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This is silly.

Jim Furtado Posted: October 06, 2019 at 06:34 PM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Darren Posted: October 06, 2019 at 08:47 PM (#5887190)
Pedroia has sacrificed his body for Boston’s franchise, and he could offer the club one final gift by clearing the $13.75 million owed to him over each of the next two seasons.


Yes, of course he should! In fact, he's made a lot of money already. He could probably afford to help pay for Mookie's contract.

This is easy!
   2. Jose is an Absurd Time Cube Posted: October 06, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5887198)
◘ Trade David Price, Rafael Devers and Gilberto Jimenez to the Dodgers for SP Dustin May, 3B Justin Turner, INF Gavin Lux and OF Alex Verdugo


I don’t know much (read: anything) about Lux or Verdugo so I don’t know if this is something that would entice the Dodgers but if it means the Sox could keep Mookie and JDM I’d be very intrigued.

I just can’t stress how much I think letting Mookie get away is a catastrophic mistake. I also don’t think they are going to make that mistake. I really believe a lot of this is to soften the blow of letting JDM walk if/when he opts out. Instead of the reaction being “oh #### they lost Martinez those morons” it will be “awesome they get to keep Mookie.”
   3. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: October 06, 2019 at 09:16 PM (#5887200)
From all the ink spilled, you'd think this franchise hasn't won a World Series in 78 years.
   4. Meatwad Posted: October 06, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5887202)
Betts for heyward! Radical as it gets.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: October 06, 2019 at 09:20 PM (#5887203)
Is the Dodger trade suggestion a joke or just delusion?
   6. PreservedFish Posted: October 06, 2019 at 10:28 PM (#5887223)
I don’t know if this is something that would entice the Dodgers


It is not.
   7. Rally Posted: October 07, 2019 at 07:39 AM (#5887268)
Pedroia has sacrificed his body for Boston’s franchise, and he could offer the club one final gift by clearing the $13.75 million owed to him over each of the next two seasons.


Of course he should. He can’t play so why should he get that money? But I think in the name of fairness the billionaire should give Pedroia a gift to reward him for his ROY and MVP seasons of more than a decade ago, produced for a total of 837,000. With interest.
   8. . Posted: October 07, 2019 at 08:05 AM (#5887269)
Pedroia has sacrificed his body for Boston’s franchise, and he could offer the club one final gift by clearing the $13.75 million owed to him over each of the next two seasons.


This is head-splittingly stupid.
   9. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: October 07, 2019 at 08:31 AM (#5887271)
The degree to which the media will carry water for the owners never ceases to amaze.

Edit:

To be fair, the next line on the Pedroia thing is:

The Red Sox — without running afoul of any baseball rules, of course — should explore compensating Pedroia over a longer period of time through some sort of personal-services contract.
If it's possible to *restructure* the final two years in a way that both sides are happy with, won't run afoul of the CBA and actually helps the Sox with the salary cap, then sure.
   10. DJS Thinks Apples and Oranges are Similar Posted: October 07, 2019 at 09:13 AM (#5887277)
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/mlb-union-ban-personal-services-deals



"Both milestones agreements and post-contract personal-services agreements raise issues under the terms of the Basic Agreement," said union special adviser Rick Shapiro, who negotiated the ban with Halem. "After discussions with the commissioner's office, we agreed that they should no longer be permitted as a subject of individual negotiations between players and clubs."

   11. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: October 07, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5887350)
I don’t know much (read: anything) about Lux or Verdugo so I don’t know if this is something that would entice the Dodgers but if it means the Sox could keep Mookie and JDM I’d be very intrigued.

I don't think the Dodgers would trade Turner and Verdugo for Price, Devers, and Jimenez and they certainly would not be interested in including 2 top 10 prospects to boot.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 07, 2019 at 02:08 PM (#5887396)
At $32M for each of the next 3 years, some health issues, and a record that doesn’t match that salary, I don’t think the Red Sox would be able to trade Price - certainly not on the favorable terms TFA suggests. Might be different if Price gets off to a good start next season, but the Red Sox could be contenders if he returns to top form (along with a few others). A “White Flag” trade just to get under the luxury tax threshold is probably costly for not that much return. Getting under the luxury tax threshold should be a multi-year project, and I still haven’t seen any explanation of why the Red Sox ownership paInted themselves into a corner if getting under the threshold in 2020 was important to them.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 07, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5887405)
and I still haven’t seen any explanation of why the Red Sox ownership paInted themselves into a corner if getting under the threshold in 2020 was important to them.

Perhaps this is just the opening bid to temper fan expectations. i.e. they have no intention of slashing to under $208M, but want to back off from the $240M range, and definitely don't want to go higher.

So, they announce they're getting under the 1st threshold, fans develop lwo expectations, and then when they spend $220M, fans are pleasantly surprised.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: October 07, 2019 at 05:43 PM (#5887547)
They couldn't add anything but, assuming they decline Cashner's option, they are already under the threshold. If desparate, they can non-tender Bradley which would reduce it by another $12 M or so. I don't know which comes first, JDM's opt-out decision or the Bradley non-tender decision, but that's another $23 M that might get shaved off the payroll.

And yes, it's not clear you want Price over May in strict baseball-only terms but obviously once Price's contract comes into play, there's no way you'd make that deal straight-up. Meanwhile Turner was very productive and has just one year left under contract. Four years of control over Devers would be nice but not at this price. There's the germ of a trade the Dodgers might be intrested in here but no, they are not giving up 6 years of control over May and Lux and 5 years of control over Verdugo (a 3 WAR player this year) and eat $80 M in salary** for 4 years of Devers.

** Yes, Price is still good enough that he's worth a decent salary, they aren't really "eating" all of the $80 M ... call it $40 M if you want, doesn't change things. Price certainly has trade value but not without the Sox eating (give or take) half his salary.
   15. Darren Posted: October 07, 2019 at 09:12 PM (#5887687)
They couldn't add anything but, assuming they decline Cashner's option, they are already under the threshold.


Not according to Speier's most recent. He says they'd have to decline Martinez to get under.

   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 07, 2019 at 10:13 PM (#5887725)

Not according to Speier's most recent. He says they'd have to decline Martinez to get under.


Which threshold? There are three. $208M, $228M, and $248M. The first two only trigger taxes, the third pushes your first draft pick back 10 spots.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: October 07, 2019 at 11:59 PM (#5887770)
$208 Snapper. They have been saying they want to reset and about cutting $40 M which would put them just under $208.

I'm just going by b-r which of course is relying on estimates for arb awards (Mookie, ERod and Benintendi being the big question marks). They also are listing actual salaries, not lux tax calculations (e.g. JDM costs less in lux tax terms than the $23 he'll be paid). Most importantly, their base salary includes Castillo while lux tax calculations don't. So using those numbers, they're down to $200 once they non-tender Cashner. They've also got easy non-tenders for Wright and Leon which should shave about $6 M off the b-r estimate ... but I wouldn't be surprised if they've under-estimated Betts, ERod and Benintendi.

Still, Speier is probably more accurate than I am.
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 08, 2019 at 09:22 AM (#5887833)
$208 Snapper. They have been saying they want to reset and about cutting $40 M which would put them just under $208.


I can't believe they're actually going to do that. They'll have no chance of competing.

Unless you plan to live consistently right under the last threshold, resetting the tax is peanuts. It's the difference between paying $5M in penalties vs. $10M. Why would the Red Sox punt a season to save $5M?

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