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RAB: Heyman: Hal, Jeter have spoken about the Yankees’ needs at shortstop

Via Jon Heyman: Hal Steinbrenner has spoken to Derek Jeter and explained to him the Yankees will look for a starting shortstop this winter in the wake of his injury-riddled season. The Cap’n has not spoken publicly since signing his new one-year, $12M contract, but Heyman says he understands what the team is doing and is okay with it. I’ve always assumed Derek Jeter will play shortstop for the Yankees until Derek Jeter says it’s time for Derek Jeter to stop playing shortstop for the Yankees, but it sounds like he may wind up spending most of his time at DH in 2014.

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Repoz Posted: November 14, 2013 at 07:34 AM | 37 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JE (Jason) Posted: November 14, 2013 at 07:42 AM (#4599886)
FTA:
The Yankees are said to be “close” to a new deal with Brendan Ryan and have been connected to several other infielders.

This rumor alone will decrease CC Sabathia's 2014 ERA by one-half run.
   2. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 14, 2013 at 09:41 AM (#4599916)
Besides the snark, the single year in the last five that Jeter did not play most of the innings behind Sabathia, his ERA was about a run-and-a-half worse than any other year since CC was a rookie. Has Jeter's wonderfulness incorporated the pitcher's mound as well (and, if the diameter is indeed that great, you can blame A-Rod's 2013 on the lack of intangibles in the Yankee infield too)?
   3. villageidiom Posted: November 14, 2013 at 11:03 AM (#4599990)
Besides the snark, the single year in the last five that Jeter did not play most of the innings behind Sabathia, his ERA was about a run-and-a-half worse than any other year since CC was a rookie.
Lower velocity, more line drives, more fly balls becoming home runs, lower K rate... Yep, that's on Jeter. ;-)
   4. Ray (RDP) Posted: November 14, 2013 at 12:43 PM (#4600119)
To my mind Ryan is the perfect fit for this situation because you can have a two-headed SS with him there with the idea that Jeter plays as much as he can as long as he's able and allowing for rest, and Ryan plays all other times. You can bench Brendan Ryan and not have a team crisis. And Ryan is good enough defensively to justify playing full time.
   5. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 14, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4600120)
No, I'm not trying to assert that Jeter made Sabathia better. I'm saying that it's complete nonsense to try to assert the opposite.
   6. Publius Publicola Posted: November 14, 2013 at 01:49 PM (#4600166)
Ray, what about a team crisis arising from Jeter being pulled for Ryan for late inning defense. Thers a gift basket that keeps on giving for the Jeter critics. I can't see the Yankees tolerating that kind of franchise icon tarnishing.
   7. Bob Tufts Posted: November 14, 2013 at 01:50 PM (#4600167)
The day Jeter leaves his position, will some pitcher please leave the gift basket at shortstop?
   8. catomi01 Posted: November 14, 2013 at 02:45 PM (#4600203)
To my mind Ryan is the perfect fit for this situation because you can have a two-headed SS with him there with the idea that Jeter plays as much as he can as long as he's able and allowing for rest, and Ryan plays all other times. You can bench Brendan Ryan and not have a team crisis. And Ryan is good enough defensively to justify playing full time.


Agree with this 100%

Ray, what about a team crisis arising from Jeter being pulled for Ryan for late inning defense. Thers a gift basket that keeps on giving for the Jeter critics. I can't see the Yankees tolerating that kind of franchise icon tarnishing.


They were using Jeter as a defensive replacement for Nunez as recently as 2012, so I think you're right that this probably doesn't happen....they have come around to the idea that Jeter can't physically hold up playing short every day, but I don't think they've reached the conclusion that he's not a good defensive shortstop yet...or the alternative is they are laying that side up PR-wise so that they don't actually have to replace Jeter for performance reasons, only health.

   9. tfbg9 Posted: November 14, 2013 at 02:47 PM (#4600207)
I'm saying that it's complete nonsense to try to assert the opposite.


Why?
   10. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: November 14, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4600212)
To call #1 an "assertion" is probably pushing it. But if you want to peddle that stuff, you have to bring the data.
   11. SG Posted: November 14, 2013 at 02:51 PM (#4600213)
but I don't think they've reached the conclusion that he's not a good defensive shortstop yet.


I'd be surprised if the Yankees didn't know that Jeter is not a good defensive shortstop at this point. The thing is, Nunez is possibly the worst defensive shortstop in organized baseball. Using Jeter as his defensive replacement is less an affirmation of Jeter than an indictment of Nunez.

