on the ground and pound it. If Sanchez ends up turning the ball over two or three times, the Broncos should keep it close enough to exploit that.
   6. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:47 PM (#3995557)
I approve of things that crush other people's souls.


I am a Redskins fan so, you know, enjoy that.
   7. zack Posted: November 17, 2011 at 03:58 PM (#3995564)
Well, the Bills has once again crushed my premature optimism, and no doubt will find some way to crush my soul over the coming weeks.


I think they were an 7 win team that should win 9-10 because of their hot start, but, you know, they're the Bills. It's how we do.

The last 2 weeks were a bad matchup followed by a bad game, I don't think this is exposing them as a mirage. They will struggle mightly against good defenses, because their only defense is ball possession, and when they can't keep the ball they can't keep the other team from scoring. Fortunately, other than the Jets again, there isn't a whole lot of D in the rest of their schedule.
   8. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:00 PM (#3995565)
Discussions about the Broncos' current veer option offense probably belong more in the college thread.
   9. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:06 PM (#3995571)
Discussions about the Broncos' current veer option offense probably belong more in the college thread.


Uh, no. The discussions about the Bronco's read option is about it's viability in the NFL. We already know it works at a high level in college.
   10. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:16 PM (#3995579)
It's not viable in the NFL if a team is aspiring to win a championship. It has no prayer of succeeding with any regularity against good, fast defenses.
   11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:21 PM (#3995583)
backasswardness:

the Ravens wins have come against teams that are a combined 24-17 against everyone else, and their losses against teams that are 8-16 vs everyone else
   12. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:23 PM (#3995585)
One would think that the discussion of an offense being run in the current season of the NFL by an NFL franchise playing NFL games against other NFL teams would probably belong in the thread about the NFL.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:25 PM (#3995590)
For a number of reasons, Tebow and the Broncos running wild on the Jets tonight would make me very, very happy. In the abstract anyway, since I doubt I'll watch any of it.
   14. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 04:41 PM (#3995609)
the Ravens wins have come against teams that are a combined 24-17 against everyone else, and their losses against teams that are 8-16 vs everyone else


They're the anti-paper tiger. Scissor mouse?
   15. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:18 PM (#3995639)
For a number of reasons, Tebow and the Broncos running wild on the Jets tonight would make me very, very happy. In the abstract anyway, since I doubt I'll watch any of it.


Nothing that makes Tim Tebow happy is a good thing.
   16. booond Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:29 PM (#3995651)
Nothing that makes Tim Tebow happy is a good thing.


I'm torn over the greater good for humanity, which is to see Tim Tebow go down in flames vs. my want for more offenses to grab a footprint in the NFL landscape vs. my hatred of the Jets.
   17. puck Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:32 PM (#3995660)
As I said in the college thread, I expect Darrell Revis to score more points than Tim Tebow.


Do mean by a pick-6 or two? Doesn't Revis cover receivers very closely?
   18. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:34 PM (#3995664)
I'd be surprised if Tebow throws more than two passes in Revis' general direction.
   19. booond Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:38 PM (#3995666)
I'd be surprised if Tebow throws more than two passes in Revis' general direction.


That's assuming Tebow has any idea where Revis is.
   20. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3995668)
I'd be surprised if Tebow throws more than two passes in Revis' general direction.


POSIT: The Jets shut down the Broncos veer attack and hold them to field goals at best in the first half.
POSIT: The Jets take a 10 point or more lead into halftime.
POSIT: Tim Tebow has to throw the ball in the second half.

ASSUMPTION: Tim Tebow's decision making and accuracy as a pocket passer makes Mike Vick look talented.

CONCLUSION: The only TD passes Tebow will throw will be to one of the Jets cornerbacks.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:39 PM (#3995670)
Nothing that makes Tim Tebow happy is a good thing.


To the contrary, if a happy Tim Tebow makes you unhappy, that's another reason to look forward to it.
   22. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3995671)
For a number of reasons, Tebow and the Broncos running wild on the Jets tonight would make me very, very happy.

