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Thursday, March 07, 2013

Rafael Furcal injury: Cardinals shortstop to have Tommy John surgery

The St. Louis Cardinals have announced that shortstop Rafael Furcal’s elbow injury will require Tommy John surgery to repair a torn ligament, according to Derrick Goold of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Furcal’s expected recovery period is eight months.

The Cardinals were preparing to start the regular season without a healthy Furcal, but based on their current backups it wouldn’t appear they were planning on him missing the entire 2013 campaign.

As recently as this weekend, St. Louis continued to hold out hope—at least publicly—that Furcal’s setback would not sideline him for an extended period of time.

At this point, the Cardinals are left to choose from in-house alternatives Ronny Cedeno and Pete Kozma. Cedeno offers the team more experience, while Kozma has more upside and performed well over a limited stretch last season.

Thanks to Los.

Repoz Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:21 AM | 31 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:27 AM (#4382769)
Knowing the Cardinals this will be Ronny Cedeno's breakout season
   2. RickG Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4382780)
If ever a team needed to trade a corner bat for a shortstop, it's the Cards. They want Matt Adams in the bigs anyway, Taveras is killing the ball, they're already moving Matt Carpenter to 2B, and oh yeah Craig-Holliday-Beltran and Jon Jay...how about an Elvis Andrus trade or something?
   3. catomi01 Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4382794)
How about Eduardo Nunez for...well anyone who can stand in a corner and not make an error every 10 plays.
   4. catomi01 Posted: March 07, 2013 at 10:49 AM (#4382795)
and if they can hit a little bit better than Juan Rivera, that would be nice too.
   5. Eric Ferguson Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4382828)
Elvis Andrus would be the obvious fit, but the Royals fan in me would rather see an Alcides Escobar-for-Oscar Taveras trade.

The Cardinals have gotten by just fine with jobbers at shortstop (see: Furcal, Rafael). If they made a big move to fill that need, it would signal a fundamental shift in their approach to the position.

But, Johnny Mo, seriously: Taveras for Escobar. Do it.
   6. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4382856)
Juan Uribe used to play shortstop. And he knows how to win.
   7. Gamingboy Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:49 AM (#4382858)
But he's not even on the Yankees!
   8. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:24 PM (#4382886)
Taveras for Andrus. Who hangs up first?
   9. PreservedFish Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:29 PM (#4382891)
Is Daniel Descalso incapable of playing shortstop?
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4382901)
Taveras for Andrus. Who hangs up first?


I think the Cardinals hang up
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:44 PM (#4382903)
Taveras for Andrus. Who hangs up first?

Cardinals, quickly. Andrus is going to get expensive soon.

Taveras for Profar is interesting, though.

   12. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:53 PM (#4382909)
Andrus is going to get expensive soon.


Well, only $4.8 and $6.5 in 2013-2014. The bigger issue is that he is a free agent after that (I think).
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 12:57 PM (#4382913)

Well, only $4.8 and $6.5 in 2013-2014. The bigger issue is that he is a free agent after that (I think).

he's going to be expensive have. Cots has $5M and $6.75M and then FA.

You don't give up a top-5 prospect for a very good, but not great, player with only 2 years of control.
   14. SM Posted: March 07, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4382923)
Well, the Royals do
   15. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 07, 2013 at 01:12 PM (#4382935)
I really want to see Profar for Taveras. That would be fascinating.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 01:13 PM (#4382936)
Well, the Royals do

Yeah, well, Dayton Moore is the exception that proves the rule.
   17. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4382937)
I really want to see Profar for Taveras. That would be fascinating.

Seems like a really fair trade, and makes positional sense for both teams.
   18. asinwreck Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4383009)
That inverted W claims another ligament.
   19. greenback has a multilingual iphone Posted: March 07, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4383027)
Is Daniel Descalso incapable of playing shortstop?

No, but he's pretty bad at it. It's weird, because he looks like a decent 2b and he has a great arm, but Descalso looks like Jeter at short. Then again, he probably looks like a decent 2b only because Skip Schumaker was the leading alternative.
   20. jacjacatk Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4383055)
Given what Kozma's done in ST and what he he did last year, are they really going to give the job to Cedeno first? I realize Kozma's essentially never hit in the minors, so it's not likely he's going to repeat any semblance of last year's SSS fluke, but Cedeno's career OPS+ is 71 in 2500 PAs so it's not like he's particularly likely to be any better.
   21. Covfefe Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:14 PM (#4383067)
I really want to see Profar for Taveras. That would be fascinating.