It may just be that they still feel that the combination of Jeter's offense and defense is better than whatever else they have in the organization that they can run out there full-time. And they probably are blaming last year's attendance drop at least partially on Jeter being missing for most of the year, ignoring the fact that they put the equivalent of a 79 win team on the field all year.
   12. AROM Posted: November 14, 2013 at 04:18 PM (#4600272)
I'd be surprised if the Yankees didn't know that Jeter is not a good defensive shortstop at this point. The thing is, Nunez is possibly the worst defensive shortstop in organized baseball. Using Jeter as his defensive replacement is less an affirmation of Jeter than an indictment of Nunez.


The purpose of Nunez was to make Jeter look better by comparison. You think he's a bad shortstop? let me show you what bad SS defense really looks like!
   13. AROM Posted: November 14, 2013 at 04:20 PM (#4600273)
Besides the snark, the single year in the last five that Jeter did not play most of the innings behind Sabathia, his ERA was about a run-and-a-half worse than any other year since CC was a rookie.


Here's a question for a Retrosheet user: Compare Sabathia's 2013 ERA when he's got Nunez/Jeter behind him to when he has Nix/Ryan.
   14. Captain Supporter Posted: November 14, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4600283)
The notion that the geniuses who post here know much more than the Yankees do about the defensive abilities of Derek Jeter (or of any other baseball player, actually) is humorous, in a pathetic and self-important sort of way.
   15. Monty Posted: November 14, 2013 at 04:36 PM (#4600285)
The notion that the geniuses who post here know much more than the Yankees do about the defensive abilities of Derek Jeter (or of any other baseball player, actually) is humorous, in a pathetic and self-important sort of way.


You seem fun.
   16. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: November 14, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4600288)
To call #1 an "assertion" is probably pushing it. But if you want to peddle that stuff, you have to bring the data.


Jeter is -38 in fielding runs the last 3 years (2343 innings), that's about .15 runs per 9

Ryan is +53 over 3084 innings, also about .15 runs per game

so if you buy BBREF DWAR, Ryan over Jeter would be worth about .3 runs a game on the defensive side (45-50 runs on defense)

   17. villageidiom Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4600305)
The notion that the geniuses who post here know much more than the Yankees do about the defensive abilities of Derek Jeter (or of any other baseball player, actually) is humorous, in a pathetic and self-important sort of way.
Hal Steinbrenner agrees with the geniuses who post here. You have marvelous timing.

I'd say more, but Hal and we have hurt your feelings enough for one day by speaking frankly about Derek Jeter's SS abilities.
   18. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:05 PM (#4600310)
At this point, using Ryan as a late inning defensive replacement can also be sold as "resting Jeter's aging legs". Spin it positive.
   19. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:07 PM (#4600311)
I'd say more, but Hal and we have hurt your feelings enough for one day by speaking frankly about Derek Jeter's SS abilities.


Can someone please point the poster in question to Baseball Fellatio Factory? Apparently, he's lost his way.
   20. bobm Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4600312)
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/sports/baseball/next-chapter-in-jeters-career-book-publishing.html

On Thursday, he is expected to announce that he will start his own publishing division, Jeter Publishing, a partnership with Simon & Schuster. Saying he had thought a lot about his future while recovering from injuries last season, he portrayed the move as a way to explore a project that combines his interests in business and content.

“I think this sort of sets the blueprint for postcareer,” said Jeter, fresh off a plane from Tampa, Fla., and wearing a loose black blazer and jeans during an interview at his agent’s Midtown office on Wednesday afternoon. “This is a great way to start.”

The publishing imprint will include nonfiction books for adults, like biographies and titles on business and lifestyle; children’s picture books; middle-grade fiction; and books for young children who are just learning to read. Jeter suggested the book enterprise might lead to other ways of presenting content, like films or television.
   21. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4600316)
Jeter is -38 in fielding runs the last 3 years (2343 innings), that's about .15 runs per 9

Ryan is +53 over 3084 innings, also about .15 runs per game

so if you buy BBREF DWAR, Ryan over Jeter would be worth about .3 runs a game on the defensive side (45-50 runs on defense)


Over 32 starts, that comes out to about >9 runs, which (if we applied them all to his starts/innings) would lower CC's ERA this year from 4.78 to 4.37 (a difference of about 0.5).
   22. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:18 PM (#4600317)
I've always dreamed about a career in presenting content.
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4600324)
The publishing imprint will include ... books for young children who are just learning to read.

The Gingerbread Man-Whore
If You Give a Mouse Herpes
Gimpy with a Chance of Groundballs
Oh, the Chances You'll Blow!
Alexander is a Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Teammate
   24. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: November 14, 2013 at 05:47 PM (#4600334)
You're forgetting to account for the influence of Jeter's calm eyes.
   25. jmurph Posted: November 14, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4600346)
The notion that the geniuses who post here know much more about publishing children's picture books than Derek Jeter (or any other baseball player, actually) is humorous, in a pathetic and self-important sort of way.
   26. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: November 14, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4600364)
23 and 25 are both very well done. Especially "Alexander is a Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Teammate."
   27. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: November 14, 2013 at 06:37 PM (#4600368)
Over 32 starts, that comes out to about >9 runs, which (if we applied them all to his starts/innings) would lower CC's ERA this year from 4.78 to 4.37 (a difference of about 0.5).