They'd better hope that McGahee is at (or close to) 100%, otherwise there's basically zero chance of that happening. If he can't go, they won't score more than 6 or 7 points tonight.
   23. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:41 PM (#3995674)
I'd be surprised if Tebow throws more than two passes in Revis' general direction.


This. Revis isn't going to outscore Tebow, unless Sam wants to proclaim that Revis will recover a fumble and run it back. Tebow rarely throws interceptions because he rarely throws the ball.

Sam could be right if Tebow gets hurt on one of the many, many hits he takes before scoring a TD and then Brady Quinn or Kyle Orton come in and throw him a pick 6. Which is probably more likely to happen.
   24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:42 PM (#3995676)
That's assuming Tebow has any idea where Revis is.

even if Tebow knew EXACTLY where Revis is, he couldn't hit him
   25. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:43 PM (#3995678)
That's assuming Tebow has any idea where Revis is.


He'll be covering a player that catches balls thrown to him in an offense that doesn't throw the ball. Revis should have a quiet night.
   26. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 05:48 PM (#3995681)
Revis said he's going to be bored, asleep.
   27. JJ1986 Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:07 PM (#3995696)
POSIT: The Jets shut down the Broncos veer attack and hold them to field goals at best in the first half.
POSIT: The Jets take a 10 point or more lead into halftime.
POSIT: Tim Tebow has to throw the ball in the second half.


I think the Raiders were up by 10 at the half. That didn't work out for them.
   28. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:14 PM (#3995701)
The only question that really matters here is whether I should start Tebow at my flex spot (in our league, there is a flex slot in the starting lineup that can come from any position), with the other options being Beanie Wells, Lance Ball, DeSean Jackson or the Ravens' D.
   29. Famous Original Joe C Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:18 PM (#3995704)
I think the Raiders were up by 10 at the half. That didn't work out for them.

Heck, Miami was up 15 with 5 minutes to play.
   30. Gamingboy Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:21 PM (#3995707)
The thing with the Bills is that, like, if you'd told me this would be their record at this point at the beginning of the season, I would hug you. But because of the hot start, it feels, like so many other Bills seasons, like a slow motion car accident.

I mean, yeah, there are still plenty of ways that they might be able to sneak into the playoffs if they get their act together, but the fact is is that with all the injuries the Bills' lack of depth has been exposed, especially on the O-line. And I highly doubt that they'll be able to beat the Jets in the Meadowlands, and the only way I can see them beating the Pats in Foxboro would be if the Patriots had already clinched everything and were sitting everybody (and, in the past at least, that isn't something that the Hooded Enemy has done that much of).
   31. J. Sosa Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3995713)
Revis scoring more than Tebow was a joke right Sam? As others have said, Tebow doesn't throw much, and is fond of calling his own number inside the red zone. He's got 7 TDs vs one interception and I'd be shocked if he threw anywhere near Revis.

As for Tebow's happiness, opening hospitals in the Phillippines makes him happy, so you can add that to the list of bad things.
   32. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3995717)
As for Tebow's happiness, opening hospitals in the Phillippines makes him happy, so you can add that to the list of bad things.


Where he then goes and uses his god-warranted amateur physician skills to slice the foreskins off of little boys' wee wees. Color me less than impressed.
   33. The District Attorney Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:42 PM (#3995727)
Where he then goes and uses his god-warranted amateur physician skills to slice the foreskins off of little boys' wee wees.
That's one way to combat the Hooded Enemy.
   34. J. Sosa Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:44 PM (#3995728)
I was going to edit my comment to preempt any circumcision comments, but it appears I was not fast enough.

Yes Sam, I'm sure a 30 bed hospital will only be used for circumcisions and will serve no tangible benefit to people living in poverty.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: November 17, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3995729)
I was going to edit my comment to preempt any circumcision comments, but it appears I was not fast enough.

Yes Sam, I'm sure a 30 bed hospital will only be used for circumcisions and will serve no tangible benefit to people living in poverty.