Seems like a really fair trade, and makes positional sense for both teams.


Not to me --

Aren't their bats more or less thought to be equal?

If so - give me the guy that can presumably play a good - or at least acceptable -- SS... I'd almost never deal a blue chipper SS/IF prospect for a blue chipper OF prospect. Maybe if my IF prospect was destined to have to slide over to 1B and the OF prospect was a no-doubt-about-it CF gold glover -- but that doesn't seem the case here.
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4383073)
Aren't their bats more or less thought to be equal?

I don't think so. Taveras just put up a 159 wRC+ in AA. Profar had a 127 in AA. At A, it was 191 vs. 142.

Profar has a great bat for a MI. Taveras has a great bat. Period.
   23. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:26 PM (#4383086)
Maybe if my IF prospect was destined to have to slide over to 1B and the OF prospect was a no-doubt-about-it CF gold glover -- but that doesn't seem the case here.


Another "IF" would be a case like the Rangers in which they have the MI positions covered by good players and have plenty of room for an outfielder.
   24. Walt Davis Posted: March 07, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4383098)
Somebody like Mike Aviles seems more the Cardinals' speed.
   25. Tim D Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:43 PM (#4383192)
Ryan Jackson is better than Kozma or Cedeno or Descalso or.....

The Cardinals have plenty of bats; they don't need a big hitter at SS, just somebody who can play D and not kill them in the #8 hole. Jackson could certainly do that. If they do make a deal I would guess it would be for a superior glove man. They have so much minor league depth I would be shocked if they were to move Taveras, Miller or Rosenthal. They don't need to.
   26. KJOK Posted: March 07, 2013 at 04:58 PM (#4383223)
based on their current backups it wouldn’t appear they were planning on him missing the entire 2013 campaign.

That's a rather nice way of saying the backups totally suck and cannot play everyday.

The problem is the Cardinals have a lot of options - Cedeno, Descalso, Jackson, Garcia - so it may appear they don't need to do anything. But knowing which of those options would actually not be a disaster is hard to tell.

I'm sure if the Rockies will take a package of quantity over quality that Tulowitzki will be wearing birds on the bats soon. The Cardinals have the system depth and the Rockies need some talent.




   27. Nasty Nate Posted: March 07, 2013 at 05:01 PM (#4383229)
they don't need a big hitter at SS, just somebody who can play D and..
Hey! Maybe Jose Igles----
not kill them in the #8 hole.
---oh, never mind.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 07, 2013 at 05:13 PM (#4383244)
Cedeno's career OPS+ is 71 in 2500 PAs so it's not like he's particularly likely to be any better.


That career OPS+ isn't a fair measure of his ability. The bad numbers Cedeno was putting up in 2006 when the Cubs rushed him to the majors before he was ready have very little to do with the player that he is today.

Over the last three years, he's at .254/.301/.370 (85 OPS+) with decent defense. That's a pretty reasonable placeholder, and much better than whatever you're likely to get from Kozma.

Ronny will have occasional (and maddening) lapses of concentration, but he's not a bad player in the broad view, and I don't think the Cards need to make a move here.
   29. KJOK Posted: March 07, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4383300)
The latest from Bernie M.:

Mozeliak indicated that Garcia has moved ahead of Ryan Jackson in what would be the unofficial depth chart at SS. And Garcia is projected to be the starting shortstop at Class AAA Memphis.

   30. cardsfanboy Posted: March 07, 2013 at 08:29 PM (#4383475)
I'm hoping that Kozma is the answer, he's the only one that I think has a chance of putting up a decent bat. Jackson has looked pitiful against major league pitching. Maybe it's nerves or something, but nothing in his approach to batting in the majors inspires me with confidence that he can handle a bat. Yes his minor league numbers are much better than Kozma's but they look like completely different players in the majors so far. Obviously that is not the way to judge them, but as it stands now, there probably isn't many Cardinal fans who have watched the two play that thinks Jackson is the better player.

Of course it's not really that big of a deal, even with a replacement level hitter at short, the Cardinals offense should be in the top three in the league in runs scored. It's whether the pitching can deliver anything worthwhile that this season hinges on.

   31. bigboy1234 Posted: March 07, 2013 at 11:30 PM (#4383627)
With the Orioles having Machado, what would it take to get Hardy?

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