Doesn't work that way

1: Ryan saves about 0.3 runs per 9 over Jeter, you can't allocate all that 0.3 to the 6-7 innings the starter pitches

2: That 0.3 Runs not 0.3 Earned Runs, so it's more like 0.28 earned runs per 9.

Whats' CC's GB/FB splits? Obviously that could boost/lower the impact of changing your SS on a pitcher's ERA
   28. Johnny Sycophant-Laden Fora Posted: November 14, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4600374)
Looking at Sabathia, his BG/FB/LD rates are very close to league average, one thing is that his FB rates seem to be lowering slightly (even as his HR rate is going up) and his LD rate is inching up (which I assume means he's simply getting hit harder)...

I'd peg Ryan versus Jeter as about a 0.25 EAR shift for Sabathia - of course Sabathia's big problems in 2013 as noted above is:
K rate down
HR rate up
LD rate up

As a result in 2013 he was hit both more often and harder

   29. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: November 14, 2013 at 07:06 PM (#4600380)
The notion that the geniuses who post here know much more than the Yankees do about the defensive abilities of Derek Jeter (or of any other baseball player, actually) is humorous, in a pathetic and self-important sort of way.


Nice troll...err try.
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: November 14, 2013 at 07:11 PM (#4600385)
Alexander is a Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Teammate


Sequel: The Naughtiest Centaur.
   31. Howie Menckel Posted: November 14, 2013 at 08:42 PM (#4600437)

Picture it being late this season, as Jeter struggles through a miserable year. The Yankees ask Jeter to meet with the front office to discuss adjustments to the upcoming postseason roster. They then ask Jeter to look over the list of Yankee players and suggest which ones might be cut to make room for a new acquisition. For each name Jeter mentions, a reason is given as to why that player needed to be kept. Finally, Jeter realizes: the expendable name is his own.

It wouldn't be the first time the Yankees pulled this gem on a future Hall of Fame shortstop of theirs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Rizzuto

   32. The Yankee Clapper Posted: November 14, 2013 at 09:01 PM (#4600450)
Some of the folks here have been trying to bury Jeter since 2008, if not earlier. Maybe this is the year they'll finally be right. Maybe not. Not. Dead. Yet.
   33. Monty Posted: November 14, 2013 at 09:40 PM (#4600471)
Maybe this is the year they'll finally be right. Maybe not. Not. Dead. Yet.


Maybe last year was the year. You don't know for sure yet.
   34. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: November 14, 2013 at 10:00 PM (#4600483)
I would guess the conversation between Hal and Jeter went something like this:
Derek Jeter: Let me play shortstop, HAL.
HAL: I'm sorry, Derek. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Derek Jeter: What's the problem?
HAL: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Derek Jeter: What are you talking about, HAL?
HAL: This Yankees season is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
Derek Jeter: I don't know what you're talking about, HAL.


Alternatively, it might have gone like this:

Hal: I see a good amendment of life in thee, from playing shortstop to DHing.
Jeter: Why, Hal, 'tis my vocation, Hal, 'tis no sin for a man to labour in his vocation.
   35. 'Spos stares out the window, waits for spring Posted: November 14, 2013 at 10:24 PM (#4600498)
I would guess the conversation between Hal and Jeter went something like this:


Damn, I was hoping for: "Open the clubhouse doors, HAL"

Gimpy with a Chance of Groundballs


Perfect.
   36. Random Transaction Generator Posted: November 14, 2013 at 11:17 PM (#4600513)
Doesn't work that way

1: Ryan saves about 0.3 runs per 9 over Jeter, you can't allocate all that 0.3 to the 6-7 innings the starter pitches

2: That 0.3 Runs not 0.3 Earned Runs, so it's more like 0.28 earned runs per 9.


Fair enough (even though I stated in my post "if we applied them all to his starts/innings").

.28*.67*32~=6 ER
That reduces his ERA to 4.52, or a difference of .26
   37. ptodd Posted: November 15, 2013 at 10:39 PM (#4601075)
In the perfect world, Jeter moves to 3B, Ryan plays 2B, and the Yankees go after Drew or Peralta at SS. With the money saved on Cano and Arod, they upgrade at RF (Choo, Beltran), C (Salty, McCann) and DH (say a Napoli who could C and play 1B when needed, or a Cruz).

I think the Yankees will have trouble signing a starting SS unless Jeter comes out and publicly says he would be ok with a move. Nobody wants to replace an icon against his will.

If Jeter is at SS, they will have to dig him a hole so his statue does not topple over, and UZR will have to be prepared to break the negative century mark

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