Don't bother J. To Sam and other Tebow bashers, the only reason he went to the Phillippines was to pursue his semi-Sanduskian desires. That he, in all likelihood, simply did what the physician in charge asked him to do while the doc was performing a procedure that the overwhelming majority of male Americans have had performed on them is no defense to the genital mutilation shriekers.
   36. bunyon Posted: November 17, 2011 at 07:13 PM (#3995747)
Nothing that makes Tim Tebow happy is a good thing.

So the verdict is still out on sex?
   37. booond Posted: November 17, 2011 at 07:16 PM (#3995750)
But because of the hot start, it feels, like so many other Bills seasons, like a slow motion car accident.


Bills are too thin to withstand numerous injuries which occur to almost every team. But the biggest injury was Stevie Johnson groin issue. He hasn't been the same player since. Without him they have no consistent receiving threat and are limited on offense which exposes the limitations on defense.

It's a step forward but they need to continue developing to compete in 2012.
   38. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 08:30 PM (#3995878)
Nothing that makes Tim Tebow happy is a good thing.


Got it. In a league filled with serial abusers of women--not to mention a league that just this week saw a player convicted of vehicular manslaughter re-sign with the Redskins--clearly the outspoken Christian who builds third-world hospitals is the greatest monster around.
   39. steagles Posted: November 17, 2011 at 08:35 PM (#3995883)
Got it. In a league filled with serial abusers of women--not to mention a league that just this week saw a player convicted of vehicular manslaughter re-sign with the Redskins--clearly the outspoken Christian who builds third-world hospitals is the greatest monster around.
well, traveling the world for the purpose of mutilating children's penises would seem to be a fairly strong point against him.
   40. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 17, 2011 at 08:36 PM (#3995886)
Got it. In a league filled with serial abusers of women--not to mention a league that just this week saw a player convicted of vehicular manslaughter re-sign with the Redskins--clearly the outspoken Christian who builds third-world hospitals is the greatest monster around.



I find these kind of comments kind of funny based on the latest things that happened at Penn State. For the longest time, Joe Paterno was considered everything that was right in college football...and now look at him.


I am wondering if the Lions can can into the playoffs or not. Their schedule sets them up to be 10-6 or so. They got to win this Sunday against Carolina though.
   41. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 08:42 PM (#3995896)
I find these kind of comments kind of funny based on the latest things that happened at Penn State. For the longest time, Joe Paterno was considered everything that was right in college football...and now look at him.


I'm not holding Tebow up as the symbol of all that's right in the NFL. I'm saying he's objectively better than Donte Stallworth.
   42. Mirabelli Dictu (Chris McClinch) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 08:54 PM (#3995923)
well, traveling the world for the purpose of mutilating children's penises would seem to be a fairly strong point against him.


Interesting. Most news reports seem to paint this single-purpose circumcision clinic as though it were a 30-bed children's hospital.
   43. Adam M Posted: November 17, 2011 at 09:16 PM (#3995956)
I am a Bears fan, but I really hope the Packers go undefeated and win the Super Bowl so I never again have to hear about the '72 Dolphins and their annual champagne-popping jackassery.
   44. booond Posted: November 17, 2011 at 09:18 PM (#3995959)
I am wondering if the Lions can can into the playoffs or not. Their schedule sets them up to be 10-6 or so. They got to win this Sunday against Carolina though.


10-6 looks like the optimistic view. They could easily be 8-8. They need to do a better job against the run and Stafford needs to retain the ball.
   45. Dan The Mediocre Posted: November 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM (#3996054)
I am a Bears fan, but I really hope the Packers go undefeated and win the Super Bowl so I never again have to hear about the '72 Dolphins and their annual champagne-popping jackassery.


That is my second choice of outcome behind the Bears winning the Super Bowl.
   46. SoSH U at work Posted: November 17, 2011 at 10:45 PM (#3996058)
That is my second choice of outcome behind the Bears winning the Super Bowl.


Those guys really are insufferable. They were almost reason enough to root for the cheating Patriots in 07.
   47. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3996071)
FWIW it is getting very windy in Denver. Could affect play calling.

For the record I want Tebow to do great. I just don't think he will. I would love to see Mark Sanchez get out dueled by Tebow. Granted, that's not a high bar to jump over.
   48. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:10 PM (#3996078)
FWIW it is getting very windy in Denver. Could affect play calling.


Is it? I'm about 15 miles from the stadium, and it's dead calm here.

Too bad the Colts have a bye this weekend. If and when they do win a game, I hope someone does a story on the 2008 Lions popping the corks on their champagne.
   49. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3996089)
Those guys really are insufferable. They were almost reason enough to root for the cheating Patriots in 07.

Do those guys really get together and pop champagne? I thought I had read somewhere that that wasn't really the case, but now I can't find it.

If so, then yes, I would call this the second choice of outcome behind a Bears Super Bowl victory.
   50. DA Baracus Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3996095)
Is it? I'm about 15 miles from the stadium, and it's dead calm here.


That's what they're saying at the stadium. Of course that could change hours from now.
   51. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3996099)
I hate the '72 Dolphins more than any other NFL team of all time and I wasn't even born.
   52. J. Sosa Posted: November 17, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3996101)
re: 43,45,46

I was rooting for the cheating Patriots just so I wouldn't have to hear from that Dolphins team any more.

re: 47

Thanks for the QB comparison a few pages back on the other thread DA, I caught up reading that thread this afternoon. I will confess to not knowing how to evaluate QB running. It is likely that I am over rating the value of Tebow's running game compared to immobile QB's like the ones I mentioned (Leaf, Smith, Boller, Dilfer). If you are still reading this thread, to what extent (if any) does being an effective runner mitigate some of the other issues for quarterbacks like Tebow and Vick? I have always liked mobile quarterbacks, Young may have been my favorite but he was also a good passer and was not limited in the way that Vick and Tebow are.
   53. Nasty Nate Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3996113)
cheating Patriots


I'd never seen this used to refer to the '07 Patriots before the 2 times in this thread, is this a thing now? I thought it was pretty much agreed by everyone that all of the verified filming-of-things-that-were-in-the-wide-open-in-front-of-70,000-people and the rumored (and much more heinous if true) filming-of-private-practices happened prior to that season.
   54. bunyon Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3996114)
You guys are looking at this all wrong. Sure, the 72 Dolphins are insufferable. But they'll mostly be dead soon. If the 07 Pats or 11 Pack or whoever goes undefeated, we'll have 40 or 50 more years of crap to suffer through.
   55. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3996122)
I'd never seen this used to refer to the '07 Patriots before the 2 times in this thread, is this a thing now?


I didn't realize it stopped being a thing. And while all the filming probably took place before, when we found out about the cheating it was unsatisfying to retroactively label previous Pats teams as cheaters, so we had to make due with the one in front of us.

Plus I really dislike the original Hooded Enemy.
   56. booond Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3996123)
I'd never seen this used to refer to the '07 Patriots before the 2 times in this thread, is this a thing now? I thought it was pretty much agreed by everyone that all of the verified filming-of-things-that-were-in-the-wide-open-in-front-of-70,000-people and the rumored (and much more heinous if true) filming-of-private-practices happened prior to that season.


They did.
   57. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3996125)
I've already given up on the Jets season 2 or 3 times this year, but if they lose to the Broncos I'll really have to give up on them.
   58. Nasty Nate Posted: November 18, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3996135)
They did.


who did what?
   59. Crosseyed and Painless Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3996152)
10-6 looks like the optimistic view. They could easily be 8-8. They need to do a better job against the run and Stafford needs to retain the ball.


Lions remaining schedule - Panthers, Packers, Vikings, Chargers, @Oakland, @New Orleans, @GB

Getting four out of that is tough, but not impossible. I think if I had to make a guess I think they'd go 9-7.
   60. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:46 AM (#3996168)
to what extent (if any) does being an effective runner mitigate some of the other issues for quarterbacks like Tebow and Vick?


Depends on the issues, but not much. Running isn't going to help you physically throw the ball or help you read a defense any better. But it will open up space for your RBs, which opens up some things in the passing games. Chris Johnson gets 2000 yards in what was then Vince Young's most productive season, LeSean McCoy has greatly benefited from Vick as did the RBs in Atlanta. Denver's yards per carry has increased by over a full yard in the last two games. So it can help your team win, but help you actual be a passer, that's a separate thing.
   61. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:58 AM (#3996173)
In 1999, Rex Ryan wrote "Coaching the 46 Defense." In it is a chapter on stopping the option. Shortly we'll find out how good it is.
   62. booond Posted: November 18, 2011 at 01:59 AM (#3996176)
Lions remaining schedule - Panthers, Packers, Vikings, Chargers, @Oakland, @New Orleans, @GB


I see the Packers and Saints as losses with only the Vikings as a sure win. Panthers and Raiders are likely wins with Chargers a coin flip. They need to go 3-1 on this home stretch and not leave any serious work for those last three on the road. Without a second weapon after Megatron, this offense is in trouble.
   63. Eddo Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:19 AM (#3996183)
I see the Packers and Saints as losses with only the Vikings as a sure win. Panthers and Raiders are likely wins with Chargers a coin flip. They need to go 3-1 on this home stretch and not leave any serious work for those last three on the road. Without a second weapon after Megatron, this offense is in trouble.

I think the Chargers in Detroit is a much more likely win than the Raiders in Oakland.

I think both the Bears and Lions wind up with 10 wins and make the playoffs as the two NFC Wild Cards.
   64. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:33 AM (#3996192)
Ugh, Mike Mayock, who is really good as a color guy and the premiere draft guru, just said the Broncos run "the exact same offense as Georgia Tech."
   65. Conor Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:40 AM (#3996195)
I haven't watched every snap of the Broncos the last week or so, but they seem to do a lot of conventional running plays. There is some option, but I expected more based on what I was hearing.
   66. JJ1986 Posted: November 18, 2011 at 02:41 AM (#3996196)
Dumervill is a really forgotten player. Nice sack.
   67. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:25 AM (#3996207)
I figure this is the most off-topic thread on the whole site so I will put it here. I don't watch Parks and Rec at all but I noticed today that Amy Poehler has a photo of Madeleine Albright on her desk during the confessional things. Is that there in every episode? Great reference to BTF, regardless.
   68. AJMcCringleberry Posted: November 18, 2011 at 03:28 AM (#3996212)
Is that there in every episode?

Yes.

Joe McKnight now the featured back, this isn't going well.
   69. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:12 AM (#3996215)
I love low scoring games. A 10-7 game can be more exciting than a 35-31 game. This game however, is terrible.
   70. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:20 AM (#3996219)
Ugh, Mike Mayock, who is really good as a color guy and the premiere draft guru, just said the Broncos run "the exact same offense as Georgia Tech."


That is an incredible misstatement of fact.
   71. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:22 AM (#3996220)
Apparently my halftime griping about clock management didn't go through:

The Jets wasted a timeout to avoid a delay of game that would've turned a 21-yard field goal into a 26-yard field goal, then sat on two timeouts while the clock ran before Denver's punt late in the half, resulting in their running out of time just across midfield.
   72. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:24 AM (#3996222)
That is an incredible misstatement of fact.


Yup. To come from a guy like Mayock is just shocking.

So about that short week that limited the Jets ability to practice for the Broncos option... Denver had 35 rushing yards in the 1st half.
   73. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:49 AM (#3996227)
If I were the Jets, I'd be looking around for Emerson Boozer's phone number.
   74. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:49 AM (#3996228)
I can see the bears winning 12, after this week only the packers pose a real threat (play AFC west sea gb and min the rest of the way)
   75. zack Posted: November 18, 2011 at 04:54 AM (#3996230)
I know i'm the 90,000,000th person to point this out, but Tebow's release is just hideous. It hurts to watch. Reminds me kind of Ubaldo Jiminez, actually, 'cept much clunkier.

I am going to be pissed if the Broncos win on a 60-yard field goal and I have to listen to how godly Tebow is in the 2nd quarter for a whole week, after it was the defense and special teams that saved the Broncos. Which means it will definitely happen now.
   76. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:01 AM (#3996235)
So far revis has as many points as tebow
   77. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:15 AM (#3996239)
Tuning into the game on ESPN.com, I've got the Jets feed and announcers.

So far, they've been ripping the Jets' offense, more or less non-stop, but they've been utterly incredulous about Tebow and the Broncos' attack.

They've been practically in awe of how bad he's looked, at least to listen to them ...
   78. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:17 AM (#3996241)
Quote, "We could play for a week and the Broncos' offense couldn't get into position to score ..."

"They're only down three, but it feels like they're 200 yards from being in the game ..."
   79. SouthSideRyan Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:23 AM (#3996243)
Quote, "We could play for a week and the Broncos' offense couldn't get into position to score ..."


Oops
   80. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:26 AM (#3996245)
Oops


Yup.

It's been amusing.
   81. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:28 AM (#3996246)
Darren Rovell, please stick to the business side of football.
   82. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:29 AM (#3996247)
Darrell Revis is going to have to return a kick off for a TD then return an onsides kick for a TD now.

Also, that's a 95 yard drive late in the 4th quarter. Impressive.
   83. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:30 AM (#3996248)
I just popped a Teboner.
   84. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:31 AM (#3996250)
Seems like the Jets defense picked the wrong series to start sniffing glue ...
   85. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:34 AM (#3996252)
That 5-wide formation with Tebow running out of the shotgun was pretty ####### deadly.
   86. Every Inge Counts Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:36 AM (#3996253)
So what is it with these running QBs and their ability to just win at first in the NFL. Michael Vick, Vince Young, and now Tim Tebow, all three had success in college, but where able to win early in the NFL despite not that great passing numbers.


Man I am torn, I hate the Rex Ryan Jets....but I also hate Tim Tebow's Broncos...lose-lose I guess.
   87. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:39 AM (#3996258)
I think that Tebow is just a good every-down back at the NFL level who happens to be able to pass a little.
   88. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:39 AM (#3996259)
Can't wait for everyone in the media to talk about how great Tebow was and completely ignore that Von Miller was the Broncos' best player tonight.
   89. Kurt Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:39 AM (#3996260)
HE'S A WINNER!!!!!!!!!
   90. Mike A Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:42 AM (#3996262)
A player this terrible cannot be this successful.

Tebow is making me reconsider my agnosticism.
   91. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:42 AM (#3996263)
That blitz on the Tebow TD was such a stupid play call. They'd have been better off rushing 3.
   92. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:44 AM (#3996264)
Those are some killer sideburns on Von.
   93. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:45 AM (#3996265)
I think that Tebow is just a good every-down back at the NFL level who happens to be able to pass a little.


I'd say he's a really good football player who the Denver Broncos happen to start at QB. It's fun watching him play when he's on. Unfortunately that's for a small portion of the game.
   94. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:45 AM (#3996266)
Did Tebow throw even once in Revis' direction? The only time I even saw Revis was when he whiffed on tackling Tebow on that final drive.
   95. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:49 AM (#3996268)
It's hard to believe Tebow only ran a 4.72 at the combine - he plays much faster than that. He looks like he's dropped weight since college and I wonder if hes added a bit of speed.
   96. booond Posted: November 18, 2011 at 05:57 AM (#3996272)
Broncos could win the division. The remainder of their schedule isn't too tough - Bears, Patriots are toughest games.
   97. DA Baracus Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:02 AM (#3996273)
Tebow vs Brady. Moist towelette sales in Bristol will up significantly that week.
   98. booond Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:11 AM (#3996276)
If the Broncos make the playoffs is Tebow MVP?
   99. MM1f Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:12 AM (#3996278)
So pissed off right now. Teblow still blows. Grrr.

Broncos are having the good luck of running into teams who happen to be in a funk. And its the Bronco's D winning these games, not Tebow.
   100. stanmvp48 Posted: November 18, 2011 at 06:17 AM (#3996280)
Any thoughts on the field goal on the three yard line?
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